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01/03/2008 11:32 AM  

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Would you like (as in currently) a final 3.5 ddm "RPG" set of minis?  This hypothetical set would come out in conjunction with DDM2.0.  It would contain passable 1.0 skirmish card stats, the figures would be targeted at a 3.5 audience.

Why do I ask?  Just wondering if there is a strong enough of a market for wotc to continue to cater to 2 fronts.  If there were enough interest to justify them releasing a final set (or more) to finish off what they started.  For my own masochistic fantasies.

Look at it this way, it's another poll that can open up discussion until April.  :)

Just keep in mind, you would be voting to purchase a set amongst what they are already releasing - so, it would be instead of or in addition to.

Here's a hypthetical set list that could be used:

6 Rare Huge

  1. Celestial Triceratops                           Âna                                           ÂLG
  2. Huge Green Dragon*                         Âna                                           ÂLE
  3. Huge Silver Dragon                            Âna                                           ÂLG
  4. Hydra*                                              Âna                                           ÂCE
  5. Nalfeshnee                                         Âna                                           ÂCE
  6. Storm Giant*                                     Âmale                                       ÂCG

 

6 Uncommon Huge

  1. Athach                                               Âmale                                       ÂCE
  2. Huge Air Elemental*                          Âna                                           ÂCG/CE
  3. Huge Earth Elemental*                       Âna                                           ÂLG
  4. Huge Water Elemental*                     Âna                                           ÂLE
  5. Tendriculous                                       Âna                                           ÂCG/CE
  6. Zombie Cloud Giant*                          male                                           ÂCE

 

12 Rare Large

  1. Animated Altar                                   Âna                                           ÂLG
  2. Annis Hag                                          Âfemale                                    ÂCE
  3. Celestial Bison                                    Âna                                           ÂLG
  4. Cloaker                                              Âna                                           ÂLE/CE
  5. Elder Xorn                                         Âna                                           ÂLG/LE
  6. Fiendish Large Viper                          Âna                                           ÂCG/CE
  7. Giantess, Fire Duskblade*                  Âfemale                                    ÂLE
  8. Giantess, Frost Cleric*                       Âfemale                                    ÂCE
  9. Giantess, Hill Shaman*                       Âfemale                                    ÂCE
  10. Lamia                                                 Âfemale                                    ÂCE
  11. Myconid, Large                                  Âna                                           ÂLE
  12. Vrock                                                Âna                                           ÂCE

 

12 Rare

  1. Cockatrice                                         Âna                                           ÂN
  2. Doppelganger                                     Âna                                           ÂLE/CE
  3. Dryad*                                              Âna                                           ÂCG
  4. Gray Slaad*                                       Âna                                           ÂCE
  5. Janni                                                   Âfemale                                    ÂCG
  6. Medium Blue Dragon                          Âna                                           ÂLE
  7. Medium Bronze Dragon*                    Âna                                           ÂLG/CG
  8. Medium White Dragon                       Âna                                           ÂCE
  9. Mimic                                                 Âtreasure chest                         ÂN
  10. Mohrg                                                Âna                                           ÂCE
  11. Nymph                                                 female                                     ÂCG
  12. Rust Monster                                      Âna                                           ÂN

 

7 Uncommon Large

  1. Giant, Fire Soldier*                            Âmale                                       ÂLE
  2. Giant, Frost Raider*                           Âmale                                       ÂCE
  3. Giant Skeleton                                    Âna                                           ÂCE
  4. Large Monstrous Centipede                Âna                                           ÂCG/CE
  5. Minotaur Soldier                                 Âmale                                       ÂCE
  6. Ogre Barbarian*                                 Âmale                                       ÂCE
  7. Phase Spider                                      Âna                                           ÂLE/CE

 

17 Uncommon

  1. Aranea                                               Âfemale, gothic humanoid form  ÂCE
  2. Barghest                                             Âna                                           ÂLE
  3. Bearded Devil*                                   Âna                                           ÂLE
  4. Bugbear War Chief                             Âmale                                       ÂCE
  5. Cat Familiar                                        Âna                                           ÂCG
  6. Ghostly Maiden                                  Âfemale, unarmed, townfolk      ÂLG
  7. Goblin Worg Rider                             Âmale                                       ÂLE
  8. Half-Orc Hunter                                 Âfemale                                    ÂCG     Â
  9. Hero, Alhandra Human Paladin           Âfemale                                    ÂLG
  10. Hero, Gimble Gnome Bard                 Âmale                                       ÂCG
  11. Hero, Hennet Human Sorcerer            Âmale                                       ÂCG
  12. Hero, Soveliss Elf Ranger                   Âmale                                       ÂCG
  13. Kruthik, Medium                                Âna                                           ÂLE
  14. Small Air Elemental*                           Âna                                           ÂCG/CE
  15. Small Earth Elemental*                       Âna                                           ÂLG
  16. Small Water Elemental*                      Âna                                           ÂLE
  17. Wraith                                                Âna                                           ÂLE

 

12 Common

  1. Allip                                                   Âna                                           ÂCE
  2. Blink Dog                                           Âna                                           ÂLG
  3. Bugbear Barbarian                              Âfemale                                    ÂCE
  4. Duergar Cleric                                    Âfemale                                    ÂLE
  5. Gnoll Sentry                                       Âmale, pole ax                          ÂCE
  6. Hellhound                                           Âna                                           ÂLE
  7. Lacedon                                             Âna                                           ÂCE
  8. Lizardfolk Savage                               Âna, spear                                ÂCE
  9. Medium Monstrous Centipede            Âna                                           ÂCG/CE
  10. Orc Archer                                         Âmale                                       ÂCE
  11. Small Viper                                        Âna                                           ÂCG/CE
  12. Will O'Wisp                                      Âna                                           ÂCE

 

LG 9-11

CG 9-17

LE 14-17

CE 25-35

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01/03/2008 11:45 AM  
I voted HELL YES as i love the DDM 1.0 and what i see of DDM 2.0 it seems harder to learn

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if you wanted me to really get excited then re-release any of the first 3 or 4 sets then i would be in love with WOTC

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01/03/2008 12:30 PM  
Cause I gots moar $$ than brainZ! Yep yep yep!

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01/03/2008 12:42 PM  
I fall in the camp of less quantity of sets, higher quality of sets.

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01/03/2008 12:59 PM  
I would buy them just because I do not like the change of look of monsters in 4th ed. (or at least what i have seen so far).

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01/03/2008 1:32 PM  
I think you should not equal D&D4.0 with DDM2.0. They are different games IMHO which are released simultaneously (even though related to each other).

I'm buying primarily for skirmish, and official skirmish will be DDM2.0 only from april onwards I guess. So if they included DDM2.0 skirmish stats, I'd gladly buy another D&D3.5 set. But I'll be buying D&D4.0 sets just as easy.

As you noted that they'd only have DDM1.0 skirmish stats, I voted no, because in a year that game is kind of obsolete (using tiles anyone?).

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01/03/2008 1:39 PM  
I voted Hell Yes! because there are too many generic 3.5 monsters not done yet...not Eberron, not FR...just good, solid creatures for RPG...

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01/03/2008 3:35 PM  
Voted yes. Would like some monsters I don't know if they will appear in 4.0 as Deathkiss Beholder, Clockwork Horrors, Pulverizer, Athach,...

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01/03/2008 4:22 PM  
I voted Yes but it would actually be contigent on what was IN the set.


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01/03/2008 5:51 PM  
I am with the thought of another 3.5/1.0 set. There is still many great figs that has not received a sculpt.

Thanks Greyhaze for the poll!

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01/03/2008 5:56 PM  
Not quite a hell yes, but that's what I voted in the poll anyway. The completist in me must try to acquire everything DDM related.

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01/03/2008 7:18 PM  
Not quite a hell yes, but that's what I voted in the poll anyway. The completist in me must try to acquire everything DDM related.


*sob* Me too.

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I dont see that they can 'finnish' everything (doe that mean MM I, II or ?? ) in a set, and unless it was a good cash cow, it would be half hearted anyway. I've had enugh of not thought out stuff in last couple sets for skirmish as they seemed not too worried about balance/testing for 'old rules'.

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But yeah .. still buy it

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01/03/2008 9:16 PM  
Posted By Dordledum on 01/03/2008 1:32 PM
As you noted that they'd only have DDM1.0 skirmish stats, I voted no, because in a year that game is kind of obsolete (using tiles anyone?).
Perhaps skirmish 1.0 cards was not the way to go... since you are correct, they would be DOA.

Skirmish 2.0?


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01/04/2008 4:28 AM  

I'm asuming the split of people going to 4th edition D&D compared to those staying true to 3.5 will be almost 50/50.

Im actually upset that minis will now be based on 4th edition.

Now we will probably never get small and huge Air, Water and Earth elementals..but will get archons and elemental titans. :(

Im sure there are plenty of 3rd edition monsters we still need as minis that may never be made now because they dont appear in 4th edition.

Same with PCs. We only have a singe female Half-Orc mini. No Gnome Bard. The rest of the Iconics. Now we never will. We will instead get tons of Teiflings and Dragonborn.

Silly things like never getting the medium and large Kruthiks. What good are just hatchlings?

Depressing.

As for skirmish...Since the cards mean nothing to me and I dont play skirmish. You make them 1.0 or 2.0 I dont care. Id prefer 2.0 cards for the skirmisher's sakes.


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01/04/2008 5:41 AM  
no. im ready for 2.0. i like the new troll,beholder(from what i saw of the snow ball) and new Copper. The new rules look different and may involve more stategy. For me its time too let go and move forward

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01/04/2008 12:32 PM  
Added a potential set list to the first post. It's purpose is mostly to just fill out 3.5, so some things "need" to be there, like; Green Dragon & Ogre which have changed.


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01/04/2008 12:37 PM  
Nice set list. I like the Celestial Triceratops - my favourite of the dinosaurs.

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01/06/2008 1:24 AM  
Yes, yes and yes!!!

Sovellis in the same look as in the PHB would make my perfect PC- mini, and I'd pay 30$ for this mini alone, while I'd love lots of other minis as well - especially the huge silver dragon.

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01/06/2008 1:45 AM  
the set list is great though,

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01/06/2008 3:30 AM  
I voted yes - although I'd add the proviso that the miniatures should have the 3.5 design and look. Too many of the newer miniatures have a stupid cartoony/fairytale look.

Love the suggested list - although disappointed that the Bodak didn't get a mention...

I hate the way v3 has just been dropped with so many creatures missing, and I wish WotC would tell us more about which monsters have made the cut for v4. Actually, I just wish that WotC would tell us anything, other than how 'everything is going to be great'. Grumble.

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01/06/2008 4:55 AM  
i love the new set list man WOTC should give you a job it's an awsome list!

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01/06/2008 11:26 AM  
I'd certainly buy that set!

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01/06/2008 11:36 AM  
I do not think they will make 2.0 and 3.5 minis at one time even if people will demand it a lot.I strongly dislike the new "face" of main critters like ogres,green dragons,trolls,etc,etc...but if they kill 2.0 minis we will have only two choices: 1-to continue playing 2.0 and never go a tournament. 2-to play the new 2.0 and pray for they do not change the looks much more. I think I,ll go for 2.0 if the strategy and fun improves.If not, I will only buy the minis wich I like a lot in 2.0 and continue playing with my old orc champs warband

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01/06/2008 11:42 AM  
3.5 finale is idea, so it would definately be based on 3.5 artwork.

Sorry about the bodak, but it is just a hypothetical set list.  Aaand, since we don't know what is changing or being dropped, there is a good chance that the bodak will make it unscathed in to 4e.

And tyvm wolfgang. :)


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01/06/2008 11:58 PM  
I was just running through my cards to build a competitive warband, frustated with the amount of choises, lost cards & minis and other problems caused by 'too much' - but who could resist a set like that? :D Hell yes!

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01/07/2008 2:33 AM  
Hey, greyhaze, I would buy tons of cases of your hypothetical set!!

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01/07/2008 3:45 AM  

Voted nope, lets just get on with D&D 4.0 and DDM 2.0.Â

Although I would greatly like to see many of the hypothetical minis in a future set.Â

 

 


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01/07/2008 10:26 AM  
Sounds great to me!

WotC, you listening?!?!

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01/07/2008 11:34 AM  
I voted, nope, but I would not mind seeing those minis in 2.0/4e set.

Btw, your response options left much to be desired.

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01/07/2008 12:02 PM  
What would have been appropriate?


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01/11/2008 7:17 AM  
I think there should have been more comprehensive options.
For example:

Would you buy 3.5 DDMs?
Yes, and I do not want to buy 4.0 DDM
Yes, but I am willing to buy 4.0-based DDM too.
No, for reasons that are unrelated to it being 3.5.
No, I only want to buy 4.0-based DDM now.

Would pretty much hit all of the possible stances. The poll options you chose are pretty narrow. What if you don't want it and it has nothing to do with how much DDM you currently have or your money situation. What if you wouldn't mind it, but aren't enthusiastic about getting it to the point where you are all like Hell Yeah! about it? (As that implies a certain level of hostility towards the 4e-based sets that may not be there.)

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01/11/2008 7:33 AM  
Ah, well, I was pretty much only interested to see if wotc could get a sale, not the reasons as to why. But, the why's are of course interesting.  I realize the "not enough cash" stems in to the why's, but I meant to imply the answer is "yes, if I had more money to buy more sets than what there would be normally per year".

I took the "hell ya" as enthusiastic excitement towards a revisted 3.5e set, not hostility towards 4e. Interesting how things are interpreted by different folks.


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01/11/2008 7:39 AM  
Yeah, I see most of these pro-3.5e things being inherently anti-4.0. Why bring up another 3.5e set unless you dislike what is potentially going to be offered in any 4.0 sets that come out? I think that most of the pieces you mentioned would be great pieces, but I don't think they neccessarily require a 3.5e set to produce...

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01/11/2008 7:46 AM  
3.5e feels like it was left unfinished. This is sort of chance to fill in those blanks in the old style. It IS inherently anti 4e, there's no real way of getting around that, BUT it would give 3.5 gamers a sense of completion and not feeling like they were thrown to the wolves off handedly. There will be people that will not be converting, and those people have some spending cash too. Since I don't know what is being kept the same for 4e, I filled out what I felt was left dangling for 3.5e monster-wise - however, it is just hypothetical. If wotc were to do a set, they would know exaclty what was changed and what was not and could make a better list than I could. The only ones that "require" a production are those that are definately changing, I'll mark those that we know of on the list with an asterix...


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01/11/2008 9:16 AM  
Yeah, but if they made a 3.5 set with all of these monsters, they would have less tools to tempt people in 4e with sets with these minis. Also all of the ones on the list aren't definitely changing. I don't think we have heard any confirmation of the elementals going away (we just got a large fire elemental), the grey slaad, bearded devil, or the ogre barbarian (we just got an ogre).

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01/11/2008 9:24 AM  
I'd settle for a 3.5 Garg Green Dragon.

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01/11/2008 10:34 AM  
Posted By doubtofbuddha on 01/11/2008 9:16 AM
Yeah, but if they made a 3.5 set with all of these monsters, they would have less tools to tempt people in 4e with sets with these minis. Also all of the ones on the list aren't definitely changing. I don't think we have heard any confirmation of the elementals going away (we just got a large fire elemental), the grey slaad, bearded devil, or the ogre barbarian (we just got an ogre).
I don't see how if 4e is indeed good, how it's consumers wouldn't want to pick up the newest sets, and this particular set list could spread out over many many successive sets to follow to break up "reprints" from that set list.

The only traditional elementals we know we're getting are the larges, we were left with the impression that the others are being converted to other creatures like archons.  The Slaad and Bearded Devil I'm not sure about, but with the changes to the outer planes it seems very reasonable to suspect them of getting a makeover.  In regards to the Ogre, the 4e and 3.5s are VERY different.  I put it on the list because out of all the reprints and special versions we got, the original basic 3.5 male ogre is a rare from the very first set.  Even this basic 4e Ogre is a rare.

Garganutuan 3.5 Green would be nice.


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