maijstral
Underboss
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Frederyck
Sneak
139 Posts
Uppsala, Sweden
| | 01/23/2008 10:42 PM |
| | Very interesting! | |
If voting could really change things, it would be illegal. | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2731 Posts
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Sirohk
Commander
3939 Posts
USA
| | 01/24/2008 3:18 AM |
| Thx.Â
Now let the warband building, testing, and fun begin.Â
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Sirohk, the Bard of Heartstone
Knight of the Rahshasa's
And Crusader of the Zakya, Ak'chazar, Naztharune, and Naityan Rakshasa's | |
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HidesFromHurricanes
Warrior
289 Posts
| | 01/24/2008 4:40 AM |
| Can someone post these to a non-websensed site?
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Champion of Savage Bard (Unearthed Arcana: Bard Variant)
Bloodwars Called shot (vindicated) Demonic Gnoll Adept/Priestess
Old Jagermonster Saying: Any Plan vere you luz your hat iz a BAD Plan. | |
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lingster
Sergeant
778 Posts
| | 01/24/2008 5:32 AM |
| From first glance, everything is "neutral".
EXCEPT for devils, demons and the angel. they are listed as good or evil.
everything else doesn't have an alignment.
Opens up a whole new can of worms...
Merc Genral specifies a cohort. Human, Elf, or dwarf.
A guardian Mummy can be in a team with a dwarf maul fighter and other "civilized" (blue) creatures.
The Nightmare can also be with civilized (blue) creatures. HOWEVER, a nightmare can only have an undead as a mount.
Bruenor is borderlands (red). AND he doesn't like following Drizzt anymore. He's martial too. whatever that means. | |
May you find peace and happiness at the hand of Hextor.
Champion of Black Pudding
Called Shot Desert of Desolation: Drider - VINDICATED!
Called Shot Demonweb: Drow Cleric of Lloth
Called Shot FeyWild: Water Nymph (06-26-08)
Member of Team Millennium
4E takes away our Big Bad Evil Guy (BBEG) and give us this:
The Big Bad Mis-Understood But Not Quite Inherently Evil Who Does Naughty Things Guy (BBMUBNQIEWDNTG for short) | |
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Wolfgang
Warlord
6637 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 01/24/2008 5:59 AM |
| | wow is all i can say and not in the good sense | |
Proud member since March 26 2005
Champion of the SIVAK DRACONIAN
Completed trades: (94)
Bad traders(2) DJchuckles, sardal
Called shots:Sivak Draconian in DD
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
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HidesFromHurricanes
Warrior
289 Posts
| | 01/24/2008 6:33 AM |
| Thanks
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Champion of Savage Bard (Unearthed Arcana: Bard Variant)
Bloodwars Called shot (vindicated) Demonic Gnoll Adept/Priestess
Old Jagermonster Saying: Any Plan vere you luz your hat iz a BAD Plan. | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3463 Posts
Netherlands
| | 01/24/2008 7:07 AM |
| mmm... most of the previously fearless creatures have extra hitpoints, nice way to resolve that.
have to rethink my whole picture of the set tough, e.g. which is good for skirmish and which is not.
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Member of the Bearded Devils
Champion of the Huge Spider (WotDQ 46/60), A New Umber Hulk (DoDe 57/60), and the Orog Fighter! | |
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kyrin
Commander
3172 Posts
| | 01/24/2008 7:14 AM |
| Bleh. The Baron has been majorly nerfed. Lost 15 hp, and
goes from 45 damage on two hits to 25 damage -- and that's only twice
in a battle!
So much for THAT idea...
JIM
aka kyrin
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My Have/Want List <-|-|->My Trades and References 1 <-|-|->My Trades and References 2
Pronounce "Drow" like "crow"! Viva la Revolution! We Shall Overcome!
Vindicated Champion of the Stirge! Vindicated Champion of the Githyanki Knight on Red Dragon!!
Vindicated Champion of the Androsphinx! | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 01/24/2008 9:25 AM |
| | Interesting stuff. Much more reading to do. | | | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 01/24/2008 10:03 AM |
| | They look really good to me. I am already knee deep in some quantitative analysis of them. I will post my findings tonight. | |
I am not gone. | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 01/24/2008 10:04 AM |
| Posted By kyrin on 01/24/2008 7:14 AM
Bleh. The Baron has been majorly nerfed. Lost 15 hp, and goes from 45 damage on two hits to 25 damage -- and that's only twice in a battle!
So much for THAT idea...
JIM
aka kyrin
The HP loss is pretty awful, but the damage loss isn't too bad. Most minis do less damage now. Also his Champion Effects are much more useful than his commander effect ever was and his AC is decent. | |
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Zyla
Underboss
1201 Posts
| | 01/24/2008 12:08 PM |
| The Baron can do 30 damage on 2 attacks not 25. Â It can do an immediate +18 attack to do an extra 10 damage when it hits with its attack, and it gains +5 damage when bloodied.
If you compare the it against the other Champions the Baron is the best due to its champion abilities and Bruenor is the best when it comes to being a tank | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 01/24/2008 1:58 PM |
| | Much of the minis have been improved.Good for them. | |
LOVE THIS GIRL | |
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kyrin
Commander
3172 Posts
| | 01/24/2008 2:32 PM |
| Posted By Zyla on 01/24/2008 12:08 PM The Baron can do 30 damage on 2 attacks not 25. Â It can do an immediate +18 attack to do an extra 10 damage when it hits with its attack, and it gains +5 damage when bloodied.
If
you compare the it against the other Champions the Baron is the best
due to its champion abilities and Bruenor is the best when it comes to
being a tank
That's what I meant -- 15 damage followed by
10. 25 points in a round, or 35 points when he's half-dead, which
takes less than it used to.Â
I'll try him out, but he's not nearly as attractive as he was.
JIM
aka kyrin
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My Have/Want List <-|-|->My Trades and References 1 <-|-|->My Trades and References 2
Pronounce "Drow" like "crow"! Viva la Revolution! We Shall Overcome!
Vindicated Champion of the Stirge! Vindicated Champion of the Githyanki Knight on Red Dragon!!
Vindicated Champion of the Androsphinx! | |
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vanrulzz
Commander
2778 Posts
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| | 01/24/2008 8:54 PM |
| | hey can someone post the stats? for some reason its not opening for me. | | | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2045 Posts
Portland OR
| | 01/24/2008 9:13 PM |
| | iPhones no likey downloads! | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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MarioCleanstuff
Warrior
325 Posts
San Diego, CA
| | 01/24/2008 9:50 PM |
| Looks to me like the G-Cube needs some clarification.
Its Engulf ability is a melee attack that only affects helpless creatures. There's no attack roll, which implies that they figured in the auto-crit involved with melee attacks against helpless foes, but it doesn't state not to double the 30 damage. Since it doesn't say not to, I guess we're supposed to assume that we should (given that the game is exceptions-based), but I'd still like some clarification for this.
EDIT: Looks to me like this and a lot more has already been caught elsewhere. Oh well. | |
Completed trades: Brenigin, desiderata, HockeyFan, MikeyChraal, Raland, GuJiaXian | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2731 Posts
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Sirohk
Commander
3939 Posts
USA
| | 01/25/2008 3:16 AM |
| Why did the Sahugin Baron get nerfed so bad? Lost 15 HP, Champion Rating down to a 3 from a 5, with a Claw Rake can do 25 damage in a round whereas before he could possibly do 45.Â
Compare to the Merc General at same cost as he seems have done ok - Champion Rating stays the same (4), lost his Rider extra att bonus and damage.Â
I guess I do not get how the SB went from Champion 5 to 3 and the Merc General went from Champion 4 to 4.Â
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Sirohk, the Bard of Heartstone
Knight of the Rahshasa's
And Crusader of the Zakya, Ak'chazar, Naztharune, and Naityan Rakshasa's | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 01/25/2008 6:27 AM |
| | The Mercenary General appears to be the exception rather than the rule for Champion Ratings. Almost all of the other pieces got a decrease in Champion Ratings. I suspect, that Champion Ratings are probably going to be low across to board. The days of frequent ratings in the 5-7 range are a thing of the past. I don't mind this at all. | |
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Zyla
Underboss
1201 Posts
| | 01/25/2008 10:08 PM |
| | the Sahuagin Baron has better champion abilities then the Mercenary General | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 01/26/2008 6:23 AM |
| Posted By doubtofbuddha on 01/25/2008 6:27 AM
I suspect, that Champion Ratings are probably going to be low across to board. The days of frequent ratings in the 5-7 range are a thing of the past. I don't mind this at all. Given the change to initiative, there's not much need for such high variation. As a matter of fact, it would please me most if the VAST MAJORITY of Champion Ratings were 3 and 4. This would amount to those playing Champion 3 bands acknowledging that their bands are built to be more robust on non-chosen maps and better able to handle the lost initiative.
Further, the new activation cycle, i.e. 1-2-2-2... means that the advantage, during play, of either passing the first phase or taking the first phase is substantially reduced.
It sure got tiresome facing Ryld and three Black Dragons, and having Ryld's primary role be the +8.
Dave
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Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2731 Posts
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vanrulzz
Commander
2778 Posts
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| | 01/28/2008 9:47 AM |
| | ok, i still am going over the cards to try to get good combinations. I guess im being thrown off by the fact that friggin everything is multifaction. | | | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 01/28/2008 10:51 AM |
| Posted By Sean-Khan on 01/26/2008 8:22 PM
Maybe there will be rare +5 champions? Like Bahamut, perhaps. I'd really like to see 4 be the top for a while.
Dave
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Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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