PrometheusEnslaved
Sneak
78 Posts
    
Central Florida
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| Over the last few days I've noticed - and taken advantage of - what appears to be a major slump in the secondary market for DDM. Powerhouse pieces and highly desirable RPG pieces alike going for near minimum bids on eBay. Stuff that previously sold for $10 to $15 like Iron Golems and Death Slaads selling for less that half that. A Pit Fiend going for as little at $7.55 and a Balor for under $10.
Has the market finally reached a point of maximum saturation, too much supply and not enough demand? Has the change from standard to 2.0 caused a lot of players to just abandon the game and dump their collections? Or are sales at a low because people are waiting to see just how 2.0 might change the game and how updated stats will influence the overall desirability of older pieces?
What are your thoughts/speculations? | |
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berus316
Sergeant
628 Posts
Markham, Ontario Canada
| | 01/24/2008 10:04 AM |
| I think it's a bit of everything that you suggest plus I'm sure the giant lockdown on info/previews of the next set has killed off a of interest for the time being.
Throw in the extra month til the next set and we are in the dog days of winter right now.
Personally, I just dropped $200 on minis yesterday on ebay (a lot of good deals out there), so there are some of us still buying. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10253 Posts
United States
| | 01/24/2008 10:31 AM |
| I suspect it's just typical market swings. I'm still working on a few more Harbinger pieces to complete my second set, and then I'll be auctioning a complete Harbinger set. I don't expect the price will be too low--I'll make sure there's a comfortable minimum bid in there so I get my own money's worth out of having collected all those pieces.
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 01/24/2008 10:34 AM |
| | Hey Prometheus, where are you in Central Florida? | |
I am not gone. | |
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yack
Commander
3152 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
| | 01/24/2008 10:36 AM |
| | I too have noticed this on ebay and have been buying up and even scored a PHB2 for like 20 bucks so the price of 3.5 I guess are starting to drop. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
8888 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 01/24/2008 10:57 AM |
| | I've been buying the odd small collection as well. There are certainly good deals to be had out there. | |
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bshugg
Underboss
1809 Posts
| | 01/24/2008 12:32 PM |
| | Prices always swing downwards after the Christmas season. Maybe not this much, but it certainly has the last few years as well. | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6598 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 01/24/2008 3:36 PM |
| | Lots of people are selling their collections. The whole factor of not knowing what minis will be good in new skirmish rules has contributed to various people trying to sell off their old stuff. The vintage announcement just made sure isn't helping. | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 01/24/2008 4:20 PM |
| I had to trade a small fortune in minis to get a Cadaver Collector about a year ago and I bought one on line yesterday for 5 dollars. I think its people dumping there 'worthless' minis in anticipation of 2.0 and 4.0. Nobody knows what will or won't work in 2.0 so they are getting rid of stuff they think they won't need. A few people,discusted with the change over, are getting out entirely and selling off their collections.
These and probably a few more reasons have created a glut on the market while there are fewer buyers so price drops, Heck I sold a Balor just before GenCon for 27 dollars and I see in the OP post that he saw one going for less than $10. | | | |
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ScruffyRanger
Sergeant
356 Posts
Central Coast AUSTRALIA
| | 01/24/2008 5:28 PM |
| Yesterday a Small White Dragon (that's right... the one with the additional joint in the hind leg!) sold for $12.00 AUD. The highest I have ever seen that piece auction. Now, I dunno how you American chaps see your economy but the rest of the world sees it as being in recession or very, very, close to it. My US customer base has gone from stacks to none in no time at all. The Aussies, Europeans and Canadians however seem to buying like never before and enjoying the apparent absence of US bidders.
In January we have a number of things to factor in when it comes to discovering what is responsible for changes in a market place:
1. US Economic Recession
2. %Holiday Spending catches up
3. Fear of the unknown; regarding manufacturer decisions in the way they want their previously successful product to reach its demise
4. Blow-back from 3
...and that’s just the top players. I'm sure there is a small cane basket full of other variables that could be tossed in there also. These to me though seem to be the most influential factors in what we're seeing. It would be interesting also to see Mada's Price Guide. If you thought it was delusional before, you could probably get a good cackle out of it now.
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PrometheusEnslaved
Sneak
78 Posts
Central Florida
| | 01/24/2008 7:06 PM |
| At first I thought I was just getting ridiculously great deals, just lucking out and stumbling upon them at the right time. But more and I noticed nothing seemed to be selling. Certainly not like the old days. It was almost spooky, like I was The Omega Man on eBay. I hadn't bought anything from eBay in ages because I simply couldn't watch the auctions like I used to and I'd always lose to last minute sniping. But for the last week...hell, most of my bids went completely unchallenged! Apparently I'm not the only one who's noticed this lull and started taking advantage of it.
Personally, I'm not too concerned with where DDM 2.0 is headed and whether or not it makes the older minis useless in skirmish - aside from not being able to sell off my older stuff for anything near a respectable price - because I mostly use the minis for the RPG, and the changes in DDM won't affect that, since I use the Monster Manuals instead of the cards for stat information. And since I don't plan on upgrading to 4th Edition (at least, not for a very long time if ever), I'm happy to see 3rd and 3.5 books being dumped as well. Though, I almost feel a little guilty with some of these deals.
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Thenameless
Warlord
8888 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 01/27/2008 1:26 PM |
| | Don't feel guilty about getting good deals on stuff that people are dumping. People sell off their stuff many reasons. Cash for the new editions, redundant Christmas presents, not happy with the product, used it enough and don't need it anymore, etc. | |
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Wolfgang
Commander
2803 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 01/27/2008 1:48 PM |
| The vintage announcement just made sure isn't helping.
I missed this what is it?
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6598 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 01/28/2008 12:11 PM |
| Posted By Wolfgang on 01/27/2008 1:48 PM The vintage announcement just made sure isn't helping. I missed this what is it?
The announcement that there will be two formats for 200 pt play--standard which uses about three sets only, and vintage, which allows all sets. I might have the exact number of sets for standard off, but my point was the fact that there will now be standard and vintage, will, IMO, hurt values of older stuff.
See "Set Rotation" thread
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Champion of Something, I imagine I will think of something
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1497 Posts
Spain
| | 01/28/2008 2:28 PM |
| | I can only speak about my meeting point for D&D minis: here,nobody (I insist, NOBODY) buy old minis (nor bad nor good minis).This is easy to explain for me: nobody will adquire a piece wich you cannot know if it will be playable in the next months or won,t be.Minis 2.0 is an earhtquake for the secondary market.Will you buy the very good orc champ (and expensive) if it could become useless in months?If WotC at least promise tBut noo keep the current tier 1 minis...But not.Nowadays to buy a single rare mini can be the same than to buy an useless piece (fire archon comes to my mind) | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7067 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 01/28/2008 2:48 PM |
| Typical market swing. Plus, the added effects of conversion causing a partial selling frenzy.
All in all, just like housing, it could be a good time to buy.
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mazra
Sergeant
352 Posts
Canton, GA
| | 01/28/2008 3:41 PM |
| Hi Everyone,
That sounds about right Teflon Jeff. There have been some really good deals out there. I bought an unopened GOL booster including shipping for $22. (I want to save it as a collectors item, but I so want to open it!)
It seems that between set releases is the best time to buy minis on Ebay. Add to that the after Christmas affect, and the uncertainty with the 4.0/2.0 version, you may be in the best buyers market for DDMs in some time.
Later,
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azuretide
Sergeant
407 Posts
| | 01/28/2008 3:42 PM |
| | i love that the market is down right now i can pick up pieces that i want for cheap. i just got a beholder lich for 7 bucks :) | |
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xuthal
Sergeant
649 Posts
Boulder, CO
| | 01/28/2008 8:47 PM |
| It's similar with 3.5e books right now. I've been picking them up in new condition on ebay and the amazon marketplace for $4-10 apiece. My campaign is 15 months old and the characters are 8th level so we've got a few years ahead of us. Long live 3.5e!
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XAos
Underboss
2382 Posts
London
| | 01/29/2008 9:10 AM |
| Looks more than an seasonal swing to me.
Most of my favourite singles traders who have been selling ddm consistantly since the 2nd/3rd expansion are not in the market anymore.
I suspect thats mostly the long warning time from the announcement of ddm-2 (August) to the preview late January.
Remains to be seen what the announcement of set rotation will do to the market. Since that only occured this week.
Personally I was starting to list what singles I would want from Desert of Desolation for the new rules. And the announcement of set rotation has stopped that cold.
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Thousandsofminis
Warrior
251 Posts
| | 01/29/2008 12:19 PM |
| I'd say for me, things have slowed down quite abit since about a month before Christmas. I did see a spike this past week in Desert of Desolation sales though with the 2.0 stats coming out. I would expect similar events each month that new cards are listed. I'll be able to tell a little better with how the sales of Dungeons of Dread go though. In general prices have dropped across the board. Older sets singles prices in stores are down by about 30-40% from this time last year. auctions you can find even better deals, but I am just speaking of buy it now prices. I kinda figured that was bound to happen eventually. We'll see what vintage and 2.0 stats do to those older peices over time though. I'd say this years holiday slump is a little worse than previous years though, as this is the 4th year that I've been in the business at this time of year.
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7067 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 01/29/2008 1:10 PM |
| Posted By XAos on 01/29/2008 9:10 AM
Looks more than an seasonal swing to me.
Most of my favourite singles traders who have been selling ddm consistantly since the 2nd/3rd expansion are not in the market anymore.
I suspect thats mostly the long warning time from the announcement of ddm-2 (August) to the preview late January.
Remains to be seen what the announcement of set rotation will do to the market. Since that only occured this week.
Personally I was starting to list what singles I would want from Desert of Desolation for the new rules. And the announcement of set rotation has stopped that cold.
I know personally, I haven't done an trading or looking. I'm taking a risk-free stance. I may buy a few pieces to finish Harbinger-GoL, but other than that. I'm standing pat.
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Thenameless
Warlord
8888 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 01/29/2008 7:20 PM |
| | Risk-free stance - I like that. Right now, I'm buying at prices low enough to justify DDM for RPG use only. That's sort of risk-free. | |
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bonelock
Underboss
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Arandae
Sergeant
699 Posts
UK
| | 02/01/2008 3:45 AM |
| Posted By iluvxtina on 01/28/2008 2:28 PM
I can only speak about my meeting point for D&D minis: here,nobody (I insist, NOBODY) buy old minis (nor bad nor good minis).This is easy to explain for me: nobody will adquire a piece wich you cannot know if it will be playable in the next months or won,t be.Minis 2.0 is an earhtquake for the secondary market.Will you buy the very good orc champ (and expensive) if it could become useless in months?If WotC at least promise tBut noo keep the current tier 1 minis...But not.Nowadays to buy a single rare mini can be the same than to buy an useless piece (fire archon comes to my mind)
(My emphasis.)
I'm sure 2.0 has contributed to the drop in sales, but I think it is a mistake to try to explain price trends just in terms of the minority market. I suspect that the price drop is much more complicated, and may also involve other issues:
1) Lack of excitement in DDM (the miniatures in general, not just skirmish). With leaks locked down, a period of uninspiring marketing (often with late or missing previews), plenty of 'bad' news, all followed by a prolonged period of silence, it's been hard for people on and off the boards to be at all excited. There's no buzz, and mostly nothing to talk about.
2) Uncertainty about RPG. This is the big market, and lots of 3e players will be wondering whether they will play 4e at all. It's already fairly clear that 4e will have lots of new creatures, and many, many old ones have been redesigned to look little or nothing like they used to. That means that DDM won't be doing much to fill in gaps in 3e. Many 3e miniatures will be poor proxies for 4e, and vice versa. And when 5e comes out, they'll all just be poor proxies for that.
3) Break in momentum. While the 3e sets kept coming out, there was momentum. People were probably buying far more minis than they really needed for RPG use. (I know I did.) Now that the looks of so many creatures seem to be changing and the long lull has given time to reflect, many RPGers may be asking whether they really need to add to their massive collections of miniatures at all - especially as so many serve only as proxies for one version of D&D or the other. And lots of companies sell proxies - why be locked in to WotC's product?
Things can change, of course, but right now I suspect that WotC have a mountain to climb if they want to persuade the majority of their market to buy like they used to.
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Thenameless
Warlord
8888 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 02/01/2008 10:48 PM |
| | I don't think that a change in creature shape or form is really bad for RPG. While some will change rather drastically, most will experience only subtle changes, which will be welcome on most RPG tables. "Oh good, now I have four different looking Trolls, two types of Umber Hulks, six types of Ogres." This can only really be good for both DM's and players alike, as it helps them to distinguish the different Ogres, for example, that the party is facing. | |
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Arandae
Sergeant
699 Posts
UK
| | 02/02/2008 8:47 AM |
| Posted By Thenameless on 02/01/2008 10:48 PM
I don't think that a change in creature shape or form is really bad for RPG. While some will change rather drastically, most will experience only subtle changes, which will be welcome on most RPG tables. "Oh good, now I have four different looking Trolls, two types of Umber Hulks, six types of Ogres." This can only really be good for both DM's and players alike, as it helps them to distinguish the different Ogres, for example, that the party is facing.
I can see the point with the Umber Hulks - but then, those two minis look like essentially the same creature (albeit different in scale and exact colour). I don't see this working with trolls and ogres - the old and new minis in those cases really do look like competely different creatures, not just distant cousins.
We had lots of orange ogre scultps, and they looked sufficiently different for RPG purposes just by having different poses and weapons. The new ogre is a different creature - grey, ape-like, different stance, different head shape and different jaw.
If the argument is that the players benefit from putting out an old ogre and a new ogre, then the argument might as well be to represent a party of six ogres by using one actual ogre, a hill giant, a troll, a minotaur, an enlarged Duergar and the Aspect of Gruumsh. In other words, just use proxies of similar height.
That's OK, if you're happy to do that, but it's bad for DDM sales. Why would people buy three new ogre sculpts if they'd rather represent a party using different creature minis anyway? And why just buy DDM - why not just buy a few minis of each size category from different companies?
The 'unique selling point' of DDM for D&D RPG was that the minis looked like the actual creatures in the game. If WotC throw that away, they shouldn't be surprised if they get a big drop in interest in the line, in my opinion.
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Called Shots- Blood War: Green Slaad (53/60), Night Below: Kuo-Toa Whip (55/60),
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paladin72
Sneak
87 Posts
| | 02/04/2008 3:52 PM |
| I bought a Gauth and a King Snurre to finish out my all stars, and I got them both really reasonable. It's definitely a buyers market. Although, I believe there has been fewer auctions on ebay as of late. Just a lot of buy it now from stores whose prices haven't dropped that much.
I think for the most part I will stay steady in the boat until the all star cards are released. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
8888 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 02/04/2008 10:04 PM |
| Posted By Arandae on 02/02/2008 8:47 AM Posted By Thenameless on 02/01/2008 10:48 PM
I don't think that a change in creature shape or form is really bad for RPG. While some will change rather drastically, most will experience only subtle changes, which will be welcome on most RPG tables. "Oh good, now I have four different looking Trolls, two types of Umber Hulks, six types of Ogres." This can only really be good for both DM's and players alike, as it helps them to distinguish the different Ogres, for example, that the party is facing. I can see the point with the Umber Hulks - but then, those two minis look like essentially the same creature (albeit different in scale and exact colour). I don't see this working with trolls and ogres - the old and new minis in those cases really do look like competely different creatures, not just distant cousins. We had lots of orange ogre scultps, and they looked sufficiently different for RPG purposes just by having different poses and weapons. The new ogre is a different creature - grey, ape-like, different stance, different head shape and different jaw. If the argument is that the players benefit from putting out an old ogre and a new ogre, then the argument might as well be to represent a party of six ogres by using one actual ogre, a hill giant, a troll, a minotaur, an enlarged Duergar and the Aspect of Gruumsh. In other words, just use proxies of similar height. That's OK, if you're happy to do that, but it's bad for DDM sales. Why would people buy three new ogre sculpts if they'd rather represent a party using different creature minis anyway? And why just buy DDM - why not just buy a few minis of each size category from different companies? The 'unique selling point' of DDM for D&D RPG was that the minis looked like the actual creatures in the game. If WotC throw that away, they shouldn't be surprised if they get a big drop in interest in the line, in my opinion.
I know what you mean. I'm certainly not a fan of the new-look ogre, which looks more like my mental picture of either a grimlock or an orc. But, that's my own preference. I still think that for the most part, the variation will be useful to most gaming tables. Green dragons still look like green dragons (albeit different), Beholders still look like Beholders. | |
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Turboman
Warrior
212 Posts
| | 02/05/2008 9:10 AM |
| | Except some Green Dragons look less retarded than others. | |
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oldben
Skirmisher
33 Posts
Denver, CO (USA)
| | 05/23/2008 4:44 AM |
| I thought I'd resurrect this thread...
So, what do people think now? I saw a hound archon and bearded devil go for less than 10 dollars in early May. Price guides still put them at +20. Anyway, do you think ebay prices/sales will pick up after 4e? What about DoD prices? Just curious to hear other's thoughts :) | | | |
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yack
Commander
3152 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
| | 05/23/2008 5:06 AM |
| I think they are still low and it's awesome!!!
I don't collect my 4,000+ minis for cash but for gaming. I sooner have 10,000 and have them worth 10 cents total. :P | |
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Vindicated Champion : Pit Fiend, Devourer
ATG: Fog Giant
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Warlord
5557 Posts
| | 05/23/2008 6:13 AM |
| | I recently (a month or so back) sold a pit fiend on ebay for 20ish$ and a large red dragon for 40ish$. I do agree that a lot of items have gone down in price though. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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XAos
Underboss
2382 Posts
London
| | 05/23/2008 6:48 AM |
| My guess, the "Standard" format for tournaments is preventing any recovery of the secondary market.
However good a figure used to be. It's valueless if it's not tournament legal...
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10253 Posts
United States
| | 05/23/2008 8:06 AM |
| Posted By XAos on 05/23/2008 6:48 AM
My guess, the "Standard" format for tournaments is preventing any recovery of the secondary market.
However good a figure used to be. It's valueless if it's not tournament legal...
This is part of it, I suppose. If we see a spike in prices of some All Star figures that turn out to be good in skirmish, then it might be confirmed. Further, if Vintage play takes off and we see a resurgence of prices of some of the figures, that too will serve as confirmation.
However, if it's truly the case that the vast majority of minis prices are driven by RPG sales, then most of the older expensive pieces probably will never get to their high prices again simply because there will be replacements that people can acquire more cheaply.
There will still be the oddball piece, like the Archfiends Drizzt that will go for a decent price simply because there are collectors willing to pay that price.
Dave
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| | it still depends on the rarity. Im sure the huge red still has a high value because there isnt another one available. | |
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| Posted By Vrecknidj on 05/23/2008 8:06 AM Posted By XAos on 05/23/2008 6:48 AM
My guess, the "Standard" format for tournaments is preventing any recovery of the secondary market.
However good a figure used to be. It's valueless if it's not tournament legal...
This is part of it, I suppose. If we see a spike in prices of some All Star figures that turn out to be good in skirmish, then it might be confirmed. Further, if Vintage play takes off and we see a resurgence of prices of some of the figures, that too will serve as confirmation. However, if it's truly the case that the vast majority of minis prices are driven by RPG sales, then most of the older expensive pieces probably will never get to their high prices again simply because there will be replacements that people can acquire more cheaply. There will still be the oddball piece, like the Archfiends Drizzt that will go for a decent price simply because there are collectors willing to pay that price. Dave
I think some of the prices will rebound once they are retro' statted for 2.0, so get 'em while they're cheap. I plan to.
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| | I think that now more than ever it seems that auction end times are important. Auctions that have a good end time (I've found 9-11PM EST on Sunday works best for me) tend to still bring in good prices. The thing you really want to look for when bargain hunting is auctions that close early on a weekday when most folks are still at work. The drastic difference there is why I don't really like using completed auctions for a trading base. | |
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| Well if you are taking time into account, what about people in other time zones then?
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| Posted By Wraithborne on 05/23/2008 11:04 AM
The drastic difference there is why I don't really like using completed auctions for a trading base. I'll scour the last 15 or so completed auctions for a piece, if I can find the data, and shoot for something that looks like either a reasonable average, or, if there's a lot of weight at the top or bottom, I'll consider that in my estimate.
I think we're in the Wild West for pricing.
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