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Sirohk
Commander
3939 Posts
    
USA
 | | 02/14/2008 4:05 PM |
| I did forget and remember right after I logged off and headed for work that the Chillborn is an Evil Undead that should synergize well with the Death Knight.Â
Hopefully future sets (and restatted Unhallowed) will have some Evil and Or Undead tha will synergize well with the Death Knight.Â
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ckissee
Underboss
1431 Posts
KD :)
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zoroaster100
Sergeant
873 Posts
| | 02/14/2008 8:54 PM |
| | I don't really like the look of these two minis. They both have pretty much just the same three colors each. The paint jobs don't look too great. They both look a bit cartoony to me. Hopefully they will look nicer in person if I happen to pull one (if I get a case, that is). Still too early to decide whether I will get cases or just buy singles. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2045 Posts
Portland OR
| | 02/14/2008 9:02 PM |
| As long as they are evil... and undead... which i didn't check for mummy or r.ghoul... death knight can play with them...
I don't think they are the most fantastic minis i've ever seen but both have a good chance of being better in hand than in pic... stat wise they are kinda beefy...
except everyone within 6 of a cleric of pelor does +15 dmg to them... likely to keep them from seeing too much play. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2045 Posts
Portland OR
| | 02/14/2008 9:25 PM |
| ohh...
and just so we're clear...
vizier + deathknight + 3 chillborn + lower than 7 init = chillborn for +21 for 45... did i mention that's only 170pts...
but cleric of pelor still eats em up... for much cheaper... | |
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Sneak
168 Posts
Denmark
| | 02/15/2008 12:23 AM |
| | Why don't they ever think up monsters or classes specialized in killing clerics? Both the minis game and RP desperately need that! ;) | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2731 Posts
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Sirohk
Commander
3939 Posts
USA
| | 02/15/2008 3:11 AM |
| Posted By Lord_rock on 02/14/2008 9:02 PM
As long as they are evil... and undead... which i didn't check for mummy or r.ghoul... death knight can play with them...
I don't think they are the most fantastic minis i've ever seen but both have a good chance of being better in hand than in pic... stat wise they are kinda beefy...
except everyone within 6 of a cleric of pelor does +15 dmg to them... likely to keep them from seeing too much play.
Mummy and Ravenous Ghoul are only Undead, they are not Evil. So they cannot be used with the Death Knight.Â
I would not be too worried about the Cleric of Pelor. His followers need to be within 5 squares to get the bonus Radiant damage. And if you run an Undead warband one will just have to take out the Cleric of Pelor asap.Â
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Sirohk
Commander
3939 Posts
USA
| | 02/15/2008 3:26 AM |
| Posted By ckissee on 02/14/2008 7:50 PM
Since no one has even made a guess as to the clue for the next preview, I'm going to go with:
Efreeti Emir
Immolith
and
Crazed Kuo-toa
Two double letters and a digraph.
My guess to the next preview is:
Balhannoth
Ettin
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Sirohk, the Bard of Heartstone
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djtool
Sergeant
584 Posts
Crystal MN, USA
| | 02/15/2008 7:15 AM |
| The cleric of pelor thing is more of a limited format threat then constructed I think.
At least in limited you can pair the deathknight up with the cleric of pelor and smack bloodied opponenets for 30 damage while subsequently applying 10 when they activate.
so flipping nasty.
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
960 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 02/15/2008 8:00 AM |
| Posted By djtool on 02/15/2008 7:15 AM
The cleric of pelor thing is more of a limited format threat then constructed I think.
At least in limited you can pair the deathknight up with the cleric of pelor and smack bloodied opponenets for 30 damage while subsequently applying 10 when they activate.
so flipping nasty.
Sweet!!!!!!! I like that combo! | |
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mazra
Sergeant
442 Posts
Canton, GA
| | 02/16/2008 4:06 AM |
| Posted By Sirohk on 02/15/2008 3:11 AM Posted By Lord_rock on 02/14/2008 9:02 PM
As long as they are evil... and undead... which i didn't check for mummy or r.ghoul... death knight can play with them... Mummy and Ravenous Ghoul are only Undead, they are not Evil. So they cannot be used with the Death Knight.Â
Hi Everyone,
I really like the minis. I really don't like the factions. It is getting worse and worse. The idea that the Death Knight can not band with the mummy or ghoul is seriously FUBAR.Â
We can only hope that RPG is not as equally damaged.
BTW- What can the Death Knight band with that has been released so far?
Later,
Mazra | | | |
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vanrulzz
Commander
2778 Posts
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| | 02/16/2008 8:56 AM |
| | as far as stats the death knight is EXCELLENT i hope to get 2 of these and some undead fodder :) | | | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 02/16/2008 8:24 PM |
| Posted By mazra on 02/16/2008 4:06 AM
BTW- What can the Death Knight band with that has been released so far?
I hear Death Knight, Vampire Vizier and several Chillborn Zombies are a possibility. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3939 Posts
USA
| | 02/18/2008 4:15 AM |
| Firsthand I've seen the Dathknight and Vampire Vizier in use and they are solid. The Cleric of Pelor will not stand up to them.Â
Of all the pieces so far in DoD2 I would hope to pull in the pre-release, it would be these two.Â
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mazra
Sergeant
442 Posts
Canton, GA
| | 02/18/2008 1:29 PM |
| Hi Greyhaze, Thanks for the update. It seems a bit light for a warband. What do you think?
What do you think about the Mummy, Ravenous Ghoul or even a Nightmare not being able to band with a Deathknight?
The Boneshard Skeleton can band with a Deathknight.
Later,
Mazra
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2731 Posts
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mazra
Sergeant
442 Posts
Canton, GA
| | 02/18/2008 2:26 PM |
| Posted By Sean-Khan on 02/18/2008 1:39 PM Boneshard IS borderlands; It's sad about those others, though.
It is more than just sad. It looks like the Skirmish game looks to reinvent the alliances typical in a fantasy world for no other reason than to be different. The thought of a Death Knight not being able to ride aboard a Nightmare is just wrong.   WOTC is clearly not thinking these skirmish alliances through properly. I DON'T LIKE IT!  Skirmish should have some relationship with the RPG world. The 1.0 skirmish game did. Â
Now I agree some of the alignment restrictions in 1.0 did not always make sense, but what they are doing now makes far less sense.
Later,
Mazra | | | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 02/18/2008 4:57 PM |
| We don't know what changes 4e will bring, Nightmare's may not be typical mounts for Death Knights.
I think there will eventually be a way to band together all of the undead, perhaps with summoners that don't suck, and then it'll be ok that they are factionally splitting the mummy and ghoul from the death knight. I find it peculiar that ghouls and mummy's aren't inherantly evil. | |
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Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2045 Posts
Portland OR
| | 02/18/2008 10:05 PM |
| maybe they will b evil after the rerelease.
But deathknight+ viser+ chillborne should be a decent core. Good synergies betwixt em all.
Deathknight + nightmare might have been brutal. Also, these seem like 2 pretty thrifty blood of the vol boosters too. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
12541 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 02/18/2008 11:45 PM |
| | Lord Soth with two Death Knights. Will this work in the future? Probably too many points. At least it'll be good for RPG. | |
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mazra
Sergeant
442 Posts
Canton, GA
| | 02/19/2008 9:16 AM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 02/18/2008 4:57 PM
I find it peculiar that ghouls and mummy's aren't inherantly evil.
Hi greyhaze,
I couldn't agree more. It just doesn't seem right to sit down to tea and crumpets with a Ravenous Ghoul or a Guardian Mummy. We could even invite the Troll over for a game of Bridge.
Oi Veh! The entire D&D universe is being turned upside down. I guess it is too PC to call them evil.
Later,
Mazra
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
661 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 02/19/2008 10:13 AM |
| | I can see a mummy as not inherently evil (as they're simply neutral tomb guardians), but I agree--ghouls, by definition, should be evil. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 02/19/2008 10:41 AM |
| | I'll give you that. You could even have a "good" mummy, but the flesh eating ghoul not evil? No way. | |
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Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60,
Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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xuthal
Sergeant
649 Posts
Boulder, CO
| | 02/19/2008 12:56 PM |
| Maybe they could all fall under a new heading: Ill-tempered. Undeath will do that to you.
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mazra
Sergeant
442 Posts
Canton, GA
| | 02/19/2008 3:02 PM |
| Posted By GuJiaXian on 02/19/2008 10:13 AM
I can see a mummy as not inherently evil (as they're simply neutral tomb guardians), but I agree--ghouls, by definition, should be evil.
Hi GJX,
I am not sure that Abbot and Costello would agree. Maybe I am a bit old school. You know back when undead derived their energies from the Negative Material Plane. They were evil by their very nature. A good tomb guarding mummy just doesn't seem right. It flies in the face of all the horrors associated with Mummies. I am sure Brendan Frazier would agree.
I do see your point GJX, I am just not sure I like it.
Later,
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Sirohk
Commander
3939 Posts
USA
| | 02/19/2008 3:16 PM |
| D&D XP is about a week away and...
Quoting jgsugden from over on Hordelings: "... most stats for DoD2 are still a secret. The Thursday Prerelease looks to be one of the least spoiled prereleases ever."Â
I am hugely excited about this. A nearly blind (only about 1/4 of stats known) prerelease for Dungeon of Dread. Should be lots of fun.Â
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Knight of the Rahshasa's
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Thenameless
Warlord
12541 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 02/19/2008 6:09 PM |
| | I agree, Sirohk. Thinking on the fly is what makes a prerelease, so the less that is known, the better. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2045 Posts
Portland OR
| | 02/19/2008 7:04 PM |
| | especially the ghoul... Aren't they specifically created undead by one of the new death deities? Thought I read that in one of the new crap books. | |
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Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2045 Posts
Portland OR
| | 02/19/2008 8:00 PM |
| | Oh... Deathknights+EB= +23 for 55 vs keyworded... Still room for body guards... | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
12541 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 02/19/2008 11:21 PM |
| | I agree that most undead will be evil. Thing is, the evil outsiders are from the planes of evil. They are the standard-bearers and flagships of evil. They are the epitome and embodiment of evil. I think that that is part of the distinction that Wizards is trying to make. I'm good with it either way. | |
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