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I'd like to see more noncombatants in DDM (ie no drawn weapons or any
weapons at all). To make this work for DDM as well as RPG, they would
(obviously) be tech pieces that either enhance or weaken stats, help
score VP (ala Prisoner), or something new with 2.0. Here are a few ideas I have (mind you, this is with 1.0 in mind so the general idea would need to be translated to 2.0): 1. Gypsy Dancer - has a beguile or counter song ability 2. Damsel - very similar to the prisoner but for a LG faction (Civilization for 2.0) 3. Blacksmith - allies within X squares get +1 to atk or +1 to AC 4. King (man, I wish the new SWM Roan Fel didn't have a lightsaber)
- boost allies stats but would score double VP for enemy when destroyed 5. Apothecary - treats negative status and effects on allies and heals 6. Traveler/Wanderer - scout ability, grants something similar to Tactics for allies within X squares (probably just 1 use) 7. Greedy Merchant - scores double VP when it occupies a VA at the end of the round, but has the special ability jittery 8. Diplomat - negates VP scored in VA, similar to Diseased Dire Rat's Distracting Presence 9. Friar - allies within X squares get bonus against evil creatures 10. Queen - allies within X squares gain fearless. 11. Townsman - nothing special, just cheap fodder 12. Townswoman - nothing special, just cheap fodder 13. Magic Shopkeeper - grants random effects based on a d20 roll (magic weapon, flight, conceal, etc) 14. Falconer - enemies with X squares lose Conceal, Hide, and Invisibility 15. Thief - at the end of a round receives half of VP while adjacent
to an enemy in a VA and that enemy only receives half of the normal VP
(if VP at the end of the round is 10, the theif gets 5 and the enemy
gets 5). The Thief also scores normal VP as well (so, if the Thief is
in a VA is adjacent to an enemy creature in a VA in a 200 pt game, at
the end of the round, the Theif would score 15 VP while the enemy
creature would only score 5) 16. Scribe - bonus to init checks and an ability similar to the Standardbearer's Relay Orders 17. Scholar - grants a bonus against certain creature types (similar to knowledge checks in PRG) 18. Bard - grants bonuses to stats and negatives to enemy stats. Has
no weapon drawn, just their instrument (harp, lute, flute, etc) 19. Storyteller - causes negative status effects to enemies 20. Alchemist - not armed with a traditional weapon, but has vials
and bottles of various grenade like weapons (alchemist's fire, acid
flask, etc) 21. Lady at the Well - woman with large jug on her hip or head. Provides healing and cures to negative status 22. Village Midwife - ordinary looking villager that provides healing and cures to negative status 23. Woodsman/Hunter - able to set several types of traps 24. Witch - negative status on enemy creatures 25. Bagpiper - CG/LG version of Orc Wardrummer. Grants bonuses to warband | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Corim Danex
Warlord
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| | 02/16/2008 9:35 AM |
| | I love the idea of these NPC types | |
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AnarionZelle
Underboss
1094 Posts
USA
| | 02/16/2008 10:02 AM |
| I also think this is a terrific idea. Since it seems that all minis made must have some use in the skirmish game, this idea would be an elegant solution to the problem of introducing townsfolk minis. Almost gives it an "urban warfare" feel. Great job!
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The Fortress of Solitude
| | 02/16/2008 5:37 PM |
| | Put me in as another supporter of those wonderful ideas. Weaponless humanoids can easily be made useful in skirmish by the use of original ideas. And, of course, they will also be welcome by the RPG side. | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1497 Posts
Spain
| | 02/17/2008 2:45 AM |
| | Gypsy dancer?Man,what an incredible idea! I really like it. | |
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berus316
Sergeant
628 Posts
Markham, Ontario Canada
| | 02/17/2008 9:36 AM |
| | I'd be happy with these as well | |
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Wolfgang
Commander
2803 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 02/17/2008 5:48 PM |
| | i too would love to see these | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3495 Posts
West Virginia
| | 02/17/2008 6:59 PM |
| | Not something I really want, but I wouldn't mind seeing them in a set. It seems a lot of folks do want 'em. Would definitely be better than the Ettercap WTF, the Male Harpy, or the Legless Hydra. | |
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zoroaster100
Sergeant
873 Posts
| | 02/17/2008 7:26 PM |
| | Count me in as another strong supporter of this idea. Also, In particular I want these NPC types to be human as opposed to other races, though an occasional dwarf, elf or halfling is fine too. | |
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Arandae
Sergeant
699 Posts
UK
| | 02/18/2008 12:54 AM |
| Yes - genuinely unarmed noncombatants would be fantastic. These would fill an RPG gap nicely. (It would also help WotC break out of the rut of endlessly resculpting things they have already produced.)
I applaud your ingenuity in coming up with skirmish justifications for them. | |
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Username
Warlord
5557 Posts
| | 02/18/2008 6:16 AM |
| | And I should clarify that the thief also score normal VP plus whatever VP he steals. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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yack
Commander
3152 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
| | 02/18/2008 7:54 AM |
| | signed me up love the ideas maybe as uncommons though for most. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
5760 Posts
| | 02/18/2008 8:38 AM |
| | Frankly don't care much about the stats, but if it helps get us some UNARMED minis, I'm all for it! | |
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Pedro
Commander
3922 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 02/18/2008 12:28 PM |
| Good ideas!
I would like to see a wandering band of musicians, so a flute player, banjo player... and a nice not armed bard with a musical instrument. | |
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Username
Warlord
5557 Posts
| | 02/18/2008 5:34 PM |
| | Added a few more. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Champion of Lhesh Haruuc Shaarat'kor | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3831 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/19/2008 9:12 PM |
| | I'd like one or two a set that werent visibly armed | |
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Dimitris
Warrior
187 Posts
Athens - Greece
| | 02/20/2008 4:17 AM |
| I'd like them very much !!
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7067 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 02/20/2008 12:08 PM |
| I'm in the hearty Meh column. I'd like to see a few, but really, not too interested. Just make them good sculpts.
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Username
Warlord
5557 Posts
| | 02/20/2008 2:00 PM |
| | I'd love to see at least 2 noncombatants released in each set. I think it would add some good tech pieces and please RPGers. Trying to think of some more, and when I do, I will add them to the list. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Dordledum
Commander
3149 Posts
Netherlands
| | 02/21/2008 6:37 AM |
| add me to the list of believers,
D. | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1395 Posts
| | 02/24/2008 3:23 AM |
| Bring them on ! 2 or 3 of these in each set would be great.
Add a beggar, a prostitute, a clairvoyant, a mayor and a blacksmith. | |
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Username
Warlord
5557 Posts
| | 02/25/2008 7:40 AM |
| Origianally posted by PasSquall
Bring them on ! 2 or 3 of these in each set would be great.
Add a beggar, a prostitute, a clairvoyant, a mayor and a blacksmith.
Blacksmith is on the first ones on the list. I thought about a beggar and a clairvoyant/fortune teller, but haven't figured out the special abilities to go with them. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Champion of Lhesh Haruuc Shaarat'kor | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3495 Posts
West Virginia
| | 02/25/2008 8:33 AM |
| | Perhaps the beggar could mooch VPs from your opponent. | |
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Two thousand years later, Earth is reborn...
A strange new world rises from the old: a world of savagery, super science, and sorcery. But one man bursts his bonds to fight for justice! With his companions Ookla the Mok and Princess Ariel, he pits his strength, his courage, and his fabulous Sunsword against the forces of evil.
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Username
Warlord
5557 Posts
| | 02/25/2008 8:41 AM |
| Originally posted by Wraithborne
Perhaps the beggar could mooch VPs from your opponent.
Meh, too close to what the thief does, and I don't see someone from LE/CE giving VP away.
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Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Username
Warlord
5557 Posts
| | 03/10/2008 2:25 PM |
| Looks like Peter Lee has taken some interest:
http://www.hordelings.com/forums/postView.php?viewPage=0&post_id=130411 | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Champion of Lhesh Haruuc Shaarat'kor | |
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Temperance
Sergeant
502 Posts
| | 03/10/2008 11:36 PM |
| Ah, didn't realize the thread was over here too.
Yup, I'm all for a limited number of noncombatants. The important thing for me is that the figure can serve multiple roles in a game -- I think a general apron-wearing "shopkeeper" is more likely to get approved than an armorsmith or a bartender. Likewise, a general noble is better than a king or a prince.
The one area that I need more thought on is a strong case for a "maiden" figure. There hasn't been a very good female noncombatant figure yet, and I'd like to change that. (I don't count the Cleric of Sune as a noncombatant.) Perhaps it is as simple as having a figure named "Villager" and be a woman in a dress, but I feel that we're missing out on a good wide-scope figure. (And before you suggest it, I don't consider "bar maid" to be a very wide scope.)
Also, the first process to get a figure made is the art order -- this is the physical description of the miniature. Giving game rules right away is a bit premature; before that I need a solid concept for the looks of a figure. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
5760 Posts
| | 03/11/2008 7:05 AM |
| 
4th one from left to right would be a good basic start.
Is a common dog a freakin utitility character? How about a war dog? Blink dog? ANY MEDIUM DOG? | |
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Username
Warlord
5557 Posts
| | 03/11/2008 7:08 AM |
| Is a common dog a freakin utitility character? How about a war dog? Blink dog? ANY MEDIUM DOG?
We got an iron defender! (that's a metal dog)
But yah, I think I would like to see a DDM dog type mini (hound, mastiff, pit bull, etc). | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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greyhaze
Warlord
5760 Posts
| | 03/11/2008 7:43 AM |
| *shudder* metal dogs are not what I had in mind.
The Krenshar and Shadow Mastiff are close, but rather extreme, just an ordinary looking dog would rock. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
8888 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 03/12/2008 4:54 AM |
| Human child or small group of human children. Basicaly the weakest 3 point piece ever, but boosts its warband's adult humans. Old faction would be LG/CG, new faction not sure.
spd 4, AC 4, HP 5
no melee or ranged attacks, and cannot make attacks of opportunity (none of this oa stuff for me, please)
special abilities:
unique
human allies gain attack +1, save +1 (I guess it's def +1 now) | |
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Username
Warlord
5557 Posts
| | 03/13/2008 3:44 PM |
| | Peter has already said no to children in DDM. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
Username - he deals in minis
Champion of Lhesh Haruuc Shaarat'kor | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
5760 Posts
| | 03/13/2008 7:36 PM |
| Child Swarm! ;)
That way you chop down hundreds of em in a go! | |
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Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Demon Web, Darkenbeast in Feywild. | |
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Pedro
Commander
3922 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 03/14/2008 4:00 AM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 03/13/2008 7:36 PM
Child Swarm! ;)
That way you chop down hundreds of em in a go!
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Ghendar
Warlord
11102 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 03/14/2008 4:32 AM |
| Posted By Corim Danex on 02/16/2008 9:35 AM
I love the idea of these NPC types
I love the idea from an RPG perspective. It would be nice to set up a battle in a town and not have to use dice to represent the townsfolk. | |
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Knight of the
Round Table
Thenameless
Warlord
8888 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 03/15/2008 3:17 AM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 03/13/2008 7:36 PM
Child Swarm! ;)
That way you chop down hundreds of em in a go!
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greyhaze
Warlord
5760 Posts
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VFults
Sneak
101 Posts
| | 03/16/2008 12:44 PM |
| It shouldn't be hard to do dual purposed figures that could serve as townsfolk. Peter has ruled out children minis and I understand WOTC's rationale for it. However it should be easy to do a few unarmored/unarmed figures and still make them useful in skirmish.
1. Merchant. the sketch of Mirt the Moneylender from Forgotten Realms would be perfect for this. Call him a wizard, rogue, shopkeeper, spy, whatever, and give him some skirmish stats that'll make him a decent uncommon.
2. Maiden. In the preview book for 4E characters, there is a picture of a blonde woman wearing a cloak, halter top, and skirt. She's identified as a wizard. Modify the figure so she's wearing a dress, call her a wizard for skirmish, and we have our maiden.
3. Wanderer. Just a figure wearing traveling clothes and a pack; maybe a dagger at his belt. He could be a warlock, rogue, wizard, sage, spy, whatever for skirmish stats.
4. Thugs/Lowlifes. Make some unarmored male and female figures in action poses but keep their swords or daggers sheathed. Cheap skirmish brawlers/rogues/whathaveyou and rpg gets tavern patrons!
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Dordledum
Commander
3149 Posts
Netherlands
| | 03/20/2008 5:31 AM |
| Posted By Username on 03/13/2008 3:44 PM
Peter has already said no to children in DDM.
Who needs em if we have halflings and gnomes?
D.
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Underboss
2076 Posts
| | 03/20/2008 6:56 AM |
| | more non combatants would be great. a musician playing a lute would be great. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
5760 Posts
| | 03/20/2008 7:05 AM |
| Posted By Dordledum on 03/20/2008 5:31 AM
Who needs em if we have halflings and gnomes?
How about unarmed male & female peasant looking halfling. Those would serve both purposes, for children stand-ins and halfling noncombatants. | |
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Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Demon Web, Darkenbeast in Feywild. | |
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