JodyJ
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 | | 03/01/2008 5:41 PM |
| http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35811
Quoting Massawyrm:
So what’s wrong with dragons? Well, for starters, there is longer any dragons smaller than LARGE size. To many of you that won’t mean anything. But to those of us who have collected Dungeons and dragon Minis from way back in harbinger – we’ve just gotten screwed. I have a whole drawer of small and medium dragons that no longer serve any use. I mean, I guess I can paint them and use them as drakes. But not as dragons. Especially since many of them weren’t exactly easy to come by. That got me a little pissy.
I was bound to get some guesses wrong but it looks like I called this one correctly.
Personally I'm fine with it. I could never get all that jazzed about 6 PCs surrounding and beating on a dragon just barely bigger than our dog.
Also many of the Medium minis fit perfectly fine on a large base (40mm Games Workshop special). Medium Brass has always been on one for me.
As a side note his comments on the Minions make it neccesary for getting maybe 12-24 of some of those Commons.
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| | 03/01/2008 6:18 PM |
| | That's okay, I've always felt that dragons should be larger than humans/humanoids. Being bigger makes things more imposing. Don't give up hope, they might still make wyrmlings in the future - I mean the big dragons have to come from somewhere don't they? | |
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Username
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5557 Posts
| | 03/01/2008 9:27 PM |
| | I wish they would still make medium dragons. I don't see the use from small or tiny dragons. | |
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Raland
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877 Posts
| | 03/02/2008 6:49 AM |
| | Sad news, I too hope they will return to making medium sized dragons. A Medium blue has been atop my wish list for some time. | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3495 Posts
West Virginia
| | 03/02/2008 7:22 AM |
| I wasn't a big fan of the smalls and tinys, but will miss the Mediums.
The medium Black is still the best looking dragon that they've ever made. | |
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Pedro
Commander
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| | 03/02/2008 8:09 AM |
| | I am a big fan of tiny and small dragons. I hope they will continue releasing them in next sets. | |
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iluvxtina
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1497 Posts
Spain
| | 03/02/2008 10:59 AM |
| | Small and medium dragons existance is a matter of pure logic.A current large dragon was always smaller in the past.And ,as a dungeon master, I do not put a lot of large dragons during my campaings because it would be very dangerous for the Players.Smaller dragons are more viable so, we need more of them. I like all sizes but obviously,the larger the dragon is, the cooler it is. | |
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yack
Commander
3152 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
| | 03/02/2008 11:16 AM |
| | Never a tint or small fan but mediums was cool. Thank god I repainted a few coppers to be reds. But a blue would of been nice. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1777 Posts
Portland OR
| | 03/02/2008 1:13 PM |
| I waited and waited and waited for a med blue that never came... I was really hopeful for LE after I saw what they started doing with the new dragons.
I would like to see med as the smallest personally... Too small isn't really exciting... | |
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Nobody Important
Sergeant
718 Posts
| | 03/02/2008 4:25 PM |
| It DnD 3.5 Large Dragons indicated a CR around 10 which I feel is about right. Sure the smaller dragons could be encountered by weaker parties but when the dragon was about the same size as you then you could be pretty sure you could handle it. If the RPG only uses large+ dragons the game will lose something.
Now with the skirmish game I can certainly see making all dragons large if for no other reason than to keep them impressive. I like the appearance of the medium sized dragons I have well enough but unfortunatelythey don't really convey DRAGON to me nearly as well as the larger ones do.
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greyhaze
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5760 Posts
| | 03/02/2008 4:36 PM |
| | I think the tiny and small dragons were being used as minions, so having tiny, small and medium dragons was fine with me. It seems odd that they begin as large creatures, that's one big egg... | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3831 Posts
Adelaide
| | 03/02/2008 5:54 PM |
| Meh, Glad I use home brew rules I guess.
Too much fantasty literature has smaller than large dragons for me to ignore in my worlds. Sad that no more minis for them. | |
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| | 03/03/2008 8:33 AM |
| I'll still use mediums. Small and tiny, I agree, seems illogical.
Really, if I wanted to kick a cat sized creature, I'd kick a cat.
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| | 03/12/2008 4:59 AM |
| Posted By iluvxtina on 03/02/2008 10:59 AM
Small and medium dragons existance is a matter of pure logic.
We must never use this argument when talking about D&D or DDM, as so much of it already defies reason | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4636 Posts
New York
| | 03/12/2008 6:06 AM |
| Very upset to hear that we will never get a Tiny White, Tiny Black and Medium Blue. Im really dissapointed. Those were very high on my want list. :( | |
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Underboss
2076 Posts
| | 03/12/2008 6:31 AM |
| | hopefully they create a new drake that look like the small/medium/tiny dragons. I agree that it became very silly at the end of a first/second level dungeon to fight a house cat sized dragon. I do feel howver there is room for them as minions of some kind | |
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shoesan
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Beaufort, SC
| | 03/12/2008 7:14 AM |
| Posted By Thenameless on 03/12/2008 4:59 AM Posted By iluvxtina on 03/02/2008 10:59 AM
Small and medium dragons existance is a matter of pure logic.
We must never use this argument when talking about D&D or DDM, as so much of it already defies reason
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Teflon Jeff
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| | 03/12/2008 11:30 AM |
| Posted By Thenameless on 03/12/2008 4:59 AM Posted By iluvxtina on 03/02/2008 10:59 AM
Small and medium dragons existance is a matter of pure logic.
We must never use this argument when talking about D&D or DDM, as so much of it already defies reason 
That always reminds me of the following exchange...
Sadly,
you really cant do too much for high jumps without breaking serious laws of
physics. Even the highest high jumpers in real life dont get very high.
Vaalingrade Ashland: I play a magical elf who uses bat guano to throw fireballs
at my enemies. The laws of physics left a while ago.
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Username
Warlord
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| | 03/17/2008 11:43 AM |
| Very upset to hear that we will never get a Tiny White, Tiny Black and Medium Blue.
Im really dissapointed. Those were very high on my want list. :(
I can do w/o the tinies, but I would have like to have a medium blue. | |
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Teflon Jeff
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| | 03/17/2008 2:34 PM |
| I'll agree, a med. Blue would have been grand.
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Ghendar
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| | 03/18/2008 4:48 AM |
| | No more dragons smaller than large? I missed that. Hmmm, have to think on this. | |
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JodyJ
Warrior
257 Posts
| | 05/30/2008 8:08 PM |
| Based on the 4e MM there is room in the game for dragons smaller than large, but the MM only lists Dragons as Adult-large, Elder-huge, and Ancient-Gargantuan.
Like most of the creatures stats can be somewhat fluid and you could make up some small or medium dragons and they'd be elites, standard, or even minions. They just didn't make it in the limited space of the 4e MM (along with a couple hundred other 'core' creatures). | |
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zenthrus
Commander
4788 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 05/30/2008 8:25 PM |
| Just because they aren't in the MM1 doesn't mean they won't be space filler in the MM2/MM3/MM4/etc.
I expect medium and smaller dragons will still be made. They'll just not be made frequently (not that they ever were made frequently).
I still need a tiny white dragon for the Sunless Citadel and a tiny black for another adventure (can't remember for sure which one atm). | |
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MarioCleanstuff
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319 Posts
San Diego, CA
| | 05/30/2008 10:26 PM |
| | I don't expect them below Medium, given that the 4e MM says that dragons are born the size of a grown human. | |
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Teflon Jeff
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| | 05/31/2008 6:43 PM |
| I'm expecting to see mediums, eventually...
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