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03/18/2008 6:08 PM  
Here's the official stuff from their website:
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG


Paizo Publishing® Announces the Pathfinder RPG


Pathfinder™ to continue under the 3.5 rules.

 

Tuesday, March 19th, 2008


Paizo Publishing today unveiled the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, a tabletop fantasy roleplaying game that will serve as the anchor for the company's popular line of Pathfinder adventures, sourcebooks, and campaigns. Today marks the beginning of a year-long Open Playtest of the new rules, which are based upon the popular 3.5 rules available under the Open Game License. The Pathfinder RPG is designed with backward compatibility as one of its primary goals, so players will continue to enjoy their lifelong fantasy gaming hobby without invalidating their entire game library. The first Pathfinder RPG Alpha release is available now as a free 65-page PDF download at paizo.com/pathfinderRPG. Until the finished Pathfinder RPG's release as a hardcover rulebook in August 2009, all of Paizo's popular Pathfinder-brand products will continue under the current 3.5 rules set.


"I'm really excited to work with the playtesters to make this the best game possible," said Jason Bulmahn, Paizo's Lead Designer. "In the spirit of the Open Game movement, the Pathfinder RPG is really your roleplaying game. It's a huge thrill to get to lead the design process."


Paizo will issue additional Pathfinder RPG Alpha releases in the coming months, covering new changes and additions to the 3.5 rules. Gamers can download, read, and participate in the free open playtest by setting up a paizo.com account and joining the discussion with Paizo's design staff at paizo.com/pathfinderRPG. The Pathfinder RPG will be backward-compatible with the 3.5 rules, and the staff has kept this goal as a primary focus since design began in 2007.


This coming August, Paizo will release a massive, full-color, softcover Pathfinder RPG Beta release for $24.99. This book will be available on paizo.com, at Gen Con, as well as through hobby distribution at local game stores. Just like the Alpha releases, the Beta release will be available as a free PDF download on paizo.com. As Wizards of the Coast's core 3.5 rulebooks are expected to go out of print with the release of 4th Edition, Paizo will use the Pathfinder RPG as a replacement for the 3.5 core rules. The Pathfinder RPG Beta release will represent Paizo's first published take on an updated 3.5 system, and playtesting will continue through spring 2009, when Paizo will incorporate the open playtest feedback and create a hardcover Pathfinder RPG for release in the hobby trade, bookstores, and paizo.com in August 2009.


Paizo hopes to support 4th Edition with fan-created online conversions of its Pathfinder products and a complete line from its partner company, Necromancer Games, a trend-setter in the original Open Gaming movement. Necromancer has already announced a new 4th Edition version of their award-winning Tome of Horrors monster encyclopedia, and has plans for additional player and GM support products.


Today, Paizo also announced the hiring of Nicolas Logue to run the Pathfinder Society organized play campaign, a massive mega-campaign to launch at this year's Gen Con. The Pathfinder Society will feature events at major conventions, retail stores, and home play as a way to involve thousands of players in a constantly evolving campaign environment fueled by downloadable scenarios released by Paizo. Nicolas Logue is a long-time Paizo contributor to the print versions of Dragon and Dungeon as well as the Pathfinder Adventure Paths and Pathfinder Modules line. He also co-runs an annual competition at Gen Con called Iron DM that will continue to be co-run by Nicolas Logue and his Iron DM compatriots. Nick begins working at Paizo in April.


"Nicolas Logue is one of the most energetic, personable gamers I have ever met," said Erik Mona, Paizo's Publisher and the co-founder during his tenure at Wizards of the Coast of Living Greyhawk, the largest organized play RPG campaign in history. "Running a successful organized play campaign involves a magical combination of cool ideas, organizational skills, and enthusiasm. Nick is absolutely the perfect man for the job, and I'm thrilled that he will be joining us here at Paizo."


Additional information on the Pathfinder Society campaign can be found at paizo.com/pathfindersociety.



From the CEO:

 

Dear Friends of Paizo:


First of all, I'd like to thank you for your continuing loyalty and support of Paizo Publishing. In the past year, we've successfully transitioned from the magazine publishing business to become one of the most popular roleplaying publishers in the industry. Through this difficult time, you've been supporting us with your purchases, giving us your feedback through our messageboards, and generally doing your best to build us up. Without you, Paizo couldn't and wouldn't exist, and for that, I and my employees thank you.


Today, we have announced our decision to create the Pathfinder RPG, the flagship game system for all of our Pathfinder products. This roleplaying game will be based on the Open Game License (OGL) and the 3.5 SRD released by Wizards of the Coast. We came to this decision by listening to you, our customers, and also listening to our own hearts. Our Pathfinder Chronicles campaign setting was designed around the tropes and values of classic fantasy roleplaying, and the Pathfinder Adventure Path books were designed to provide the best gaming experience using the 3.5 system. After careful evaluation of our options, we believe that the 3.5 core will continue to be the best system to tell the stories we've got planned for Pathfinder.


What's got me really jazzed about the Pathfinder RPG is the fact that, for the first time that I'm aware of in the history of RPGs, there is a fully open playtest available to anyone who wants to get involved! There are no secret playtest groups bound by non-disclosure agreements—anybody who wants to contribute to the process can do so, just by signing up for an account on paizo.com, downloading a FREE PDF of the playtest rules, and telling us—and the rest of the world—what you think. By basing the Pathfinder RPG on the 3.5 SRD, we are taking advantage of the fact that tens of thousands of GMs all over the world have already been playing this game system and have some great ideas about how to improve what we think is already the best rules system in the business. With this kind of brainpower behind the Pathfinder RPG, I know that when we release the finished product in August 2009, it will be the best game that it can be!


We're thrilled to be able to provide continuing support for the most ubiquitous edition of the world's most popular roleplaying game. Paizo will have a steady stream of new products available for 3.5 and the Pathfinder RPG, and this summer, we're even launching an organized play program: The Pathfinder Society, which will be headed up by our good friend Nicolas Logue.


We're sure that lots of roleplayers are going to be thrilled with Wizards of the Coast's upcoming 4th Edition, and we're also looking forward to the 4th Edition products that our partner Necromancer Games will be creating. Paizo may also publish 4th Edition products in the future, but if we do, they won't cross over with our Pathfinder products. We know our fans are a creative bunch, though, so we fully expect to see our community create 4th Edition conversion notes for our Pathfinder products—in fact, some of our fans have already started working on 4E conversions of the Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path, as well as one of our first standalone modules.


I'd like to ask that you continue your support of Paizo by getting involved. Help us playtest the Pathfinder RPG. Plan on joining the Pathfinder Society and helping us develop our new organized play network. Consider subscribing to the Pathfinder product lines that appeal to you. If you patronize a local game store, make sure they know what our plans are, and tell them you're supporting us. One of the very best things you can do is spread the word: if each current Pathfinder fan could find just one new person who might like what we are doing, it would help us tremendously. Finally, please continue to be the best fans in the world.


Again, thanks for all that you have done for us in the past. We look forward to helping you run the best RPG games for years to come. We wouldn't be where we are without you, and we hope our gaming paths will continue to cross long into the future.


—Lisa Stevens
March 18, 2008



From the Publisher:

 

Friends,


Today, Paizo announced the open playtest of the new Pathfinder RPG, a backward-compatible full-service fantasy roleplaying game based on the 3.5 Open Game License. You can download a FREE 65-page Pathfinder RPG Alpha Release PDF right now, to get an idea of our initial thoughts and changes, and we've opened up a new messageboard to collect your ideas, opinions, and suggestions on where the game goes from here.


At this year's Gen Con, we plan to release a print version of the complete Pathfinder RPG Beta Release, which we'll also be giving away as a free PDF download here at paizo.com in August. In the spirit of the Open Gaming movement, the Pathfinder RPG is truly your RPG. We're very interested in your feedback on what in the core 3.5 rules should and shouldn't change, and we'll incorporate many of your suggestions into the finished Pathfinder RPG, which will debut at Gen Con 2009 as a deluxe hardcover book.


Until then, our Pathfinder Adventure Path products will continue to be written for the core 3.5 rules. This includes Curse of the Crimson Throne (the current Adventure Path), Second Darkness (which begins this August), and the Adventure Path which launches in February 2009. Beginning in August 2009, our Pathfinder products will be written to take advantage of the enhancements found in the Pathfinder RPG while retaining compatibility with the core 3.5 rules. Backward compatibility is such an important design goal for the Pathfinder RPG that a character in one system will be able to fight a monster in the other without requiring significant conversion work on your part. You will still be able to use your entire library of 3.5 material with minimal (or even no) conversion. Pathfinder Modules, the Pathfinder Companion, and Pathfinder Chronicles supplements will likewise be written for the core 3.5 rules set until August 2009, after which they will be developed with the Pathfinder RPG in mind (which, remember, will be fully compatible with 3.5).


We know that many of our readers are looking forward to 4th Edition. We still plan to release an entire line of 4th Edition products through our partnership with Necromancer Games, including a brand new Tome of Horrors hardcover monster anthology, adventures, and other exciting products. (Much of this support will depend, of course, upon the terms of the still-in-development Game System License from Wizards of the Coast, but we remain hopeful that Paizo will be a major player in the 4th Edition arena as well.) But we believe that the 3.5 rules provide the best core system for our Pathfinder products, best allowing us to tell the kinds of stories you've come to expect from us.


Basing the Pathfinder RPG on 3.5 also allows Paizo more control over our destiny than simply following along with the latest edition and the newest licensing changes. The 3.5 OGL is eternal; it provides us access to a great game loved by Paizo's entire editorial staff and most of its customers, and it allows us to keep moving forward at our current pace. We also know our customers have invested a lot of time and money into the 3.5 system; we believe that the Pathfinder RPG and its open playtest will allow us to make the best RPG even better, and to give new life to the 3.5 products you already own. We feel we've made the responsible choice for our business and for our customers—a balance we've managed consistently since Paizo began more than five years ago.


I hope you'll join us in the months and years to come. Pathfinder has been a tremendous success story in large part because our audience stuck with us after the conclusion of our license to produce Dragon and Dungeon magazines. I've been with Paizo since the very first day we opened, and I can say with authority that right now we're producing better, more exciting products than at any time in our history. This is a great time to be a part of our staff, and I hope you agree that it's a great time to be a Paizo customer.


So, how can you help? First (and most importantly), if our decision appeals to you I strongly urge you to subscribe to the Pathfinder product lines that interest you. Also, keep an eye on paizo.com for exciting new Pathfinder RPG playtest releases and information about our upcoming Pathfinder Society organized play campaign. Finally, tell your local retailer about our decision to continue supporting 3.5, and that we believe 3.5 products from Paizo and other companies will continue to sell well into the future.


We're in this for the long run, and we plan to publish products for the Pathfinder RPG—for your RPG—for years to come. But we can't do it without you.


I hope you'll join us in this exciting new campaign.


—Erik Mona
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From the Lead Designer:

 

Introduction


Welcome to the first release of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. Let me start by saying thank you for taking a look at these rules. We here at Paizo have been working hard to make this game the fantasy roleplaying game you want to play—a game where dragons live in dungeons, goblins lurk in the forest, and noble knights ride off to undertake perilous quests. It can be all of these things and more, depending on the style of game you want it to be. These rules can be used to run a game of high intrigue set in the court of a dying king or they can be used to chronicle the desperate struggle for survival on the borderlands of an evil empire. It all depends on you and your imagination.


This is the first of a number of Alpha releases to culminate in a standalone rules set. Right now, this release gives you the basics of the system that, when combined with the 3.5 rules, allows you to begin play immediately. In the coming weeks, new releases will contain even more parts of the game, covering all the standard classes, spells, magic items, and everything else you need to have a complete campaign. But I don't want this game to develop in a vacuum. I need your help to make this the best game possible.


Before I get into how you can help, it might be best to explain the history and design goals of the Pathfinder RPG. These rules guided me through the design process, and they should help you as you play the game.

 

History & Design Goals


Back in October 2007, I began a small side project. Since 4th Edition had recently been announced, I began to wonder how many people would stick with the 3.5 rules set. Everyone could agree that 3.5 needed some work, but the system itself was mostly sound. I thought that those folks might want some updated rules, since support was beginning to wane. What started out as a simple side project soon turned into an obsession as the rules document got longer every day. When Paizo started looking for alternatives, my side project was a natural fit, leading us to where we are today.


When work first began on the Pathfinder RPG, I set down a number of principles to guide me. Since this game is based off the 3.5 rules set, I wanted to make sure that it stayed true to the original vision of the game. When taking a look at these rules, please keep the following guidelines in mind as they might help you understand the changes that were made.


Improve the Game:
The 3.5 rules set is excellent, but it has its flaws. Over the past few years, a number of common problems have seemed to crop up again and again, problems that delay the game or cause no end of arguments (grapple and polymorph, for example). I wanted the Pathfinder RPG to clean up these rules, by streamlining in places and adding options in others. You can still grapple in the Pathfinder RPG, but it is no longer the huge headache that it was. I also worked to even out some of the choices. A number of 3.5 skills are far less valuable than others, making them suboptimal choices. In my experience, few rogues took Forgery, but Spot was an incredibly common choice. These rules work to even out some of these choices. So while you might still take Perception over Linguistics, the latter is now a far more useful choice than it was before.


Add Options:
Just before design began, a friend of mine asked me why no one ever seemed to take rogue beyond 2nd level or fighter beyond 4th level. This got me thinking. Far too many of the basic classes lose their luster after just a few levels, leading most players to take a host of other classes or a number of prestige classes. While this option is still available, I wanted to add more to all the classes, to give each one of them a reason to be followed up through 20th level. To this end, I have tried to add options to the game whenever possible. This is a tricky path to walk, though. Too many options and you end up with overly complicated classes. Too few and players get bored of their class. This principle goes beyond class powers, as well. From sundering to magic items, there are now more options and choices to make than ever before, each one opening up whole new avenues of character and adventure design.


Compatibility:
Of all the goals I set out with when designing this game, compatibility ranked near the top. I wanted to make sure that any rules we changed were adaptable to the extensive body of work that exists for the 3.5 rules set. In addition to being compatible, I wanted to ensure that any conversion work would be minimal. In most cases, this meant adding to existing rules, instead of subtracting. So, while we changed the way turning undead works, we did not remove turning undead from the game. We added options to the fighter without removing any of them. This design philosophy doesn't always hold true, however. Some skills were combined and a few disappeared altogether (goodbye Use Rope). Whenever I broke this rule, it was because the other guidelines took precedence.

 

What's Next?


That's simple. Play. Incorporate these rules into your existing campaign or start up a whole new campaign using these rules to influence your decisions. We want to know what works and what needs more work, and we can't think of a better way to do that than getting thousands of gamers to help. As we release more rules, incorporate those into your game as well.


Your feedback and playtest reports will be used to help tune these rules. Your experiences will help guide the design from this point forward. By this coming August, we will offer the Beta release of these rules. These rules will hit our website as a free PDF and as a standalone book. While these rules will be approaching their final state, we want to leave the door open for some additional changes and revisions along the way, culminating in the finished Pathfinder RPG, to be released in August 2009. At that point, all Pathfinder products, including Pathfinder, the Pathfinder Companion, the Pathfinder Modules, and Pathfinder Chronicles supplements will convert to these rules. For more information on this process, including how to get involved and where to submit feedback, see the Playtesting chapter at the end of this document.


Once again, thank you for investigating the Pathfinder RPG. We look forward to hearing from you.


—Jason Bulmahn
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03/18/2008 6:30 PM  
Wow! Looks like Paizo is rushing in to scoop up any fans that WotC has cast off in the past year. Even more they are willing to make the changes that WotC has balked at. This could really end up being something big. We will have to see how many people were just looking for a polished version of 3.5 rather than a completely new game.

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03/18/2008 6:40 PM  
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03/18/2008 6:55 PM  
Rockin good news

I was hoping that they wouldn't forget their 3.5 fans.

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03/18/2008 8:43 PM  
Hmmm ...

Interesting news.  Not sure how to take it quite yet.

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03/18/2008 9:12 PM  

This news fiils me with glee.

Consider me one of the folks who didnt want to switch and was happy with 3.5

I am all over this!!


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03/18/2008 9:13 PM  
I'm pretty stoked. With a company like Paizo sticking it out, it gives me hope for a couple others to do so as well. I gave the 1st Alpha download a skim and noticed some of the changes were stuff we were already doing with house rules.

I like that the playtesting is open to anyone (and free!!)and it looks like they will be putting a lot more emphasis on organized play. It's also a nice feeling to have a positive outlook for something rpg related.

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03/18/2008 11:29 PM  
Interesting news.

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03/19/2008 3:41 AM  
I am so pleased about this. I hope it does well in the face of 4E.

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03/19/2008 4:58 AM  
Wow that is great news..... didn't get into the first pathfinder but was a loyal Dungeon fan. This is awesome..... too bad about Goodman Games going to 4th ed. so this could be my change right here back to Paizo.

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03/19/2008 5:46 AM  
sounds like they are covering all bases. necromancer games is going 4th edition so they get the 4th edition crowd and they are hoping if they create a 3.5 pathfinder book that the 3.5 people wil flock to their game system. the paizo modules were good 3.5 modules that didnt get a lot of credit. wont be difficult to convert to either game

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03/19/2008 6:45 AM  
This is (IMO) exactly what WotC should have done. Support your popular product (don't bash it) while still promote your new shiny toy...

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03/19/2008 7:00 AM  
Wow...I will have to look into this further. Thanks for pointing this out to us. I am interested in learning more.

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Posted By Shottglazz on 03/19/2008 6:45 AM
This is (IMO) exactly what WotC should have done. Support your popular product (don't bash it) while still promote your new shiny toy...
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03/19/2008 9:01 AM  
Posted By greyhaze on 03/19/2008 8:29 AM
Posted By Shottglazz on 03/19/2008 6:45 AM
This is (IMO) exactly what WotC should have done. Support your popular product (don't bash it) while still promote your new shiny toy...


Agreed 100%
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03/19/2008 10:24 AM  
While I'm still pretty sure 4.0 will win out, the fact that a pretty big company like Paizo is going to support 3.5 will really help those who don't plan to convert in the near future. It may also provide imeptus for others to take advantage of the d20 OGL.

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03/19/2008 12:29 PM  
This just makes me wonder if WotC won't just pull the 3.5 OGL.

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03/19/2008 2:02 PM  
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 03/19/2008 12:29 PM
This just makes me wonder if WotC won't just pull the 3.5 OGL.


Yeah, call me conspiracy-theorist, but my guess is that if 4e doesn't do well we might see WoTC/Hasbro take action to correct any support of 3.5 ed. Having said that I'm happy to see 3.5 support though. It is good to know that.

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03/19/2008 2:13 PM  
Well there's always Runequest as far as OGL stuff goes.

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03/19/2008 3:23 PM  
I doubt they can pull the existing OGL.
Though they could get more stringent about IP and the like.

I can see this as happy news for many 3.5 fans.

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03/19/2008 4:12 PM  
I am quite pleased that this project is being done and is open for playtesting and feedback from us. I will be downloading the rulebook and taking a look at it.

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03/19/2008 7:30 PM  
Interesting discussion. I think that 3.5 is a very good system, but most people will still switch. There's also the thing where people new to gaming will just buy what's on the shelf (4.0). We should take a poll on how many people are still playing 3.X in a year (or two or three).

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03/19/2008 8:33 PM  
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 03/19/2008 12:29 PM
This just makes me wonder if WotC won't just pull the 3.5 OGL.


Pretty sure that I read that it was written in such a way that they can't pull it.

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03/19/2008 9:08 PM  
I have been skimming through Pathfinder, and I like some things but I am not liking a lot of it. It's reminding me of some of the things I don't like about 4e and 3.5.

The artwork is of poor taste, with a oversized weaponry and females not wearing much of anything and the elves have really big Warcraft ears.

Another thing I really don't like about it is that it is going overboard with power. Munchkinization overboard. I am not talking power combos, but the classes and feats and so forth themselves. Everything is powered up.

I don't like the mention of bloodlines for sorcerers--it reminds me of a major thing I don't like about 4e warlocks.

Oh, well. I was excited but I don't believe that me saying anything would have much sway. The art is already done, for example. The whole flavor of the rules is powered up.

I just don't get it how so many designers think, ooooh, make it powerfuler and kewler dood.

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03/20/2008 12:16 AM  
Posted By Corim Danex on 03/19/2008 9:08 PM


I don't like the mention of bloodlines for sorcerers--it reminds me of a major thing I don't like about 4e warlocks.



There has always been an implied supernatural bloodline for sorcerers, resulting in their natural penchant for magic.  Is it specifically the evil origins that you do not like?

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03/20/2008 1:40 AM  
I am very very very pleased with the news.

In fact I was expecting a move like this. I was writing about this option 5 years ago. If 1 or 2 companies with the necessary funds use the OGL at this point they may anchor the standard system for D&D-like worlds to 3.5 (and the 4.0 will be just another RPG system).

I am not saying that the 3.5 is the best system in the world. But, the companies could make corrections, adaptations, polishing, tailor the rules to worlds etc and, at the end produce Worlds, Adventures, Campaigns, optional add-ons, alternative options etc and not re-publish all the standard material.

I am not saying that I like the rules for grapple. I don't like the game beyond the 10th-12th level too. But, I don't like to hear the people in WotC advertise all the weaknesses of the system. Personally I don't see anything that couldn't be fixed with a few updates.

The 3.5 is a really flexible system. In my opinion it deserves to become the standard. See for example: there was an adaptation of the 3.5 to Conan RPG.

I recall that someone in WotC admitted that they didn't like the way that the other companies exploit the OGL. I am sure that the next OGL will be much more restricted. The opportunity to get an open standard for RPG D&D-flavor worlds is now.

And let me say that if 4.0ed don't have the success they want between the WoW players, I wouldn't bet for its future. Hasbro could just sell it to PAIZO. :)

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03/20/2008 10:54 AM  
An interesting move. I tried the 4.0 sample game from xp last night and I can't say that it really struck me as all that great. I'll have to check things out when the paizo site comes back up.

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03/20/2008 11:32 AM  
Posted By Wraithborne on 03/19/2008 8:33 PM
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 03/19/2008 12:29 PM
This just makes me wonder if WotC won't just pull the 3.5 OGL.


Pretty sure that I read that it was written in such a way that they can't pull it.


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So, if you already released it, you're only held to that license for that product. But they can end the license by Modifying, such that you could only redistribute or modify previous works already released. This would stop new works, although it may depend on how far they'd allow "modify" to be extrapolated.

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03/20/2008 11:52 AM  
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 03/20/2008 11:32 AM
Posted By Wraithborne on 03/19/2008 8:33 PM
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 03/19/2008 12:29 PM
This just makes me wonder if WotC won't just pull the 3.5 OGL.


Pretty sure that I read that it was written in such a way that they can't pull it.


Updating the License: Wizards or its designated Agents may publish updated versions of this License. You may use any authorized version of this License to copy, modify and distribute any Open Game Content originally distributed under any version of this License.

So, if you already released it, you're only held to that license for that product. But they can end the license by Modifying, such that you could only redistribute or modify previous works already released. This would stop new works, although it may depend on how far they'd allow "modify" to be extrapolated.

 
Which is what happens when I post about remembering something someone posted once that I can't recall the veracity of.

I gotta say, if they took it that far, I'd prolly just quit buying any of their stuff. Not that they haven't already proved they don't want most of my $$.

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03/20/2008 11:57 AM  
Agreed, it is a rather radical step. odds are, they would actually licence the engine entirely to Paizo before they did that. (See KenzerCo's Hackmaster for an example)

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03/20/2008 1:28 PM  
That's very nice news. Glad to hear.

And I am for oversized weaponry:)

Now, we still need a good manga-style RPG.

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03/20/2008 2:38 PM  
Not manga!!!! :(
I miss the old school Final Fantasy before that took over.... please don't drag that into D&D. Just make a whole seperate game for manga lovers. (Can you tell I'm not a fan) :)

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I like many genres.

I always try to find the good and positive aspects in every one of them so I can enjoy it, be it western, action, fantasy, sci-fi or whodunnits. I like both DnD, Warcraft and Tolkien: although every one of them is different, they each have something very cool about them, something that interests me. I, of course, have one look of for example an elf that I like the most, but the fact that the elf has wider and longer ears somewhere does not force me to hate the setting just because of this small thing...I enjoy watching adventurers beat a big dragon (or, more accurately, watching the dragon beat the hell out of the adventurers) in DnD as I enjoy watching Jedi defend some innocent pitoresque aliens as I enjoy seeing Cloud or Squall beat robots and beasts like Malboro or Couerl.

Every setting has its own qualities and hating something just because the sword is 30cm longer than it should be is wrong. If you try it and don't like it, then ok. But with anything new, you need to accept the paradigm the setting shows you and not see it through the old one, because then, it will of course seem wrong.

So the summary is that there are pros and cons to every setting and I'm not going to limit myself to only one if I like more of them...



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Not manga!!!! :(
I miss the old school Final Fantasy before that took over.... please don't drag that into D&D. Just make a whole seperate game for manga lovers. (Can you tell I'm not a fan) :)

No, I don't want mixing. A separate game would be nice.

Old school? Like 1-4? I don't like 9, that's childish and then X-2, too girly and dunno, weird. I liked 7,8 and 10, though. All very interesting stories.

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03/20/2008 6:05 PM  
Posted By Pedro on 03/20/2008 1:28 PM
That's very nice news. Glad to hear.

And I am for oversized weaponry:)

Now, we still need a good manga-style RPG.

I think I just threw up in my mouth. Definitely not something I need.

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03/20/2008 6:20 PM  
Posted By Ghendar on 03/20/2008 6:05 PM
Posted By Pedro on 03/20/2008 1:28 PM
That's very nice news. Glad to hear.

And I am for oversized weaponry:)

Now, we still need a good manga-style RPG.

I think I just threw up in my mouth. Definitely not something I need.


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03/20/2008 6:23 PM  
My opinion falls in between Corim's and Dimitris'- I am not very enthusiastic about the art and munchkin aspects of Pathfinder, but I am happy for the most part with 3.5, and am glad someone is willing to continue publishing more or less in that vein. Perhaps those of us who do buy from Paizo, could influence a return to more traditional fantasy art forms, and a more "realistic" power setting. They do seem to appreciate input from thier customers.


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