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 | | 03/19/2008 11:01 PM |
| We're up to the penultimate preview for Dungeons of Dread, and that means it's about time for the set to be released. In less than two weeks, you'll have a chance to get your hands on these figures at the Dungeons of Dread prerelease. Check the prerelease schedule to find a game store near you! Skeletal Tomb Guardian  This is a collective favorite around the office. I played a game last weekend against this undead, and it's a real brute. While the attacks are a bit lower than other pieces at a similar point cost, they have the potential to deal far more damage. If you roll well, Cascade of Steel can whip out 100 points of damage, and that doesn't include criticals or other bonuses! Anything that increases the chance to hit helps this piece, because Cascade of Steel ends when you miss the target. The most obvious way to gain a bonus to hit, however, is combat advantage, which this creature will always have. Thanks to Multiple Threats, the Skeletal Tomb Guardian automatically gets combat advantage against adjacent creatures. Mind Flayer Scourge  Illithids are an iconic monster in Dungeons & Dragons, and here is their first Dungeons of Dread incarnation. This controller has the ability to shut down the enemy with repeated stuns. Clever players should be able to get the most out of its rechargeable Mind Blast cone. In warbands with additional stunning creatures, the Mind Flayer's first Champion effect is likely to see the most use. Teaming the Mind Flayer with a strong brute (such as the Skeletal Tomb Guardian) can really help dish out the damage. Getting an additional +4 attack for one of the Cascade of Steel swings against an automatically stunned opponent is a great way to start. Next week, the final preview for Dungeons of Dread!
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| | 03/20/2008 12:11 AM |
| So the Skeletal Tomb Guardian will always swing at +16 (25 damage) up to 4 times?!? Wow. Sounds like a thread for a lot of things with low AC. Wulfgar at 23 could be gone in the blink of an eye.
Shadow Dragons with high AC and Conceal could exclude the four-armed-monster from play, I guess.
Not sure about the Mind Flayer. Without the new 5-foot-step rule, I think he'd be ineffective as soon as based. But now he could be valuable.
Just a general question by the way: Are undead not immun to critical hits anymore? | |
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| | 03/20/2008 12:23 AM |
| Good point about the Large Shadow Dragons Michael. Not only are they a major offensive threat, their defensive capabilites are useful too.
I believe that undead are no longer immune to critical hits. | |
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| | 03/20/2008 2:56 AM |
| The Skeleton looks good, but it's something i'd want about 8 of and I'm just not willing to chase it as a rare.
My guess on the minflayer is that it's like the new beholder, another product of the "revolutionary" CAD design. WotC don't need no stinkin' sculptors. It's pathetic. I love mind flayers and had high hopes for this guy, but it's just bad. Play-Dough blue skin, some silver highlights and that's pretty much it for paint. I cringe every time I see something with a lot of black anymore because I know it's just unpainted. | |
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| | 03/20/2008 3:15 AM |
| Yeah, they are not immune.
Both sculpts look meh to me. I hope that in person the MFS will look better.
This preview is kinda for nothing, because we already now the whole set...wasted time it seems. So why not start the previews earlier, I think it would be useful for both sides? | |
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| | 03/20/2008 3:22 AM |
| Look at the MFS card! Nerfs!
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/mi20080320a_mindflaycd.jpg
Init check is down to 2. I remember seeing 7. And then, he recharges his Blast when he damages, not kills a stunned enemy.
And he has sucky attack bonuses. | |
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| | 03/20/2008 3:28 AM |
| I have both of these from XP and the sculpts are rock soild.Â
I palyed the Skeletal Tomb Guardian in one of the pre-releases and in one game he rolled like 7 hits (2 were criticals) in two rounds doing like 225 pts of damage and downed an Immoloth and something else. Cascade of Steel is deadly.Â
I saw the Mind Flayer played in a pre-release and he's ok. Still IMO maybe a little over costed.Â
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| | 03/20/2008 4:54 AM |
| The skeleton rocks would love one as a rare encounter
After seeing the mindflayer art I was excited but what this is aqua blue pink thing. Terrible paint job... should of made it uncommon with that job. Oh I guess I will repaint the one that I get. Shakes head... terrible job. | |
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| | 03/20/2008 7:06 AM |
| | CAD (Computer Aided Design) is all done on a computer as opposed to a physical sculpt. It's something they started with this set, though most are still traditional sculpts. They're pushing hard to go this way for all minis. I'm honestly guessing on the Flayer, but looking at it's lack of detail, it seems likely. | |
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| From AesophDarkfable, who aquired a "Snowball" beholder in the community draft at D&D XP
On the bottom of snowballs box it states:
"This is a limited edition miniature crafted in the likeness of the first CAD designed figures for the 4th edition Dungeons and Dragons Miniatures Game"
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| | 03/20/2008 8:32 AM |
| | The skeleton stats looks very good in skirmish play but the sculpt is not so good.Huum...it should be common or uncommon.About the mindflayer: personally I do not need more mindflayers (we have four already) and the sculpt is not very good.But it is O.K.Maybe it should be uncommon too. | |
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| | Like the skeleton, not so much the mind flayer. | |
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| I'll wait until I see them in person but I like them both. I suspect that the skeleton will have some leaning issues . . .
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| Posted By Ghendar on 03/20/2008 4:23 AM
Arms & Tentacles?
Paging Cthulnuford. Goodness the subject looks terrible! Not nearly enough arms and tentacles. Nurse Ghendar could you hand me the Whatley serum? 
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| Posted By Cthulhufnord on 03/20/2008 10:23 AM Posted By Ghendar on 03/20/2008 4:23 AM
Arms & Tentacles?
Paging Cthulnuford. Goodness the subject looks terrible! Not nearly enough arms and tentacles. Nurse Ghendar could you hand me the Whatley serum? 
Apologies, Doctor, but Nurse Ghendar is currently undergoing alien alteration. may I be of assistance?
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| | 03/20/2008 1:27 PM |
| What four-armed creature is that a skeleton of?
That would be a great practical joke to play on people in the future. I'm gonna see if I can find a real pair of human skeletal arms and have them included in my casket when I die. It'll really freak out the tomb raiders that will dig my body up thousands of years from now!
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| | 03/20/2008 1:30 PM |
| Posted By Oryan77 on 03/20/2008 1:27 PM
What four-armed creature is that a skeleton of?
That would be a great practical joke to play on people in the future. I'm gonna see if I can find a real pair of human skeletal arms and have them included in my casket when I die. It'll really freak out the tomb raiders that will dig my body up thousands of years from now!
But they would probably still do a DNA comparison... | |
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| Posted By Wraithborne on 03/20/2008 2:56 AM
My guess on the minflayer is that it's like the new beholder, another product of the "revolutionary" CAD design. WotC don't need no stinkin' sculptors. It's pathetic. I love mind flayers and had high hopes for this guy, but it's just bad. Play-Dough blue skin, some silver highlights and that's pretty much it for paint. I cringe every time I see something with a lot of black anymore because I know it's just unpainted.
I like Mind Flayers too, and I feel the same way about this one. It looks pathetic. I think the look of the Mind Flayer peaked with the Aberrations Mind Flayer Telepath - that one's a real beauty. | |
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| | 03/21/2008 12:06 AM |
| Posted By Oryan77 on 03/20/2008 1:27 PM
What four-armed creature is that a skeleton of?
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| Posted By Thenameless on 03/21/2008 12:04 AM
I like Mind Flayers too, and I feel the same way about this one. It looks pathetic. I think the look of the Mind Flayer peaked with the Aberrations Mind Flayer Telepath - that one's a real beauty.
I couldn't agree more... The colour scheme and sculpt were perfect on the mind flayer telepath, and it's one of my favourite minis. The mind flayer sourge actually has some delicate detail with the silver lining on the black garb, but the colour scheme here makes it look cheap, not to mention those pink globs on the tentacles of the turquoise head.
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| Posted By Thenameless on 03/21/2008 12:06 AM Posted By Oryan77 on 03/20/2008 1:27 PM
What four-armed creature is that a skeleton of?
Me too please. I'd like to know too if anyone has any idea. Thanks.
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| | 03/21/2008 4:39 AM |
| Posted By Cthulhufnord on 03/20/2008 10:23 AM Posted By Ghendar on 03/20/2008 4:23 AM
Arms & Tentacles?
Paging Cthulnuford. Goodness the subject looks terrible! Not nearly enough arms and tentacles. Nurse Ghendar could you hand me the Whatley serum? 
Here you go, but no getting fresh with me now.
I no longer skirmish so my preferences in new minis is solely based on RPG utility and usefulness.
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I like the Mind Flayer. Then again, I like getting alternate sculpts of already released figs. The Skeleton? First impression is a great big meh. | |
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I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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| Posted By Thenameless on 03/21/2008 12:06 AM Posted By Oryan77 on 03/20/2008 1:27 PM
What four-armed creature is that a skeleton of?
Me too please. I'd like to know too if anyone has any idea. Thanks.
I remember a humanoid 1E creature possibly from the Fiend Folio that had four arms. Can't pick the name from my brain but I can see the image.
For all we know it may not be the skeleton of a creature but a construct instead.
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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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mazra
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| | 03/21/2008 8:17 AM |
| Hi Everyone,
I like the skeleton. It reminds of something out of a Ray Harryhausen movie.
I agree with the general sentiment. The Mindflayer is just wrong. The Mindflayer Telepath is much better. Even the Harbinger Mindflayer is a better sculpt, though mine has a lousy paint job. I have been wanting to repaint it for some time.
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| | 03/21/2008 8:27 AM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 03/21/2008 4:43 AM Posted By Thenameless on 03/21/2008 12:06 AM Posted By Oryan77 on 03/20/2008 1:27 PM
What four-armed creature is that a skeleton of?
Me too please. I'd like to know too if anyone has any idea. Thanks. I remember a humanoid 1E creature possibly from the Fiend Folio that had four arms. Can't pick the name from my brain but I can see the image. For all we know it may not be the skeleton of a creature but a construct instead.
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| | 03/21/2008 1:02 PM |
| Skeleton is uber cool, I seem to recall one of it in one of the early modules of 1E (unless it was for OD&D...) One is OK, but I'll gladly take a duplicate.
Mindflayer is, err, meh. Head colors are strange (did I say ugly ?). I suppose a bit of paint can fix it, but I suck at painting... The rest of the body is OK.
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| | 03/21/2008 1:15 PM |
| I could swear that I remember a 2nd ed. Bone Golem looked like the 4-armed skeleton pictured...at least I remember some art in some book/module somewhere in my earlier gaming days that looked like that. I can't say for sure about it being a bone golem, so I'll do some digging through my old 2ed. stuff sometime soon if I get the time. Hopefully I still have it.
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| | 03/21/2008 1:18 PM |
| Got it after 5 minutes of intense brain storming :D
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| That is an Awsome Idea. 
Posted By Oryan77 on 03/20/2008 1:27 PM
What four-armed creature is that a skeleton of?
That would be a great practical joke to play on people in the future. I'm gonna see if I can find a real pair of human skeletal arms and have them included in my casket when I die. It'll really freak out the tomb raiders that will dig my body up thousands of years from now!
I love pulling stuff like that on the "future". Some of my cast off idols are going to be buried out in the woods. I'd love to see the look on the face of the fella pulling an octopus tree thing from the ground. | |
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| | 03/23/2008 6:11 AM |
| | So what are we left with for next Thursday? The iron defender and the ice archon... *sigh* It's lucky that I didn't need a final preview to boost my excitement about the set! ;) | |
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| | 03/23/2008 1:41 PM |
| First off, as for the arm thing, it states in the flavor text "Each sword arm was taken from a skilled soldier.", so presumably this is stitched together from 4 human/humanoid fighters.
As for the CAD design, I hate to break it to ya, Wraithborne, but CAD design allows for a LOT more detail than conventional sculpting. I mean, I work with CAD every day, and I sculpt now and then, and you really just can't do by hand what a machine can do. Otherwise, we'd still be using claymation and hand assembled electronic components. Also, the coloration has noting to do with CAD, unless the plastic itself is colored (probably not economically efficient). | |
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Man of Renown
Wraithborne
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The Red Light District
| | 03/23/2008 8:01 PM |
| Posted By Wondergecko on 03/23/2008 1:41 PM
As for the CAD design, I hate to break it to ya, Wraithborne, but CAD design allows for a LOT more detail than conventional sculpting. I mean, I work with CAD every day, and I sculpt now and then, and you really just can't do by hand what a machine can do. Otherwise, we'd still be using claymation and hand assembled electronic components. Also, the coloration has noting to do with CAD, unless the plastic itself is colored (probably not economically efficient).
Allows for a lot more detail.... maybe, but we're not going to get it. More detail means more time and this is clearly being done as a cost saving measure. We're gonna get polygons like the Beholder with it's flat mouth and Satan Summoning head shape and dull, featureless minis like the Mind Flayer.
As for technology analogies, you can make them all day, but they're ultimately meaningless and irrelevant. Making hand assembled electronics has about as much to do with ddm as the price of a wheel of cheese in Montana and they still make movies today with CGI that looks worse than anything Harryhausen ever thought of doing. Having technology and using it to it's utmost potential are 2 vrey different things and I just don't think they're going to even come close to that potential. | |
Eye dun no why youse guys think im not relly a person im jimgang from canada but im moving to cali as soon as i get a master card
-Jimgang
So, you stand at your grave, Has your soul yet been taken away?
So you can't read what's engraved, Is this Heaven or merely Decay?
Was there a light, enchantingly bright, A Question, just how did it end?
Just let me sift through your calm remains, And tear you away from your skin.
-Sumerias Fain. | |
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| | 03/23/2008 8:20 PM |
| | look wraith, stop being negative, they actually can give us more good detail by saving time and money with the CAD technique. | | | |
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