moloche
Skirmisher
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 | | 03/30/2008 9:53 AM |
| Yesterday the FLGS had the Dungeon of Dread Pre-Release event. As their previous TO and WotC Rep I usually ran the tourneys for the store. Since I am not bothering with DDM 2.0 or DD4E, I did not show up to play. To my surprise no one else did either. The store did its usual level of advertising and what not and we have in the past had 30 players for a Pre-Release Event (though 18 was usual). This time...no one. No one even came in the store to ask about it, or see if they could scam a promo, or even just to see the new figs in person. Nothing.
I realize the local meta has a tendency to buck gaming trends. But, no one?
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Dordledum
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Netherlands
| | 03/30/2008 10:19 AM |
| That's terrible.
We had a great pre-release event witgh a record turnout of 17 people (14 was the maximum before). Both the old 1.0 crew as a number of new people showed up. The new rules are great to play with and the new set looks awesome.
Happy days,
D.
Edit - Everybody played and stayed to the end (11.00 am - 17.00 pm). I was actually the first to leave right after prizes had been distributed cause of the flu. | |
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| | 03/30/2008 10:22 AM |
| | in lacey we got 20 or some people but most of them just wanted to get the minis and run (really, a lot dropped without even telling) so by the last round there were 8 of us... | | | |
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Thenameless
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| | 03/30/2008 3:28 PM |
| | 17 participants at out our pre-release. Only a couple of drops. That's about our usual number. We peaked at somewhere over 30 at last year's Unhallowed Pre-release. | |
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Corim Danex
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West Valley City, Utah
| | 03/30/2008 4:12 PM |
| | I had the impression that it was one of the smaller prereleases we have had for a while, but I could be wrong. | |
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stephengroy
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Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 03/30/2008 4:37 PM |
| Ten in Mesa, AZ.
Even Robbdaman did not attend | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 03/30/2008 6:45 PM |
| | We had 11 at Bloomington IL prerelease which is about normal. | | | |
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JodyJ
Warrior
258 Posts
| | 03/30/2008 7:26 PM |
| | I think it is amazing how a couple people can poison an entire venue. | |
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| | 03/31/2008 3:57 AM |
| Posted By stephengroy on 03/30/2008 4:37 PM
Ten in Mesa, AZ.
Even Robbdaman did not attend
Since I heard that he was here in California this weekend (and it just didn't work out for him to make it to a pre-release here), I wouldn't read too deeply into the fact that he missed the Mesa pre-release.
We had 20 players at the Santa Clara pre-release for DDr, which is up from recent pre-release events if I remember correctly. | | | |
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Vrecknidj
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| | 03/31/2008 6:54 AM |
| We started with 20 players and ended with 17. Two drops after the 3rd round, one after the 4th. It was a very successful event.
It's too bad about there being no players. That would have made me really sad.
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Gryfalia
Sneak
85 Posts
| | 03/31/2008 7:02 AM |
| We actually had 9 at Bloomington/Normal, a couple less than normal, but that's because 2 of the regulars couldn't be there (which we knew ahead of time).
But 0? That's nuts... | |
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wicked cool
Underboss
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| | 03/31/2008 7:44 AM |
| | i was bummed i couldnt go to my prerelease event. Since its a prerlease you dont have to worry about our old figures compatibility. I wonder what would have happened if only a couple of people showed up. Whats the minimum # needed for a event. im going to the june prerelease no matter what. hopefully another huge promo repaint | |
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Gryfalia
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| | 03/31/2008 8:29 AM |
| | Minimum needed for an event of this type is 4. | |
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jacksonm
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5560 Posts
River City
| | 03/31/2008 8:30 AM |
| 18 people here in Winnipeg which is slightly below normal.
Part of that is due to some of the dedicated regulars having scheduling conflicts and the fact myself who usually plays ended up volunteering to serve as a judge. | | | |
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Teflon Jeff
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| | 03/31/2008 10:07 AM |
| Wow, so most places up, and one place completely empty. Hmm...
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greyhaze
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| | 03/31/2008 10:22 AM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 03/31/2008 10:07 AM
Wow, so most places up...
Are we reading different threads? | |
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Corim Danex
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West Valley City, Utah
| | 03/31/2008 10:28 AM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 03/31/2008 10:07 AM
Wow, so most places up, and one place completely empty. Hmm...
Teflon Jeff said that most places were up and one had zero. Here is an analysis of what has been posted: Moloche—zero Dordledum—increase Vanrullz—did not state if up or down or normal Thenameless—normal (below peak) Corim Danex—decrease Stephengroy—decrease Majistral—normal LDS—increase Vrecknidj—good turnout (did not say if increased) Jacksonm—decrease Totals: Zero—One Decrease—Three Normal/unspecified—Three Increase—Two Only two of ten stated there were increases, while four stated they were below, including the one with nobody.
Corrected for Gryfalia's comments. Note that I wasn't saying decrease always meant a significant drop. A decrease is a decrease, just like an increase is an increase. 2-4 people is a swing, though how significant that swing is does relate proportionally to the overall total.
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Gryfalia
Sneak
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| | 03/31/2008 11:10 AM |
| | Actually, Majistral's is mine, and the 'decrease' from 11 to 9 is rather illusory, because it's only our third pre-release (I think). So 'normal' would be likely correct for ours, I was just correcting his number from 11 to 9... | |
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ronan
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Rochester, NY
| | 03/31/2008 12:03 PM |
| | We had 22 in Rochester, NY. That was up for local people and down for surrounding cities no one from Syracuse. | |
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| | 03/31/2008 12:10 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 03/31/2008 10:22 AM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 03/31/2008 10:07 AM
Wow, so most places up...
Are we reading different threads?
Sorry, skimming too fast. Looks like some were up, some were down. "Most" should have been "some".
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| | 03/31/2008 1:31 PM |
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Czech Republic
| | 03/31/2008 1:39 PM |
| | We will have our prereleases on 12, 19, 26. Will post then. | |
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Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 03/31/2008 4:40 PM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 03/31/2008 6:54 AM
We started with 20 players and ended with 17. Two drops after the 3rd round, one after the 4th. It was a very successful event.
It's too bad about there being no players. That would have made me really sad.
Dave
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maijstral
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| | 03/31/2008 5:10 PM |
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Posted By Gryfalia on 03/31/2008 11:10 AM
Actually,
Majistral's is mine, and the 'decrease' from 11 to 9 is rather
illusory, because it's only our third pre-release (I think). So
'normal' would be likely correct for ours, I was just correcting his
number from 11 to 9...
Hmm, my bad I could have sworn Chris told me 11 but on hordelings he says 9 as well. | | | |
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Raland
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| | 03/31/2008 5:59 PM |
| | Not sure if you can count ours in Hamilton Ontario being up at 6 from 4. | |
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Gryfalia
Sneak
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| | 04/01/2008 8:02 AM |
| Posted By maijstral on 03/31/2008 5:10 PM Posted By Gryfalia on 03/31/2008 11:10 AM
Actually, Majistral's is mine, and the 'decrease' from 11 to 9 is rather illusory, because it's only our third pre-release (I think). So 'normal' would be likely correct for ours, I was just correcting his number from 11 to 9... Hmm, my bad I could have sworn Chris told me 11 but on hordelings he says 9 as well.
Actually, he changed it there, because I think he said 11 there too...or you did. Someone did. But I can't post there from work..hehe. | |
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| | 04/01/2008 8:18 AM |
| I wonder how much the 2.0 rules change had an effect...
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moloche
Skirmisher
15 Posts
| | 04/01/2008 12:10 PM |
| Posted By JodyJ on 03/30/2008 7:26 PM
I think it is amazing how a couple people can poison an entire venue.
What Poison? I went out of my way to promote and encourage those interested in the game. I made my self available to answer questions on the rules and mechanics of the new game. I was even present at the pre-release in case they needed help. It turned out somewhat other than expected.
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moloche
Skirmisher
15 Posts
| | 04/01/2008 12:29 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 04/01/2008 8:18 AM
I wonder how much the 2.0 rules change had an effect...
I believe it had a fairly serious effect.
I left the Delegate program based on the presentation at the WotC Delegate Dinner at GenCon. After the presentation I realized I had little confidence in the new direction of this game and the other product lines. Considering the new games they were introducing and and the lackluster support for the old ones weakened my resolve. Upon seeing the early previews of DDM2.0 and DD4E I walked away.
Even having left the program I still stayed up on the game and encouraged people to find out more. I made sure our local players were in touch with the previews that were released and answered any questions that came up about the new rule set. Since I had no reason to hurt the local store I did this with as much aplomb and enthusiasm as I could manage.
We have an active player base of half a dozen people who are happy with DDM 1.0 and see no reason to migrate to the new system. Possibly that number again who will occaisionnaly show up and that have not expressed any interest in 2.0. The 6-8 other
players have drifted away from 1.0 and I expected them to be first in line for the new set. What surprised me was that they did not show up to the pre-release. Nor did the players from Jefferson City (30 miles away) and Kirksville (80 miles away) who make special trips for the pre-releases. | |
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wicked cool
Underboss
2091 Posts
| | 04/01/2008 1:15 PM |
| | just for curiousity what state was your event in? ill be curious to see how well the store does if the prelease is an indication of 2.0/4.0. You said you have no interest in 2.0, dont like 2.0,have no faith in WOTC and yet you studied the new rules and go out of way to promote game? with enthusiasm? | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6682 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 04/01/2008 2:54 PM |
| Our LGS that had the prerelease had 16 (with three who dropped before playing and had signed up for the two boosters). Typically, there are 24 or more people at prereleases. This was confirmed by the hobby shop, which was surprised by the low turnout.
I don't play the skirmish game and haven't regularly for a long time. My only two guesses for the low turnout are disinterest in 2.0 and conflicting schedules. However, I didn't talk to anyone who didn't make it, so I have no way of knowing right now what the reasons were. | |
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Barry
Skirmisher
41 Posts
| | 04/01/2008 3:21 PM |
| Glen Burnie MD, had 13 iirc. That is slightly down from normal. I think alot of the down isnt so much from 2.0 rules as it was from having played alot of DuD at XP. Many of the normal shows that were at XP didnt show. Alot of the excitement for the new set had already been eased.
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moloche
Skirmisher
15 Posts
| | 04/01/2008 3:59 PM |
| Posted By wicked cool on 04/01/2008 1:15 PM
just for curiousity what state was your event in? ill be curious to see how well the store does if the prelease is an indication of 2.0/4.0. You said you have no interest in 2.0, dont like 2.0,have no faith in WOTC and yet you studied the new rules and go out of way to promote game? with enthusiasm?
We are in Columbia,Missouri. Three large colleges which account for a majority of the transient player base and sales at the store. I am curious as well and hope my Quote from Daniel is off-base.
As a delegate I did a lot of demos and played a lot of games that quite literally sucked. I alsways got high marks from the stores I demoed at because my job at the time was to get the enthusiasm and fun of the game across to the players. With the new set I have seen little to capture my imagination so I read the rules and answered questions as they arose. Any good community builder would do the same. I pointed people to the proper websites and previews for more glad handing.
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JodyJ
Warrior
258 Posts
| | 04/01/2008 6:43 PM |
| Posted By moloche on 04/01/2008 12:10 PM
What Poison? I went out of my way to promote and encourage those interested in the game. I made my self available to answer questions on the rules and mechanics of the new game. I was even present at the pre-release in case they needed help. It turned out somewhat other than expected.
I think it was a pretty safe assumption that someone there was badmouthing the 2.0 DCI scene. Apparently it wasn't you, but the 6 regular 1.0 players determined to not move to the new edition would have a substantial effect. Basically if the regulars are going to boycott the new Standard format then the irregulars sure aren't going to show up since there's no longer a guarantee that the number of players will reach critical mass.
Pretty much every edition change for games has a certain amount of dividing of the market. Sounds like central Missouri is likely voting to stick with the old.
So yes they have weighed the new edition, found it wanting, and brought about a rift in the player base. The initial post made it sound like a no-show pre-release was a vindication of the area's assessment of 2.0 and WotC -- that somehow the writing would be on the wall for the future of DDM.
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| | 04/02/2008 12:02 AM |
| Posted By moloche on 04/01/2008 3:59 PM
We are in Columbia,Missouri. Three large colleges which account for a majority of the transient player base and sales at the store.
It's possible that many of those college students were either on spring break or just finishing the first week of the term.
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Thenameless
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The Fortress of Solitude
| | 04/02/2008 2:20 AM |
| | Okay, so it looks like overall the skirmish game is still okay (except for the zero venue). Perhaps, a slight changing of the guard. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6682 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 04/02/2008 9:14 AM |
| I think if we were measuring the skirmish game, the second prerelease would give a better indicator than the first perhaps. With this one, several may have come out of curiosity. If people are showing up based on whether or not they like 2.0, I would think that some time to play it would show an overall impact better than the first release. We should give it time to see what the general reaction really is before jumping to conclusions.
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Sector 2814
| | 04/02/2008 9:28 AM |
| It's about what I expected. I expected about a 10% drop in attendance (although nothing so drastic as a no-show)
it's one step back to take three steps forward.
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mege
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| | 04/06/2008 8:00 PM |
| Posted By moloche on 03/30/2008 9:53 AM
Yesterday the FLGS had the Dungeon of Dread Pre-Release event. As their previous TO and WotC Rep I usually ran the tourneys for the store. Since I am not bothering with DDM 2.0 or DD4E, I did not show up to play. To my surprise no one else did either. The store did its usual level of advertising and what not and we have in the past had 30 players for a Pre-Release Event (though 18 was usual). This time...no one. No one even came in the store to ask about it, or see if they could scam a promo, or even just to see the new figs in person. Nothing.
I realize the local meta has a tendency to buck gaming trends. But, no one?
Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin...
How were things where you are?
Casey
Grats on killing DDM and D&D in general in your area for a while. Or maybe you just drove all of your regulars to a different store to get away from the bad attitude about a game.
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 04/06/2008 10:55 PM |
| I was talking to JQ about the Bloomington IN prerelease and he told me why they were a bit down there, there were more than a few that didn't want to play without seeing the new rulebook. We forget there are quite a few players,both regular and casual, who don't frequent the boards or don't have good computers or internet access. Some of the players were on board for playing 2.0 or at least giving it a chance but not without reading and studying the rulebook in hand and unfortunately the starter didn't come out till a week after the prerelease.
We had 8 guys at a sealed tournament yesterday and that is phenomenal for Southern Illinois (would have been 9 but I had to work  ). At least 3 of the players were brand new,just bought the starter and wanted to learn to play, one of them took 3rd place | | | |
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