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| Posted By LCS on 04/08/2008 11:20 PM
Deliberately misspelled profanity is still profanity, and it's not acceptable here.
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JugglerVR
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| Posted By LCS on 04/08/2008 11:20 PM
Deliberately misspelled profanity is still profanity, and it's not acceptable here.
My bad. I fudged up.
oops! I'll probably be going to heck for that one.
Shoot! I keep doing it!
When will I learn to keep my bloody mouth shut?
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Vrecknidj
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| | 04/09/2008 11:19 AM |
| Posted By LCS on 04/08/2008 11:20 PM
Deliberately misspelled profanity is still profanity, and it's not acceptable here.
Thank you LCS, that was my point entirely.
Given 1) the relatively few posts from the original poster, and 2) his clarifying in one of his posts that he felt comfortable "playing" with the WotC staff because he felt they could separate the vitriol from the meat, I was inclined to point out the error rather than lock the thread.
I prefer the chatter to remain lively, but I target profanity when I see it.
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JugglerVR
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| | 04/09/2008 12:03 PM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 04/09/2008 11:19 AM Posted By LCS on 04/08/2008 11:20 PM
Deliberately misspelled profanity is still profanity, and it's not acceptable here.
Thank you LCS, that was my point entirely. Given 1) the relatively few posts from the original poster, and 2) his clarifying in one of his posts that he felt comfortable "playing" with the WotC staff because he felt they could separate the vitriol from the meat, I was inclined to point out the error rather than lock the thread. I prefer the chatter to remain lively, but I target profanity when I see it. Dave
thanks for the clarification and the reminder.
I suppose I'm not doing myself any favors by reminding that there was non-misspelled profanity in my original post. if you'd like, I'll go back and edit it out to be more presentable. ;)
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| | 04/10/2008 10:53 AM |
| Posted By JugglerVR on 04/09/2008 10:53 AM Posted By LCS on 04/08/2008 11:20 PM
Deliberately misspelled profanity is still profanity, and it's not acceptable here.
My bad. I fudged up. oops! I'll probably be going to heck for that one. Shoot! I keep doing it! When will I learn to keep my bloody mouth shut?
There's a difference between using a substitute, and specifically implying a specific word.
Also, I imagine there's a heirarchy of profanity, making some words even worse than others. You seem to be utilizing the worst of them.
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Gadget
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| | 04/14/2008 4:17 PM |
| While I do agree with some that Juggler's tone is a bit confrontational, I believe it is born more out of frustration than any malice. I sympathize with his points though. WotC is certainly no fledgling company trying to start itself up and therefore prone to beginner mistakes. They are a company with a long history, world wide branding, extensive experience in launching and supporting games of many types and they have corporate resources available through the ownership by Hasbro. As to the "Chainmail" thing, WotC also has their initial experience in miniatures to draw from so as to avoid future mistakes.
I have no problem with a new edition of the game, but they failed to make the transition user friendly, orderly and controlled. The game has been picking up speed and turning into a real player. Putting up a roadblock now seems poorly thought out at best.
WotC should...
1. Ramp up the speed at which it is converting old figures.
2. Codify rules and a method of future expansion a la Magic.
3. Be more aware of "disambiguity"
Those three steps would go along way to removing the big, fat speedbumps they have put in the road.
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| | 04/15/2008 9:59 AM |
| We know there will be some issues in upcoming updates with names being duplicated across cards. Peter's first reply hints at some of the goings-on when we started working on Dungeons of Dread (early last year, if not before). One of our constant challenges is trying to stay responsive to the market and customers, given our lead times for creating minis sets.
We knew that we'd need to do some sort of updating of old sets -- and that plan continued to grow as last year progressed. We knew that as we encompassed more and more sets with the updates, that some of the work we'd done on Dungeons of Dread or Desert of Desolation could cause some minor issues. I was also confident that the community would be able to handle these speed bumps, since our additional work would add more value to the collections of our established players -- without those players needing to do or buy anything for it (this is where someone inserts their argument for how much they "deserve" an update, but we're doing the updates after all, so bear with us).
Our solutions are manyfold, and involve not only trying to create disambiguous names for our new minis (which we'd already begun to do prior to the new game - ala the bevy of fire giants like forgepriest and raider), but we've also got to address how some minis like the Death Knight will be handled. One possibility is that a card like the Deathknell Death Knight might be titled "Death Knight (Deathknell)", or have the expansion symbol more prominent on the card. | |
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| | 04/15/2008 12:12 PM |
| Is there a fire giant raider coming out?
C'mon UC!!! | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Pedro
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| | 04/15/2008 1:00 PM |
| Posted By Username on 04/15/2008 12:12 PM Is there a fire giant raider coming out? C'mon UC!!!
Isn't this the one known from the ATG? Or is that a titan? | |
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| | 04/15/2008 1:14 PM |
| Posted By Shoe on 04/15/2008 9:59 AM
We know there will be some issues in upcoming updates with names being duplicated across cards. Peter's first reply hints at some of the goings-on when we started working on Dungeons of Dread (early last year, if not before). One of our constant challenges is trying to stay responsive to the market and customers, given our lead times for creating minis sets.
We knew that we'd need to do some sort of updating of old sets -- and that plan continued to grow as last year progressed. We knew that as we encompassed more and more sets with the updates, that some of the work we'd done on Dungeons of Dread or Desert of Desolation could cause some minor issues. I was also confident that the community would be able to handle these speed bumps, since our additional work would add more value to the collections of our established players -- without those players needing to do or buy anything for it (this is where someone inserts their argument for how much they "deserve" an update, but we're doing the updates after all, so bear with us).
Our solutions are manyfold, and involve not only trying to create disambiguous names for our new minis (which we'd already begun to do prior to the new game - ala the bevy of fire giants like forgepriest and raider), but we've also got to address how some minis like the Death Knight will be handled. One possibility is that a card like the Deathknell Death Knight might be titled "Death Knight (Deathknell)", or have the expansion symbol more prominent on the card.
Does this mean that I cannot use Black Robed Raislin that I got at Gen Con? It doesn't have a Night Below symbol on the bottom. Same with the Drizzt & Wulfgar from the Iconic Pack. How are they being handled? With the current 'base must match the card' for set, name and cost - none of those are legal for use, along with every other promo.
I really dislike the 'different stats, same name' approach to making the miniatures. I think it's a good olive branch to make all minis of the same name use the most recent stats released for that miniature (note: I am not a doomsayers about 'losing my collection' - I enjoy the format reset). This will be a good bridge for the next year plus before all of the sets are restatted. As of now we almost have a good dozen older miniatures that could be used (Wyvern, Vrock, Death Knight come to mind immediately) with older 'proxy' figures.
On the flip side, I understand WotC's desire to keep the base's point costs sacred (but this is really the only reason I can see forcing a 'Death Knight (Deathknell)' and 'Death Knight (Dungeons of Dread)'). If skirmish really needs a Death Knight of two different point costs, make a 'Death Knight Squire' or 'Experienced Death Knight' or something similar to differentiate. | | | |
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Username
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| | 04/15/2008 1:38 PM |
| Isn't this the one known from the ATG? Or is that a titan?
I believe it's a titan. Check the DDM Spoilers DDM 2.0 speculation page. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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neilasaurus
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| | 04/15/2008 8:18 PM |
| Posted By Username on 04/15/2008 1:38 PM Isn't this the one known from the ATG? Or is that a titan? I believe it's a titan. Check the DDM Spoilers DDM 2.0 speculation page.
I thought we looked at the bottom at DDXP and it said Fire Titan on the base.
Speaking of bases, I am for the mini with the same name being the same mini, points cost on base matching the 2.0 stats has already been broken by the Spined Devil. What good will it do to look at the base on a 1.0 mini when playing 2.0 anyway? Its unlikey that a LG/CG mini will be good or a LE/CE mini will be Evil. Only the name and set symbol have any meaning in 2.0.
I predict more people would screw up putting the wrong Death Knight with the wrong card than would add up their warband wrong because they used the base. | |
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Corim Danex
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| | 04/15/2008 9:30 PM |
| Posted By JugglerVR on 04/09/2008 10:53 AM Posted By LCS on 04/08/2008 11:20 PM
Deliberately misspelled profanity is still profanity, and it's not acceptable here.
My bad. I fudged up. oops! I'll probably be going to heck for that one. Shoot! I keep doing it! When will I learn to keep my bloody mouth shut?
Mocking a moderator does little to endear you to the community. Even concealed profanity (and "milder" profanity like you use here) undermines your message and is not appreciated. The confronting nature of your posts is so strong that it is not worth reading for me to see how much of it I agree or disagree with. Profanity is a sign of a dearth of vocabulary sufficient to communicate effectively. | |
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lingster
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| | 04/16/2008 11:22 AM |
| My personal preference is that if it's got the same name, give it the same stats. period.
I'd not mind playing two death knights, both the same, yet, two differnt figures on teh board. same thing goes with the "Gnoll". I'd rather have two gnolls in my band that look different, yet have the same stats.
It'll get annoying if the old figure has different stats than the new figure of the same name.
Look at Star Wars minis. Most notably is the STORMTROOPER. this figure has come out what.. 4 or 5 times...? each time, a new sculpt, but the exact same stats.
Let's keep it that way huh? I really don't want to have a "stormtrooper" have differnt stats for each set. that's wht we have "Elite stormtrooper", "heavy stormtrooper", etc. etc.
Which is the same reason we have a "drow fighter", "Drow warrior", Drow spiderguard". basically all Drow fighters... differnt names, and differnt abilities. How horrifying would it be if all you did was release the figure "Drow"? 5 types of figures that are named just Drow, with differnt abilities. Nah... don't like. | |
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Corim Danex
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| | 04/16/2008 3:12 PM |
| | I think that the name of the miniature is much more important than the point cost on its base. I think that people should check the cards rather than the bases for the point value of a mini when counting points. This allows same stats for minis with same name. Much less confusing, IMO. I don't skirmish currently, so my opinion on skirmish stuff does not have as much weight. | |
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| | 04/16/2008 4:31 PM |
| I've looked into my crystal ball and saw D&D's doom, I say Doooooooooom !!!
Jump ship mates, the boat is sinking.....
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| | 04/16/2008 8:54 PM |
| | Yikes, thanks for letting me know. I left my crystal ball in my other pants and had no clue. | |
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| | 04/17/2008 6:18 AM |
| I still like that we're getting a new fire giant next to the titan we've already seen :)
D. | |
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| | 04/17/2008 10:38 AM |
| Posted By Dordledum on 04/17/2008 6:18 AM
I still like that we're getting a new fire giant next to the titan we've already seen :)
D.
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Eye dun no why youse guys think im not relly a person im jimgang from canada but im moving to cali as soon as i get a master card
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So, you stand at your grave, Has your soul yet been taken away?
So you can't read what's engraved, Is this Heaven or merely Decay?
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| | 04/17/2008 12:38 PM |
| | Hopefully he looks like a fire giant and is uncommon | |
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| | 04/17/2008 1:05 PM |
| Posted By lingster on 04/16/2008 11:22 AM
My personal preference is that if it's got the same name, give it the same stats. period.
I'd not mind playing two death knights, both the same, yet, two differnt figures on teh board. same thing goes with the "Gnoll". I'd rather have two gnolls in my band that look different, yet have the same stats.
It'll get annoying if the old figure has different stats than the new figure of the same name.
Look at Star Wars minis. Most notably is the STORMTROOPER. this figure has come out what.. 4 or 5 times...? each time, a new sculpt, but the exact same stats.
Let's keep it that way huh? I really don't want to have a "stormtrooper" have differnt stats for each set. that's wht we have "Elite stormtrooper", "heavy stormtrooper", etc. etc.
Which is the same reason we have a "drow fighter", "Drow warrior", Drow spiderguard". basically all Drow fighters... differnt names, and differnt abilities. How horrifying would it be if all you did was release the figure "Drow"? 5 types of figures that are named just Drow, with differnt abilities. Nah... don't like.
I agree with this statement. | |
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Bert the Troll
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| | 04/17/2008 6:43 PM |
| I much prefer variety. I'm not bothered at all by two death knights with different abilities. *shrug*
That said, it wouldnt bother me if it was the same, though I personally hate how storm troopers have different poses with same stats.
Imprtant thing is that they are getting restatted!
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| | 04/19/2008 5:15 AM |
| Posted By Bert the Troll on 04/17/2008 6:43 PM
I much prefer variety. I'm not bothered at all by two death knights with different abilities. *shrug*
That said, it wouldnt bother me if it was the same, though I personally hate how storm troopers have different poses with same stats.
Imprtant thing is that they are getting restatted!
Bert has a valid point. Death Knights are not all the same, so I like that I can use a higher or lower power DK depending on preference. (and, from a purely Spike POV, the more options, the more options to find a powerful piece) | |
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