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Wraithborne
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| | I went with Aberrations, mainly because as the first set with color cards it makes a good cutoff point. | |
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stephengroy
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Tempe AZ Beeyotch
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Bert the Troll
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3754 Posts
Adelaide
| | 05/08/2008 5:47 PM |
| I think it should be * if * not * when * they stop producing.
Kind of a troll really the way it is. You're last option is just expressing your opinion hidden unsubtly in humour rather than giving a choice.
Besides pessimism, the only indicator that they might stop is Chain mail, but I don't know the actual text they used when discussing updating those to DDM. Do you have anything to support the idea they won't aside from thinking poorly of them?
Plus if it is expected that they will keep their promise, there is far more chance they will.
I fully expect it to happen, though my cynical voice inside keeps murmuring 'need schedule' or we may see one set released every two years.
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Wraithborne
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| Posted By Shoe on 08/04/2006 8:20 PM
Regarding Chainmail Equiv cards: there may be more info in just under a week.
Posted By zenthrus on 08/04/2006 8:23 PM
That could be good or bad. My optimistic self tends to think it means there will be a whole lot of Chainmail equivs released at the
same time. I hear something similar occured right after the last Huge set...
I'll hold off on my happy dance until more info is forthcoming.
Posted By Shoe on 08/04/2006 8:40 PM
hold off on the happy dance, but be practicing the steps... Conversations like this one are why I doubt it will be finished...a little wiggle room here, a little we're busy there
and next thing you know nothing happens. For the record, that was a week before Gen Con '06.
A similar situation happened the winter previous to the 4e
announcement when those who had been clamoring for epic cards for old stuff now and then instead of constant
new minis. Of course, no one remembers saying any such thing. Not even the guy who posted it on WotC. | |
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Bert the Troll
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| | 05/08/2008 8:38 PM |
| Thanks for info, But I'd be more interested about what was said when it was first annoucenced re chain mail.
I'd gladly agree most statments given by WoTc (and other companies) leave plently of holes to wriggle through. | |
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Wraithborne
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| | 05/08/2008 9:12 PM |
| I wasn't net savvy around chainmail time, so I have no clue what was said at the beginning.
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Hey Woman, Hey Woman!! Listen here. Since your ol' man ain't got no heart, maybe you'd like to see a real man. I bet you stay up late every night dreamin' you had a real man, don't ya'? I tell you what, bring your pretty little self over to my apartment tonight and I'll show you a real man!
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| | 05/08/2008 10:21 PM |
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stephengroy
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Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 05/08/2008 11:43 PM |
| Call it a troll if you wish, Bert, YOU yourself used to support Chainmail conversions for 1.0!
Here's the post about Chainmail support:
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=minis/ch20020627x
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We have some important news that we need to share with all of you. After a careful examination, the publishing business unit of Wizards of the Coast has determined that it needs to make a strategic shift in the miniatures category. We will no longer promote the Chainmail brand. Wizards will continue to produce miniatures, and we are currently working on our 2003 schedule, along with a business plan for a game that uses the Dungeons & Dragons brand. We intend to make the new game backward-compatible with Chainmail. What this decision means is that there will be a few changes to our release schedule for the remainder of 2002. The Chainmail Core Rulebook will be made available as an electronic download rather than a printed product, and the September Set 4 and all Set 5 miniatures boosters will not be released. We will, however, release the Kilsek faction box, the City of the Spider Queen box set, and Dragons I, Dragons II, Monsters II and III, and Heroes II and III box sets. Wizards of the Coast would like to publicly thank all the retailers, distributors, and game players who have supported the line and the employees who put so much hard work into the Chainmail products. It was a labor of love, and your support has been appreciated.
The key word here is INTEND.
Miriam-Webster says:
transitive verb
1: to direct the mind on
2archaic : to proceed on (a course)
3 a: signify, mean b: to refer to
4 a: to have in mind as a purpose or goal : plan b: to design for a specified use or future
Yeah, I spose they can INTEND all they want, right, like they INTEND to print 2.0 cards for older sets?
Here's one including a post from Bert the Troll stating a simple list woulda been nice:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=866606&highlight=Chainmail+equivalent
One where the community volunteered to finish the project:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=878474&highlight=Chainmail+equivalent
One asking about using CM figs as All-Stars:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=15814137#post15814137
Me again making a well-supported suggestion, COME ON, IT'S TEN CARDS PEOPLE!!:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=982543&highlight=Chainmail+equivalent
"With the restatting of all the old cards, this is a great opportinuty for WotC to ensure backwards compatability they promised by completing the Chainmail equivalencies from Angelfire through Desert of Desolation:
Dragon Queen -- War Ape
Blood War -- Demonic Gnoll Adept= Demonic Gnoll Priestess
Angelfire -- Abyssal Skulker
Blood War -- Hammerer
Blood War -- Howler
Underdark -- Skeletal Equiceph
Dragon Queen -- Hobgoblin Adept= Hobgoblin Talon of Tiamat
War Drums -- Dwarf Hammer Priest= Warpriest of Moradin
Unhallowed -- Ice Paraelemental= Large Ice Elemental
Dragon Queen -- Gnoll Ranger= Demonic Gnoll Archer"
And the most recent, as of March:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1002173&highlight=Chainmail+equivalent
Heck, if they really wanted to show us some love, they'd provide cards for the pre-chainmail 3.5 and Silver anniversary minis -- Lidda's still Lidda, Jozan's still Jozan, I mean, it' s not that much of a stretch!
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Sean-Khan
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| | 05/09/2008 12:38 AM |
| If WotC has promised it, breaking that promise will be remembered. WotC is a big company after all, and I believe they can get a freelancer to do the conversions without paying fortunes :) So I believe it's more important for wotc to maintain good reputation than to save a bit extra.
And, converting old sets isn't that big of a trouble. I don't mind a few shortcuts. At least 1/2 of the figs may be simple creatures, with no fancy special abilities. They are easy to create and cost. All-starts reduces the size of the sets a bit, and maybe some figs will get equivalencies. It may also be possible that some of the figs will be made by us, using competitions... In addition, there will be
All these things, and the fact that WE are doing the playtesting increses the chances that we'll get all sets converted. | |
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The Fortress of Solitude
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| | I'm keeping the faith. I might be living in LaLa Land, but I'll take 'em at their word for now. Just to be sure, we are talking about updating all of the old miniatures so that they can be played in the Vintage format right? | |
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FriendlyAlienist
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| | 05/09/2008 6:01 AM |
| I'm also firmly in the La-La-land. I'm so deep in hopeless self-deception that I believe Wizards will want to give older players a treat by publishing cards for one of the older sets and one of the newer sets together, starting with Blood War + Harbinger this summer.
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Gadget
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| | Actually I recently posted that question to WotC via email. The response I got was that the plan was to eventually restat every mini, but that there was no definitive schedule at this point. That might be just a stroke job to keep the masses happy, but the way I figure it, without restating them all, that kind of makes vintage format a ghetto. If you want to have a format that includes every mini, then you need a compatible stat card for every mini. Hopefully they will follow up on that promise and do so. | |
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| | 05/09/2008 10:06 AM |
| Everything I have heard from my contacts at WotC gives me faith that they will finish this project.
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| | 05/10/2008 12:46 PM |
| | I'm hoping that they will complete all, but the longer the project takes or if it doesn't contain a timeline the less likely it seems. | |
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| | 05/10/2008 1:02 PM |
| | I said deathknell because it should be about then that 90% of the people will stop caring | |
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| | 05/10/2008 8:47 PM |
| Agreed, I think they will find a way to finish it if they make it that long.
The only way I don't see the finishing is if DDM dies before they are done. Which I doubt, of course.
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maijstral
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| | 05/10/2008 9:15 PM |
| Hope springs eternal, I hope they will finish the whole line but I really thing the real world will involve itself and things will get pushed back and pushed back until its years down the road and nobody cares anymore then it will just kind of fade out.
If this happens I think the WotDQ may be the cuttoff because they may want to give Epic somemore minis to play with besides the AtG set. | | | |
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stephengroy
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Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 05/10/2008 9:20 PM |
| I thought they's support the Chainmail figs, until I saw them produce in plastic what was once made in metal. The War Ape is identical in both sculpts, so why isn't it legal? I'd like to believe WotC will make all 1.0 figs available, but I just don't see it happening...again.
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mordeus
Skirmisher
38 Posts
Edmonton, AB
| | 05/10/2008 10:10 PM |
| I don't see "they are already done with restatting.... so much for Unhallowed" On this poll.
And that's what I am beginning to get afraid of.
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Bert the Troll
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Adelaide
| | 05/14/2008 4:09 PM |
| Posted By stephengroy on 05/08/2008 11:43 PM
Call it a troll if you wish, Bert, YOU yourself used to support Chainmail conversions for 1.0!
That really isn't news. Hardly a shock. To be honest, I still would support chainmail being converted.
You would also find a lot more posts by me stating that WoTC should of converted Chain mail.
Not really sure why you think that is earth shattering or counter to what I just posted.
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Here's the post about Chainmail support: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=minis/ch20020627xDiscontinued after August 2002 | |
We have some important news that we need to share with all of you. After a careful examination, the publishing business unit of Wizards of the Coast has determined that it needs to make a strategic shift in the miniatures category. We will no longer promote the Chainmail brand. Wizards will continue to produce miniatures, and we are currently working on our 2003 schedule, along with a business plan for a game that uses the Dungeons & Dragons brand. We intend to make the new game backward-compatible with Chainmail. What this decision means is that there will be a few changes to our release schedule for the remainder of 2002. The Chainmail Core Rulebook will be made available as an electronic download rather than a printed product, and the September Set 4 and all Set 5 miniatures boosters will not be released. We will, however, release the Kilsek faction box, the City of the Spider Queen box set, and Dragons I, Dragons II, Monsters II and III, and Heroes II and III box sets. Wizards of the Coast would like to publicly thank all the retailers, distributors, and game players who have supported the line and the employees who put so much hard work into the Chainmail products. It was a labor of love, and your support has been appreciated.
The key word here is INTEND. Miriam-Webster says: transitive verb
1: to direct the mind on
2archaic : to proceed on (a course)
3 a: signify, mean b: to refer to
4 a: to have in mind as a purpose or goal : plan b: to design for a specified use or future
Yeah, I spose they can INTEND all they want, right, like they INTEND to print 2.0 cards for older sets?
Here's one including a post from Bert the Troll stating a simple list woulda been nice:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=866606&highlight=Chainmail+equivalentOne where the community volunteered to finish the project:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=878474&highlight=Chainmail+equivalentOne asking about using CM figs as All-Stars:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=15814137#post15814137Me again making a well-supported suggestion, COME ON, IT'S TEN CARDS PEOPLE!!:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=982543&highlight=Chainmail+equivalent"With the restatting of all the old cards, this is a great opportinuty for WotC to ensure backwards compatability they promised by completing the Chainmail equivalencies from Angelfire through Desert of Desolation: Dragon Queen -- War Ape Blood War -- Demonic Gnoll Adept= Demonic Gnoll Priestess Angelfire -- Abyssal Skulker Blood War -- Hammerer Blood War -- Howler Underdark -- Skeletal Equiceph Dragon Queen -- Hobgoblin Adept= Hobgoblin Talon of Tiamat War Drums -- Dwarf Hammer Priest= Warpriest of Moradin Unhallowed -- Ice Paraelemental= Large Ice Elemental Dragon Queen -- Gnoll Ranger= Demonic Gnoll Archer" And the most recent, as of March: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1002173&highlight=Chainmail+equivalentHeck, if they really wanted to show us some love, they'd provide cards for the pre-chainmail 3.5 and Silver anniversary minis -- Lidda's still Lidda, Jozan's still Jozan, I mean, it' s not that much of a stretch!
I do see a difference between intend and an absloute will.
Intend is most definitely a wriggle-room statement, that has room to work around. Though obviously the intent of their statement was that chain mail would be supported. It is the first time I have seen the chain mail statment btw, which is kinda why, I asked what it was.
This does not mean I am defending that wriggling around.
Indeed one of the things that really does annoy me, is how easy some of the conversion would of been. No play testing required, and less than 30 minutes for a web page to be deisgned and approved.
But I feel the wording *is* different and less room to wriggle (execpt as I stated above, a release schedule of one mini very two years) so remain hopeful.
I also feel strongly that if the consumer base doesnt think they will carry through, and accept that, then there is less reason to carry through in a timely manner.
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mordeus: I don't see "they are already done with restatting.... so much for Unhallowed" On this poll.
And that's what I am beginning to get afraid of.
It may be postponed until after championship/qualifer stuff though I hope not.
Then again delayed and late seem fairly common for WoTC judging by previews and past restating.
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stephengroy
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Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 05/15/2008 7:58 AM |
| I just don't see how WotC could go that far, then not provide the final TEN (ten!) cards for Chainmail. Seems kind of weird, don't it?
It gives me no faith in the 1.0 --> 2.0 project.
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Turboman
Warrior
210 Posts
| | 05/15/2008 10:36 AM |
| | Considering how terrible a product DDM 2.0 is I have less than zero faith they will complete this. Where is the "The DDM 2.0 game sucks so bad that making new cards for it is stupid" option? | |
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stephengroy
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Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 05/15/2008 11:59 AM |
| Knew I could count on you, Rob!
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realmaster
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| | 05/16/2008 10:47 PM |
| cause I live in a fantasy world
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paladin72
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32 Posts
| | 05/19/2008 5:08 PM |
| I honestly wish I could still have faith in gaming companies in general.:(
Unfortunately we live in an age of whoever the lowest bidder is, and quantity over quality.
Everyone has to rush, and make big changes to justify their jobs. Lots of times they don't get it right.
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| | 05/20/2008 2:10 AM |
| I'm pretty sure my Fantasy world is quite a bit scarier than the real world. 
Posted By realmaster on 05/16/2008 10:47 PM cause I live in a fantasy world so what if I live in a fantasy world. the real world is so big and mean and scary. ;)
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| | 05/20/2008 4:18 PM |
| Posted By Cthulhufnord on 05/20/2008 2:10 AM I'm pretty sure my Fantasy world is quite a bit scarier than the real world. Posted By realmaster on 05/16/2008 10:47 PM cause I live in a fantasy world so what if I live in a fantasy world. the real world is so big and mean and scary. ;)
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Depends on what you find truley scarey I guess, but I wouldn't bet large sums of money on it.
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stephengroy
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Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 05/20/2008 4:50 PM |
| | And here it is, 10 minutes to Pacific Time closing of most businesses. | |
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| | 05/20/2008 4:58 PM |
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| | 05/20/2008 5:16 PM |
| did they say the 20th?
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Turboman
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210 Posts
| | 05/20/2008 5:34 PM |
| | Yeah they are going to fall behind at first, then start to postpone them and finally they'll tell us that it is an impossible task. | |
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stephengroy
Underboss
1305 Posts
Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 05/20/2008 6:00 PM |
| Just liek Retro Epics!!
Chainmail cards again what? | |
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