Wraithborne
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West Virginia
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| Posted By Pedro on 05/21/2008 1:55 AM
Elder White Dragon - Why are they making another white? Isn't the gar one and large one enough? I want a Huge Gold!
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yack
Commander
3164 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 05/21/2008 4:44 AM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 05/21/2008 4:00 AM Posted By Pedro on 05/21/2008 1:55 AM
Elder White Dragon - Why are they making another white? Isn't the gar one and large one enough? I want a Huge Gold!
http://www.ebay.com/
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5638 Posts
| | 05/21/2008 5:54 AM |
| Who's Smaug?
Wow, just...wow....
I believe a red dragon is iconic and traditional to all people. Go and ask someone (not DD player) how a dragon looks like. Everyone will tell you it breathes fire and most of them will add that it's red. Red is the colour of the devil, and dragons were seen as forces of the devil some time ago. Plus, it goes well with fire.
I think this is how people see a dragon - like the red version. Claws, this type of wings (so no golden one's wing-like things), horns on head in this position (not like the black one's for example), red, intimidating and fire-breathing.
The Chinese have a red fire-breathing dragon as an important part of their mythology.
A lot of comp games have a red dragon as its "base" dragon, as the first and most traditinal and iconic one.
Well, my idea of a standard dragon is going to go green or brown, so I guess it's just a regional/cultural difference. | |
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Thailfi
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955 Posts
| | 05/21/2008 6:29 AM |
| Posted By Pedro on 05/21/2008 1:46 AM
Who's Smaug?
Lol. I see Peter Jackson has his work cut out for him in the Czech Republic.
As far as these spoilers go, I am not really liking what I see. I remember when Giants of Legend came out and I was indignant about the nightwalker as fiendish T-Rex as a waste of a huge spot when there were so many good things to chose from.
Then came War of the Dragon Queen and I realized how good we had it with GoL. We have now seen the majority of huge figures in this set and they are looking inferior even to WotDQ. I sold off the majority of my collection and I am now just buying a few of the singles I really like from the set. So far I haven't seen anything that would move me to an Ebay bid. | |
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greyhaze
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| | 05/21/2008 6:58 AM |
| Posted By Pedro on 05/21/2008 1:46 AM
I think this is how people see a dragon - like the red version. Claws, this type of wings (so no golden one's wing-like things), horns on head in this position (not like the black one's for example), red, intimidating and fire-breathing.
Just polled 5 random non-gamers, got Green x3, Red x1 and Gold x1.
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wicked cool
Underboss
2083 Posts
| | 05/21/2008 7:51 AM |
| | i think of red first then black then green . i dont think of the good dragons at all. Its to bad we are getting a huge white and silver instead of green black or blue. | |
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MarioCleanstuff
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324 Posts
San Diego, CA
| | 05/21/2008 8:41 AM |
| | Before I started playing D&D, I always thought of dragons as green. Now when I think of dragons, reds are the first to come to mind, followed by blues and then silvers. | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1497 Posts
Spain
| | 05/21/2008 9:00 AM |
| | I,m losing all the illusion I used to have before a new D&D release with the last two sets.I do not know if it is because I,m becoming older or dislike the new 2.0 rules but this is my current situation: losing insterest in new sets.I only find clones,clones and more bad clones of old minis we already own tons of them.I know they ,re looking for new customers but...c,mon you can adquire old minis not so hard and there are a lot of main D&D critter that have not appeared yet (mimic, remorhaz, yotchlol, huge green, mountain giant, etc,etc...).There is no need to make the red dragon clone number X.If the clones would be a sculpt improvement at least...but not | |
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Pedro
Commander
3922 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 05/21/2008 9:05 AM |
| Posted By yack on 05/21/2008 4:44 AM Posted By Wraithborne on 05/21/2008 4:00 AM Posted By Pedro on 05/21/2008 1:55 AM
Elder White Dragon - Why are they making another white? Isn't the gar one and large one enough? I want a Huge Gold!
http://www.ebay.com/Why would you want a huge Gold over a brand new size white dragon we have one already!!! Doesn't make any sense. And no the gar and the large is not enough...welcome to RPG. But the huge Red (also already done)was overkill should of been a Blue. New players or not they too need a huge blue.
Because the old one isn't golden, it's gold-green. It looks very bad. I like gold dragons the most, so that's why I want a better looking one. And we already have Icingdeath and that's almost the same thing as another huge one. Also, the availability and price of the old gold one is very unfriendly.
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Pedro
Commander
3922 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 05/21/2008 9:12 AM |
| Posted By Username on 05/21/2008 5:54 AM Who's Smaug? Wow, just...wow....
I thought it could have been Šmak, but I didn't know for sure.
It was translated here of course. | |
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Pedro
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3922 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 05/21/2008 9:15 AM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 05/21/2008 6:58 AM Posted By Pedro on 05/21/2008 1:46 AM
I think this is how people see a dragon - like the red version. Claws, this type of wings (so no golden one's wing-like things), horns on head in this position (not like the black one's for example), red, intimidating and fire-breathing. Just polled 5 random non-gamers, got Green x3, Red x1 and Gold x1. "i have a dumb question for ya, when you think of a dragon, what's the first colour that comes to mind?"
I got 2x red, 1x brown/green, 1x can change colours at will. All think they breath fire, are wild and cannot cast spells.
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greyhaze
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5841 Posts
| | 05/21/2008 9:26 AM |
| | So, I'd say "new" players have no idea and wouldn't care if it were Red or not. | |
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Mjollnir
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Canary Islands - Spain
| | 05/21/2008 9:29 AM |
| | -sigh!- I long for the Nalfeshnee... | |
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Teflon Jeff
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7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 05/21/2008 9:50 AM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 05/20/2008 8:50 PM Posted By LCS on 05/20/2008 8:45 PM
There are plenty of old-timers who don't own the GoL huge red, unless "old-timers" doesn't include people that haven't been collecting DDM for more than four years...
*snip* Yeh, but would you have been upset if it were a huge black, blue or 3.5 green instead of a red?
I'm not saying those are bad choices, just not the best choice. The audience they are trying to grab are people familiar with D&D (Thus making red the most iconic) but weren't playing/collecting DDM the first time around, and as such, don't have any DDM, or very, very few. For these players, a Red Dragon will drive sales better than any other. And this year is about acquisiton, they need to grow the player base for the line to continue successfully. Of course, that also means not losing existing players, which is why there's also a Huge white.
You can please some of the people all of the time, or all of the people some of the time. Same thing for minis sets.
You can make some minis in a set for all people, or all minis in a set for some people.
But all the minis in the set can't be made for all people. There's just too much variance.
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greyhaze
Warlord
5841 Posts
| | 05/21/2008 9:56 AM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 05/21/2008 9:50 AM
But all the minis in the set can't be made for all people. There's just too much variance.
My only argument is that they had control over this particular variance.
There was no reason, imho, that the red had to be redone over the black, blue or green. Speculation that a huge Red would sell the line better or bring in more revenue is just that - speculation. And if the old players purchase less because of repeats, how is that selling the line better? They're just swapping out players instead of grabbing the larger market. Huge Blue dragon? New players AND old players will buy that... huge Red = a gamble. | |
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zenthrus
Commander
4836 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 05/21/2008 6:04 PM |
| Posted By Mjollnir on 05/21/2008 9:29 AM
-sigh!- I long for the Nalfeshnee... Just don't start writing emo-esque poetry to it 
On a (slightly) more serious note, I agree. I'd much rather see a Nalfeshnee than another huge good-aligned dragon. I'll take a Huge White, though, and I have no objections to another Huge Red since newer collectors have to shell out absurd amounts for the GoL version.
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mazra
Sergeant
358 Posts
Canton, GA
| | 05/22/2008 1:18 PM |
| Long for the Nalfeshnee
the heroic Bard sings
tales of the giant demon
bourne on little wings
Beware the Boar-faced terror
Causing fear in its midst
serving the Demon Lords
judging souls from deep Abyss
Pray that you do not see one
Run if one approaches near
Your party needs its blades sharp
And make its saves from fear
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 05/22/2008 1:34 PM |
| My Eyes!!
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Cthulhufnord
Warlord
10802 Posts
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| | 05/22/2008 1:36 PM |
| That's right. I'll give 'em back for my wallet.
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| | 05/22/2008 1:39 PM |
| Posted By Cthulhufnord on 05/22/2008 1:36 PM That's right. I'll give 'em back for my wallet. 
You're lucky I need to see...
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stephengroy
Underboss
1362 Posts
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| | 05/22/2008 3:27 PM |
| | I need to see Unhallowed cards! | |
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kyrin
Commander
3152 Posts
| | 05/22/2008 3:58 PM |
| Posted By Pedro on 05/21/2008 1:46 AM
Who's Smaug?
Since no one seems to want to actually... well, answer you, Pedro: Smaug the Golden was the Big Bad Nasty in Toklien's book The Hobbit. He was a reddish-gold in color. From the Font of All Knowledge:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smaug
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stephengroy
Underboss
1362 Posts
Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 05/22/2008 4:49 PM |
| Posted By kyrin on 05/22/2008 3:58 PM From the Font of All Knowledge:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smaug
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kyrin
Commander
3152 Posts
| | 05/22/2008 7:42 PM |
| Posted By stephengroy on 05/22/2008 4:49 PM Posted By kyrin on 05/22/2008 3:58 PM From the Font of All Knowledge:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smaug
Or as I like to call it "The Truth by General Consensus"
Is there any other kind? :-)
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gausse
Sergeant
951 Posts
Wisconsin
| | 05/27/2008 11:18 PM |
| There are a few new spoliers listed over at DDMSpoilers. Chain Golem, Death Titan and Blackroot Treant. Treant looks cool.
http://ddmspoilers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1449
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Lord_rock
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1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 05/27/2008 11:48 PM |
| | Everytime this thread pops to the top of the general thread and I click on it without fully entering the general forum I die just a little inside in anticipation of it being the begininning of he unhallowed spoilers... | |
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Pedro
Commander
3922 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 05/28/2008 12:08 AM |
| Posted By Lord_rock on 05/27/2008 11:48 PM
Everytime this thread pops to the top of the general thread and I click on it without fully entering the general forum I die just a little inside in anticipation of it being the begininning of he unhallowed spoilers...
Exactly what I thought a minute ago. New spoilers, great!
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Mjollnir
Underboss
1437 Posts
Canary Islands - Spain
| | 05/28/2008 5:55 AM |
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Those numbers and letter codes below, have something to do with their rarities? cause I can't manage to guess which they are. I guess Chain Golem and Death Titan might be rares and the Blackroot Treant possibly uncommon, but they're only guesses.
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Vrecknidj
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United States
| | 05/28/2008 6:01 AM |
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Warlord
5638 Posts
| | 05/28/2008 7:17 AM |
| *sigh*.....
I'm really not impressed with the huge selection. Maybe the painted models will change my mind. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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zenthrus
Commander
4836 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 05/28/2008 7:34 AM |
| Posted By mazra on 05/22/2008 1:18 PM
Sorry Zenthrus, I couldn't resist! That makes me angry and sad all at the same time and I don't know why 
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berus316
Sergeant
632 Posts
Markham, Ontario Canada
| | 05/28/2008 8:09 AM |
| Wow... these could be really bad or pretty good.
I guess the paint will make all the difference. | |
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Warlord
5638 Posts
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Those numbers and letter codes below, have something to do with their rarities? cause I can't manage to guess which they are. I guess Chain Golem and Death Titan might be rares and the Blackroot Treant possibly uncommon, but they're only guesses.
The letter codes are the factions U - Underdark, W - The Wilds, B - Borderlands, and C - Civilization. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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greyhaze
Warlord
5841 Posts
| | 05/28/2008 9:00 AM |
| Posted By berus316 on 05/28/2008 8:09 AM
Wow... these could be really bad or pretty good.
I guess the paint will make all the difference.
Painted versions up. | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3191 Posts
Netherlands
| | 05/28/2008 10:13 AM |
| ok, painted death knight is pretty , but what is that treant supposed to be?
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yack
Commander
3164 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 05/28/2008 10:42 AM |
| | Wow this set is going down hill bad. :( | |
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berus316
Sergeant
632 Posts
Markham, Ontario Canada
| | 05/28/2008 11:18 AM |
| Posted By yack on 05/28/2008 10:42 AM
Wow this set is going down hill bad. :( I'm not sure it's that bad yet. It is definitely not 'Smokin', but some pretty cool pieces.
We're at about 26 of 60 so far, no 10/10 yet and 3x 0/10 which isn't good.
We'll see.
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