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05/21/2008 9:15 PM  

Against the Giants isn't restricted just to titans and giants -- if you include the dragonborn, there are just as many dragons in the set. Dungeons & Dragons has (obviously!) had a long history of these scaly fiends and their friends.

Elder White Dragon

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Of all the dragon miniatures that have been released since Dragoneye, I think this one is my favorite. There is something about the pose that just leaps out at me; this looks like the ferocious savage that the white dragon is.

With this second preview of a huge figure, I need to add another snippet on Epic play. When you first get a chance to tear open your boosters, make sure you look at the inserted checklist. The insert has a specific rule for the miniatures game just for Huge creatures -- the ability to squeeze. For casual play, you don't need to have a map designed specifically for huge creatures. Here are the squeezing rules:

Squeeze: Move, Huge creature only; treat this creature as Large (2-square-by-2-square base) and move it up to half its Speed. At the end of this move, it expands back into its normal size and must occupy a legal position (including the space in which it ended the squeeze action). While squeezing, the creature grants combat advantage to all enemies and has -5 Attack (if it is able to attack while moving). It provokes opportunity attacks from enemies that are adjacent to it at the start of the squeeze.

Dragonborn Defender

Last week you saw one of the two Dragonborn in Against the Giants. Now we show the other. This fighter, armed with a bone longsword and shield, costs a comfortable 31 points. While a little slow, his damage output is higher than average for his level -- especially if you manage to bloody a few enemies first.

There's another week down. Up next -- Demons and Angels. Here's a little nugget of cheese for you to chew on -- there is a 3-point common figure in Against the Giants that is usable in Wild and Underdark warbands.

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05/21/2008 9:37 PM  
Thanks for posting, majistral. The white dragon is turned so we don't see the full spread of the wings and how bad the overhang is. Another dragonborn--meh.

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05/21/2008 9:52 PM  
I'm looking forward to the huge white while I second Corim Danex on the dragonborn - meh.

So far there are just too many minis I would hardly ever use under 3.5 rules. Therefore it's probably going to be ebay only for this set.

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05/21/2008 10:02 PM  
Note that the Dragonborn is a rare, just like the one previewed last week. That's just disappointing. On the other hand, the Elder White is the best dragon in a long time. A long time. SGB

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05/21/2008 10:50 PM  
Bleh.... rare Dragonborns....  Nice to see the big whites stat card though.

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05/22/2008 12:26 AM  

I like the White Dragon, although I am concerned about the amount of overhang the mini has.

 

Still, I'd rather have a Huge White Dragon with overhang instead of no Huge White Dragon at all.

 

I'm really not liking the 2 Rare Dragonborns.  Even if they were Uncommons I don't think I would want any more than one of each.  As Rares they are definitely 2 minis I hope I don't find in my boosters.

 

Next week sounds interesting.  I wonder if we'll get a huge demon or just a large/medium sized one?  And I wonder if the angel will look as awful as the one in DoDr

 

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05/22/2008 12:30 AM  
Possibly the best dragon fig made so far. I can't wait to get one.


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05/22/2008 12:54 AM  
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05/22/2008 1:28 AM  

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05/22/2008 1:30 AM  
I'm generally not too fond of white dragons, but this one is quite appealing to me. I think I will keep one if no better offer arises, since I already own Icingdeath. And he looks good skirmish-wise!

I like dragonborn's sword. And his stats don't look bad. MIght after all keep one.

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05/22/2008 2:04 AM  
I don't like demons or the new look angels, so next week with be bleh again. They're doing a really good job of killing my interest in future sets.

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05/22/2008 2:44 AM  
I like both but we do not need another white since we already have icingdeath and the large one.But it is OK.The dragonborn is very cool

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05/22/2008 3:23 AM  

Sweet.Â

Very nice preview.  I like both figures.  The Elder White Dragon looks awsome, maybe one of the best dragon sculpts ever; the Dragonborn Defender looks usable stat wise for the point cost.Â

And the teaser, "a 3-point common figure in Against the Giants that is usable in Wild and Underdark warbands."  Very nice.  Can't wait to see this one.Â





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05/22/2008 3:43 AM  
Nothing to see here, move along.

We already knew about the white. The overhang is absurd. Some people are excited by the pose, others are annoyed by the overhang. For me, the miniature is just going to annoy me if I try to use it in RPG, with miniatures ending up knocked over or positioned incorrectly - so I won't buy one.

Another dragonyawn? I don't like the idea of half-dragons for PCs, so I'll pass on this one too. As a rare, it'll be overly expensive on the singles market anyway.

Are we getting both dragonyawns and dragonspew (of various hues) in 4e? With worgs now looking liking dragonspew (the Guulvorg), it'll be a relief to see something that doesn't look like a dragon. I thought the new 'monster club' concept of the Monster Manual was going to do away with overlapping creatures. I like my dragons to actually be dragons, and I'm not interested in all of these half-dragon half-whatever type creatures.

I am totally bored by this set. It sounds as though we might get an Aboleth, but only after another pointless size category shift. I hope they confim that one blur as a cockatrice soon, or I'll be waiting on spoilers for the next set.

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05/22/2008 4:02 AM  
Wow I'm really feeling dry with this set. Love the huge white we needed it. I'll take 2 but another dragonborn....sigh.

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05/22/2008 4:12 AM  
KOBOLD MINION!!

Sweet.

3 pt mini.

KOBOLD MINION!

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05/22/2008 4:35 AM  
Minion, hmm... I really wonder if those minion rules come to DDM? You might have to activate all minions of same type at the same time, which is nothing new. But it would be cool :)

Kobold archer is Borderlands/Wild, right? What could be 3pt underdark/Wild...? Kobold is possible. Small spider? Or mushroom farmer? ;)

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05/22/2008 5:18 AM  
Posted By lingster on 05/22/2008 4:12 AM
KOBOLD MINION!!

Sweet.

3 pt mini.

KOBOLD MINION!

3pt mini I get, but where do you get the KoboldMinion reference from?

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05/22/2008 5:23 AM  
The 3-point piece for Wild/Underdark is probably the most important bit of news in this particular release. The Dragonborn Defender looks more than viable.

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05/22/2008 5:31 AM  
Love the Elder White.
Don't have any use for Dragonborn. We already have plenty of 1/2 dragons and such.
Another lackluster preview.

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05/22/2008 5:47 AM  
LOVE the sculpt and paint job for the Elder White. The DB Defender on the other hand.....

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05/22/2008 7:18 AM  
The White looks awesome! I must admit it isone of my favorite chromatic dragons. Stats seem less impressive, but hard to tell without knowing the scaling of stats in epic. Right now it doesn't say: "I can handle the work of half a warband, pick me!"

I'll gladly take a few of these dragonborns. Statwise they look very solid at an interesting pointcost. And I don't mind the look either.

This is actually the first preview that gets me excited. Now all I need is the Unhallowed stats and I'll be a happy man:-)

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05/22/2008 7:51 AM  
"a little nugget of cheese to chew on"

10:1 says the 3 point Wild/Underdark mini is some version of rat (normal or Dire).

Like the Huge White. Wish it didn't overhang quite so much (or that the wings were higher off the ground so other minis would fit better around the base).

While I'm not a fan of Dragonborn I do like the sculpt and the bone sword. Very dynamic. Unfortunately, the Dragonborn also appears to be overhanging his base and judging by the overhang I'd guess he's pushing over 35mm (close to the old Large-size).

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05/22/2008 7:59 AM  
The new Overhang King has been crowned! Nice sculpt otherwise, thought.

I'm not enjoying the Dragonborn. It's an embarrassing rare with a lackluster paint job; both Dragonborn should be uncommon. The other Dragonborn looks better than this, and that's not saying much; what's with the figure-skating pose?

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05/22/2008 9:11 AM  
Posted By maijstral on 05/21/2008 9:15 PM

There's another week down. Up next -- Demons and Angels. Here's a little nugget of cheese for you to chew on -- there is a 3-point common figure in Against the Giants that is usable in Wild and Underdark warbands.



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05/22/2008 9:14 AM  
At last, WotC has given me something worthy to put on a poster! The Huge White is going right on a promotional poster for my FLGS. Hopefully more worthy image will come out in future previews.

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05/22/2008 9:46 AM  
Meh.
Not much else to say as I don't want either.

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05/22/2008 9:51 AM  
Well, well, well.  I am at the front of the line to complain about overhang.  I am  also at the front of the line to complain about size creep.  FAR too many minis have been made too big for my liking!

That being said, I absolutely love the white dragon.  It would be a total pain in the rear to skirmish with.  Oh well.  And for RPG, well, I will just use it as a gargantuan dragon if I have to (don't care about the base size when I am RPGing so much).  But that dragon simply looks great!  I hope that is what it looks like out of the box.   And now I finally have one mini I am very excited about  in this set (I do kinda like the stone giant titain whatever it is... it will be a earth elemental for my world).

Making large minis basically huge minis on large bases sux.  Making medium minis basically large minis on medium bases sux.  Making 7' tall elves sux.Â

But making something like a dragon that can be just about anysize is different.   I could care less that it is on a huge base but is actually bigger than huge.  White dragons can be bigger than huge.  As long as it doesn't tip over, which I dont think it will, I am happy.

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05/22/2008 9:53 AM  
I'm liking both of these, the Huge white fills the gap very well, and finishe out the set of whites.

I like the Dragonborn, skirmishwise, and I'm a big fan of the race in general, so I'm pretty excited about that as well.

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05/22/2008 10:38 AM  
Love the white... Like the db defender but am sad it's a rare.

Sculptsare both nice and stats are solid on both.

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05/22/2008 11:28 AM  
Posted By Dordledum on 05/22/2008 5:18 AM
Posted By lingster on 05/22/2008 4:12 AM
KOBOLD MINION!!

Sweet.

3 pt mini.

KOBOLD MINION!

3pt mini I get, but where do you get the KoboldMinion reference from?

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05/22/2008 11:38 AM  
Posted By Sirohk on 05/22/2008 3:23 AM

Sweet.Â

Very nice preview.  I like both figures.  The Elder White Dragon looks awsome, maybe one of the best dragon sculpts ever; the Dragonborn Defender looks usable stat wise for the point cost.Â

And the teaser, "a 3-point common figure in Against the Giants that is usable in Wild and Underdark warbands."  Very nice.  Can't wait to see this one.Â




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05/22/2008 11:50 AM  
Hi Everyone,

Icingdeath JR. is a nice fig.

The Dragonborn is a meh for me too, and I usually like Dragonborns. The pose looks more ackward than dynamic. Maybe it is the scale, but it looks small. I like Dragonborns to be hulking figures. They need to live up to their name for pete sake.

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05/22/2008 1:58 PM  
At least an interesting mini. Though I'd prefer the dragon on its 4 legs, I'll definitely have a use for it.
No use for the dragonborn. Good it's a rare, since I'll only get one of these (well, 2 if I'm unlucky).
Overall, still not enough to make this set really interesting... Hope the next previews are better, but if one of the next minis is a kobold... Errrr...

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05/22/2008 3:09 PM  
Nice dragon. I have no problem with the dragonborn being a rare as long as we get sweet uncommons (ie. Fire Giant Raider).

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05/22/2008 4:15 PM  
Posted By iluvxtina on 05/22/2008 2:44 AM
I like both but we do not need another white since we already have icingdeath and the large one.But it is OK.The dragonborn is very cool


Icingdeath is Gargantuan.  This one is huge.  Personally I'm happy to see a Huge White.  I really hope we see a Huge Green and Blue (plus a Black without a tumour.....errrr......I mean rider).

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05/22/2008 4:40 PM  
Dang. This set looks the most likley for me avoiding a case ever. Too many rares I wouldn't want. Espically as I find myself caring less and less about the skirmish stats.
There is some irony that in a huge set, the most sought skirmish piece is the 3pter. (and yeah, must be a rat)

Two dragonborn rares - meh.

I like huge Red/Silver/White but already have a Huge red, and Bahaumat can sub for when I might need huge silver, and Icing death is close enough for me to use as a huge white. Espically as looks lie will take the same space up on a battlemap.
Not that I'd be upset with any of them as pulls, but *shrug* don't have that 'must have' feel.




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05/22/2008 9:30 PM  
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 05/22/2008 9:53 AM
I'm liking both of these, the Huge white fills the gap very well, and finishe out the set of whites.
Where's my Tiny White Dragon? Still need one for the Sunless Citadel


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05/22/2008 10:06 PM  
Posted By zenthrus on 05/22/2008 9:30 PM
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 05/22/2008 9:53 AM
I'm liking both of these, the Huge white fills the gap very well, and finishe out the set of whites.
Where's my Tiny White Dragon? Still need one for the Sunless Citadel



I thought they did one already... Huh, guess you'll have to use the medium.

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