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Lord_rock
Underboss
1777 Posts
    
Portland OR
 | | 05/26/2008 5:04 PM |
| At this point no one else has said it so I guess I will:
WOW WOTC's, you messed this up again.
No stats for unhallowed and we're less than a week away from it
rotating in. No word if they will be out before qualifiers meaning the
qualifiers winners will likely be whoever has the most time to review
the new figures before the tourny rather than the best player.
You dropped new rules just just just before the last qualifiers I went
to and I suffered very badly because of it (as did many others). My
hope is that you'll hold off stats until next week but then if I plan
around that I'm screwed... If I wait and wait and wait and stats never
come I'm also screwed due to lack of testing. And don't even get me
started on the lack of BETA stats... there will be errors... human
error is the only garuntee.
I'm very disapponted at the lack of communication on this issue. Any of
the above problems could very very very easily be addressed with a
simple update saying "No BETA stats this time for Unhollowed and we'll
release the final stats on ______." instead we're met with the
insecurity and anger of silence.
WAKE UP!
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Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10252 Posts
United States
| | 05/26/2008 5:48 PM |
| While it's totally fine to vent frustrations here, and I have no opposition to Lord-rock's anger, and while I'm happy for others to express their own feelings, I just want to point out that, like the post above, civility can be kept.
We're all pretty irritated by the really short time-frames we've been given between either rules and events or cards and events. I applaud Lord_rock for getting this out into the open without being more hostile.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1777 Posts
Portland OR
| | 05/26/2008 5:57 PM |
| It was indeed a venting of frustrations in a logical manor based on my own experiences. I'm sure there are many other's who feel the same and therefore would like to hear that I'm totally crazy or not alone in this.
I totally advocate for civility in all discussions here... just a little place for people to vent thier displeasure in a constructive way that could be read by someone, and hopefully hopefully, responded to in the least.
In the past we have "got our way" by being a verbal community but staying rational. I hope this could be the begining of that again. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1777 Posts
Portland OR
| | 05/26/2008 6:10 PM |
| I know you're reading...
go ahead... get it all out there (just be civil) | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
8879 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 05/26/2008 6:14 PM |
| | I've been a little concerned about this as well. With so little time to digest the stats of new pieces, we're almost getting a combination of both the constructed and limited environments. In previous years, it was nice to be able to test different warbands against each other on different maps. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10252 Posts
United States
| | 05/26/2008 7:17 PM |
| Here's how I suspect things will go. This year is crazy. WotC staff knew it would be crazy. Hell, having GenCon declare bankruptcy probably felt to them like a "What the hell else can go wrong?!" kind of thing. With 4e and new minis rules, and all kinds of other things going on, I'm sure they're frazzled. I have no idea what the conversations were like, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that, when Peter got the job, the others gave him a "You're going to just have to let a lot roll off you this year" speech. With all the re-statting of pieces, and with the All Stars, and all the new rules, it is probably sheer hell in Seattle.
Next year, though, it'll be different. At this point, heck, in April, the rules will be far superior (tested by fire, as it were). The introduction of new set stuff will be far more managed, and we'll all be in a better place. Between now and then, we'll probably get a handle on Vintage, and they might even have worked out some of the details about qualifying spots that makes more sense to the community.
Still, that doesn't make our current troubles any less troubling.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
5758 Posts
| | 05/26/2008 8:47 PM |
| | I think you're wishing for an awful lot. Their plate is full, they can't handle it. The product is suffering and I'm losing interest every day. | |
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Called Shots: Frost Giant in Demon Web, Darkenbeast in Feywild. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
8879 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 05/26/2008 10:00 PM |
| | I do think that Dave is right on this one. This is a year of flux over at WotC. Things should be A LOT more stable this time next year. It remains to be seen, if the customer base for DDM will remain as strong though. | |
Over 270 successful online DDM trades. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1777 Posts
Portland OR
| | 05/26/2008 11:08 PM |
| tough or not if your audience buys the ticket and you don't show they get angry... You do it two, then three times and you just lost a lot of fans.
There may not be a next year.
Quit farming out to individual talents for the fluff articles that while fun and a nice read while I'm waiting for the real goods to show up and use that time, $, and manpower to make sure the real goods get there... We would like unhallowed stats or at least communication about them and we get spotlight articles and internal league posts.
I'm out for the evening... The sooner I go to sleep the sooner I can wake up to be disapponted again. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Pedro
Commander
3922 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 05/26/2008 11:43 PM |
| Posted By Lord_rock on 05/26/2008 11:08 PM
tough or not if your audience buys the ticket and you don't show they get angry... You do it two, then three times and you just lost a lot of fans.
Most people will not show the second time if you don't show up and refuse to give any excuse.
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Sirohk
Commander
3779 Posts
USA
| | 05/27/2008 3:38 AM |
| I do agree with Dave that this year is indeed a year in flux - a lot to do in a very short time frame (and not just for the mini's department). But by gosh golly they should have had a little more foresight with the restatting and built a little more cushion into their schedule.Â
I can understand the re-statting issues with DoD1 (get overpowered pices right).Â
I can understand the restatting issues with Night Below (same).Â
I can understand introducing the errata and Victory Points articles to get clarifications out there asap. VP articles are a great idea.Â
DoD2 was on time. Kudos.Â
It looks like Against the Giants will be on time.Â
I cannot understand why the Unhallowed beta are not out yet nor them being introduced and possibly available for use within a very short time frame before a Qualifier. Especially with very little or no communication on the issue (at least more than "soon"). A little communication here would have gone a long ways at easing the communities angst - "We've had a few unexpected problems or delays"; "The Unhallowed beta stats will be released ..."; " "Unhallowed 2.0 will be legal ..."; etc...
Makes me wonder if the All Stars will be done on time / schedule AND when Vintage (there are a lot more minis to restat here) will be ready.Â
And it saddens me greatly to see this great game loosing folks. The new system and having Standard and Vintage makes DDM a much better and improved game. Multiple Championships and such. The new rules are great and WotC IS trying to make fixes on the fly to keep play balanced and fair. Â
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azuretide
Sergeant
407 Posts
| | 05/27/2008 4:22 AM |
| It is my understanding that several people have been play testing with the UH pieces already. Perhaps they are going to release these cards in their final version. While I don't like this method as it allows unfair advantage to those playtesters chosen by wizards, this may be the reason for the delay.Â
As a side note, if wizards does this for the all stars I will be voicing a complaint as an extra month to practice with all the pieces before gencon is an extreme advantage for the players doing the testing in an event as big as the world championships. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
11102 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 05/27/2008 6:23 AM |
| | I'll tell you what, the things mentioned above are pretty bad but not as bad as higher booster prices and fewer minis per booster. Ugh! I honestly can't see how they are going to be able to maintain acceptable sales levels. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
5758 Posts
| | 05/27/2008 6:33 AM |
| | After the quality in DDR, I'm not really all that impressed with the minis of late. To me, the paint jobs were horrible, and many of the sculpts were terrible. | |
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Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Demon Web, Darkenbeast in Feywild. | |
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
521 Posts
| | 05/27/2008 7:07 AM |
| To think, all of these ill feelings could be avoided with a simple response by WOTC.
I don't think they (WOTC) know just how annoyed, irritated and just downright underappreciated (it's akin to disrespect, I think) their fans feel.
And if you're telling me that things will be more stable by NEXT year...then my friends you've lost an advocate for what used to be a great game. | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3149 Posts
Netherlands
| | 05/27/2008 7:16 AM |
| I just hope they'll post the Unhalowed cards anytime soon,
D. | |
Member of the Bearded Devils
Champion of the Huge Spider (WotDQ 46/60), A New Umber Hulk (DoDe 57/60), and Hardcopy Printed DDM 2.0 Stat-Cards for all Minis! | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 05/27/2008 7:49 AM |
| Posted By azuretide on 05/27/2008 4:22 AM
It is my understanding that several people have been play testing with the UH pieces already. Perhaps they are going to release these cards in their final version. While I don't like this method as it allows unfair advantage to those playtesters chosen by wizards, this may be the reason for the delay.Â
As a side note, if wizards does this for the all stars I will be voicing a complaint as an extra month to practice with all the pieces before gencon is an extreme advantage for the players doing the testing in an event as big as the world championships.Â
The Unhallowed stats have been done,at least the beta version, since april 23rd and have been sitting in the art dept since then waiting for the cards to be put together.
Right now its out of Shoe and Peters hands the slow down is entirely in another department.
I'm usually pretty easy going about these sort of things since I'm not that competative a player but the long drawn out delay does not bode well for the rest of the sets. If they are having this much trouble getting out a set they knew they were going to restat from the get go how much more trouble are they going to have with the other sets. They only decided at the last minute to restat everything so they haven't even started on Blood war, for example, and there is no scheduled time frame for that and no profit involved so you know Hasbro is not going to cut them any slack with the other restating and that means no extra resources to do it.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10252 Posts
United States
| | 05/27/2008 7:55 AM |
| Posted By azuretide on 05/27/2008 4:22 AM
It is my understanding that several people have been play testing with the UH pieces already. Perhaps they are going to release these cards in their final version. While I don't like this method as it allows unfair advantage to those playtesters chosen by wizards, this may be the reason for the delay. This is an interesting point. I believe that in the past, some folks like Derry or Tried were allowed to see things early, because they were judging major events, or because WotC needed an extra set of eyes, or something. This has come up as an advantage issue, and both Derry and Tried have written very good pieces demonstrating that their integrity is safe. It's not like insider trading. I'm sure some folks wonder, because these are some of the best players in the game. But, conversely, I assume that this is precisely the kind of person we want to be taking a look at things. Although this could make a difference in qualifying events, so long as no one attending qualifiers has advanced knowledge, I'm okay with it. (Having advanced hearsay, on the other hand, isn't a problem. Rumors are rumors.) But, I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that some people have been play testing (how else would they check the stats), and that some of that play testing has resulted in leaked rumors. I hope that there hasn't been any leaking of actual stats, but, who knows.
As a side note, if wizards does this for the all stars I will be voicing a complaint as an extra month to practice with all the pieces before gencon is an extreme advantage for the players doing the testing in an event as big as the world championships. This is spot on. If there are going to be people playing in the championship, and if some of those people have access to the All Stars a month ahead of the other players, that's an advantage that cannot be tolerated. This is one of those issues, like a judge recusing herself, where the players in question should really be upfront about it and perhaps disqualify themselves.
Of course, the simpler solution is for WotC to either make the stats available earlier to everyone, or to not make them available early to anyone.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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stephengroy
Underboss
1338 Posts
Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 05/27/2008 8:55 AM |
| Chainmail what?
Dreamblade what?
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Waiting for Chainmail Equivalencies since 2005
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Turboman
Warrior
212 Posts
| | 05/27/2008 9:55 AM |
| | I honestly doubt the qualifier meta will change from Eternal Blade Mania much even with Unhallowed in the mix. Still, yes they failed to do what they said they were. | |
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stephengroy
Underboss
1338 Posts
Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 05/27/2008 10:29 AM |
| Untrue: WotC CHANGED the Unhallowed cards to "May".
There are four days left in May.
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digital13jw
Skirmisher
31 Posts
| | 05/27/2008 10:33 AM |
| | Maybe someone from WotC will realize that the Top 2 thing was a bad idea and they will extend invites to the top 4. (Wishful Thinking) The way it is now it will actually hurt the attendance of the championship, unless of course that was the point. WotC wanted lower numbers due to the problems they were having with GenCon and this was a convenient way to do that without officially saying they want a lower turnout this year. | | | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10252 Posts
United States
| | 05/27/2008 11:43 AM |
| Posted By Turboman on 05/27/2008 9:55 AM
I honestly doubt the qualifier meta will change from Eternal Blade Mania much even with Unhallowed in the mix. Still, yes they failed to do what they said they were. It would take some doing to get the meta to shift away from Borderlands with Eternal Blade as the primary champion. I agree. Right now, Borderlands bands can do the most damage the fastest, have the best champions and champion powers, and the best support and fodder.
With a 3-point piece for both Wild and Underdark in AtG, the fodder problem will be solved, but that's a long way off. The Wild Mage can be used in Wild, though isn't as effective without the Eternal Blade (however, I can imagine that it would be possible to find a way, in Wild, to boost the Wild Mage).
If Shadow Dragons can be made a little tougher, then they can fairly easily compete. Same with the Mind Flayer Lich.
It will be interesting to see if the Virtuous Charger is a Wild piece that's out of this world. I would be surprised if the Large Black Dragon were substandard, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it outclassed by the Large Shadow.
There are a lot of pieces in Unhallowed that could be really nice. But, it is hard to see how EB/Wulf, etc. can be adequately challenged. I suppose if there are more ways to thwart a charge, that the Warhorse bands take a hit. And, if we get a more reliable snake's swiftness platform we'll be in good shape too.
Dave
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Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Username
Warlord
5557 Posts
| | 05/27/2008 2:34 PM |
| We would like unhallowed stats or at least communication about them and we get spotlight articles and internal league posts.
Nitpick - Spotlight articles (and a few other postings) are 'fan/player' submissions. They are edited and posted by WotC. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
Username - he deals in minis
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 05/27/2008 2:41 PM |
| Posted By Username on 05/27/2008 2:34 PM We would like unhallowed stats or at least communication about them and we get spotlight articles and internal league posts. Nitpick - Spotlight articles (and a few other postings) are 'fan/player' submissions. They are hacked up edited and posted by WotC.
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1497 Posts
Spain
| | 05/27/2008 3:05 PM |
| | I prefer they take more time to convert the unhallowed set than do not so.I explain myself:the large black dragon.This piece dominated all the past metagame during months and this is not healthy for a wargame like D&D.WotC ,take your time, test the minis well, make a very good playtesting and do not create powerhouses wich make this game boring. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1777 Posts
Portland OR
| | 05/27/2008 3:28 PM |
| Posted By iluvxtina on 05/27/2008 3:05 PM
I prefer they take more time to convert the unhallowed set than do not so.I explain myself:the large black dragon.This piece dominated all the past metagame during months and this is not healthy for a wargame like D&D.WotC ,take your time, test the minis well, make a very good playtesting and do not create powerhouses wich make this game boring.
I'm all for them taking more time to get things done properly... but they need to tell us that that is what they are doing. Instead they tell us there will be BETA stats out and tell us final stats will be out for use by June 1st and it's May 27th and there are no BETA stats and there is NO communication about why, when, or really anything.Â
Don't spend time hacking/editing fan submissions and take the time to send out a "we're really sorry. We have a lot on our plates right now. No Unhallowed BETA stats but we are doing more thourough BETA testing ourselves and need more time. Because of this Unhallowed will not rotate into official play before at least July 1st."
and everyone would be so happy to have all thier fears put aside that there would be far less outcry, complaining, grumbling, and less people leaving the game.
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Finally, the idea that there are people playtesting Unhallowed figures and then being able to compete in qualifiers actually makes me a little sick to the stomach. If the "rumors" hold even a hint of truth then that is a sad sad day for us all and if confirmation of this came I don't know if the game could survive this backlash at this time. I really really really hope this isn't happening.Â
(okay, done being a doomsdayer... until the next piece of bad news piles up... after that it's on again...must keep civility...tra la la).
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Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1777 Posts
Portland OR
| | 05/27/2008 3:36 PM |
| Posted By maijstral on 05/27/2008 7:49 AM I'm usually pretty easy going about these sort of things since I'm not that competative a player but the long drawn out delay does not bode well for the rest of the sets. If they are having this much trouble getting out a set they knew they were going to restat from the get go how much more trouble are they going to have with the other sets. They only decided at the last minute to restat everything so they haven't even started on Blood war, for example, and there is no scheduled time frame for that and no profit involved so you know Hasbro is not going to cut them any slack with the other restating and that means no extra resources to do it.
It would cost Hasbro about 10 cents a set to mass produce cards for restated sets and they would sell for around $12 a set for professionally printed cards. 120% profits aren't good enough anymore? Ohh... and they are paying for those Fan/Player submissions... more resources that could be spent elsewhere from what I'm seeing. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6598 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 05/27/2008 4:00 PM |
| | I haven't been around maxminis much the past week because my interest in D&D is dying. I think a lot of people are losing interest with the way things are being handled by WotC. I thought that just my interest in 4e was dead, but now I think it's starting to affect my interest in the game in general. I am down from three RPG groups to one now. And I don't skirmish. | |
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Champion of Something, I imagine I will think of something
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stephengroy
Underboss
1338 Posts
Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 05/27/2008 4:37 PM |
| Wow CD, I coulda swore you skirmished!
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10252 Posts
United States
| | 05/27/2008 4:50 PM |
| I wonder if there are reasons, to be found by eavesdropping in their legal department, that no one is saying anything.
I rather doubt it. I suppose instead that the reasoning is rather lame and that if we knew what was up, we'd all go "Really? That's lame." But, who knows?
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
11102 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 05/27/2008 5:36 PM |
| You know things are bad when the eternal optimist loses some of his optimism
http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=227608&page=1 | |
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
521 Posts
| | 05/27/2008 8:08 PM |
| Posted By Corim Danex on 05/27/2008 4:00 PM
I haven't been around maxminis much the past week because my interest in D&D is dying. I think a lot of people are losing interest with the way things are being handled by WotC. I thought that just my interest in 4e was dead, but now I think it's starting to affect my interest in the game in general. I am down from three RPG groups to one now. And I don't skirmish.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Even Merric is starting to get somewhat annoyed.
I'm hoping some Hasbo executive reads this and realizes that WOTC as a corporate entity needs an entire structual overhaul. Whoever running WOTC business affairs and WOTC publicist needs to be 'let go'.
That's right, I'm (that's me, KMK and not Merrick) Â calling for heads to roll.
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| | Wow. Even Merric's down on WotC. When he says that if he were a higher-up at Hasbro, heads would roll, they must be doing something wrong. | |
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| | *sigh* Merric's post is a surprise, let's face it, he would've done anything for wotc not that long ago. Seems there is no D&D for old men. | |
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| Posted By Thenameless on 05/27/2008 8:18 PM
Wow. Even Merric's down on WotC. When he says that if he were a higher-up at Hasbro, heads would roll, they must be doing something wrong.
Dont think Merric asked for heads to roll, I think thats a run on from KMK's post.Â
Despite a few vocal people stating it, its not just people complaining because they hate _any_ change etc. Lots of people are pretty annoyed over a series of things, and directions.
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| It's the small things that's WOTCs dropping the ball with that's hurting them.
A cumulation of small things that all add up.
Things so easily fixed.
That's what boggles my mind.
There's a growing sense of alienation and resentment that's growing among the fans and unless WOTC takes action and nips it in the bud, it's going come back and haunt them in a real economic sense.
And let's face it, the economy isn't doing all that well.
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| Posted By Ghendar on 05/27/2008 6:23 AM
I'll tell you what, the things mentioned above are pretty bad but not as bad as higher booster prices and fewer minis per booster. Ugh! I honestly can't see how they are going to be able to maintain acceptable sales levels.
Psst, it's Hasbro and more than they are giving us. I wonder if they even care....
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| Posted By Bert the Troll on 05/27/2008 10:03 PM
Despite a few vocal people stating it, its not just people complaining because they hate _any_ change etc. Lots of people are pretty annoyed over a series of things, and directions.
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| WotC could be trying harder to kill itself. Thankfully, it's not trying harder.
I still have some hope that they'll pull themselves out of this.
But, honestly, the best way to restart things isn't to have a train wreck first.
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