Lord_rock Underboss
 1792 Posts



 Portland OR
 | | 06/04/2008 9:23 PM |
| | yuan ti and chain golem
2 of my least favorite scupts... The old anamathea was amazing in the original artwork... This new thing is cool but not an animathea...
Chain golem should have been all kinds ofcool and dynamic... Boring...
Statwise the yuanti is totally playable if your opponent isn't immune to poison... Chain golem: ehh... Underwhelming but a cool mechanic. | | Rock Bottom Pricing: Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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 Fun Guy from Yuggoth Cthulhufnord Warlord
 10807 Posts



 Umass Amherst Baby!
 | | 06/04/2008 10:00 PM |
| I think I prefer the Dreamblade "chain golem" over the DDM one. The Anathema however, love it. The fact that it's a rare... not so nice. 
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mi/20080605a
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Knight of Argenis Corim Danex Warlord
 6621 Posts



 West Valley City, Utah
 | | 06/04/2008 10:21 PM |
| | I completely agree with Cthulhufnord on the Dreamblade chain golem being much better. I don't like the Anathema though. | | "Look to God and live." Alma 37:47 Vindicated Champ of Hippogriff (Arcadian Hippogriff) and Uncommon Horse | |
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 zenthrus Commander
 4836 Posts



 SLC, UT
 | | 06/04/2008 10:31 PM |
| Hooboy. What a couple of duds. Incredibly hokey sculpts, mediocre paint, and I love the used-car-salesman grin on the Yuan-ti.  | | Knight Warlord a.k.a. Commander (#32) in only 6 months. Where's my pie? Champion of Dwarven Thunderlashers Knight of the Large Dire Chicken Have/Want List Trade References | |
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 Bert the Troll Commander
 3858 Posts



 Adelaide
 | | 06/04/2008 10:44 PM |
| This week, we inspect a couple of monsters whose looks were recreated during the D&D minis design process for the upcoming Against the Giants set. Yuan-ti Anathema  The heroes emerge from the secret passageway into a chamber deep underneath the vine-choked yuan-ti ziggurat. The floor of the chamber writhes with snakes, though the vipers and asps seem to move away from the flames of the heroes’ torches. But then the snakes start sliding toward each other, slithering into a massive, ophidian mound. A horrid cobra head rises from the ground, appearing as if from nowhere amidst the mass of snakes, which begins rising into the monstrous form of the anathema. The Yuan-ti Anathema was one of the Huge creatures on our initial list for inclusion in a Huge minis set. At the time, we were also in the process of building the 4th edition D&D world, and James Wyatt and the story team had been germinating the idea that anathemas were more like barely-controlled deadly forces, and even normal yuan-ti were terrified of them. The Monster Manual now describes how the anathema once ruled the yuan-ti as kings until they were stricken with madness and imprisoned. Now the yuan-ti regard them as holy creatures but fear that the anathemas would swarm, slay, and eat everything if released. While discussing the new anathema role, we also decided that the look needed to change a bit to reflect their role as a force of nature. I suggested rendering them as a “snake elemental,” a mass of snakes given vaguely humanoid proportions, with its massive cobra head a manifestation of the anathema’s malevolent spirit. We ran with it, and the Yuan-ti Anathema miniature is the result. Chain Golem  One of the minis of the Dreamblade line, the Iron Thug, provided inspiration for this monster. The Chain Golem is a creature made entirely from -- you guessed it -- chains! The concept is pretty straightforward. The Chain Golem is a great example of us getting exactly what we wanted, based on our initial art order, which read as follows: A Huge humanoid form completely formed of masses of twined chains. Its fists are great chain links flexed to smash puny foes stupid enough to get too close. It might be that a few hooks and spiked iron balls are woven into the mass of chains that make up its body. Though the creature is Huge, its proportions are more stout, with stumpy legs, a lump for a head marked only by glowing red eye sockets, and thick arms that end in chain-wrapped fists. I had fun with the Chain Golem’s abilities. Its basic attack can immobilize, but it can also use Chain Bind to entrap a target (I imagine it as the Chain Golem absorbing a screaming target into its body), which removes a target from the battle map, slowly squeezing it to death unless it makes a saving throw. 
About the Author Stephen Schubert is a Developer for RPG R&D and has been involved in many facets of the D&D product line, including D&D Miniatures. 
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 Bert the Troll Commander
 3858 Posts



 Adelaide
 | | 06/04/2008 10:45 PM |
|   | | "Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit Semi-Secret sig business: "In the age of the internet attaching a famous name to your personal opinion to give more weight to it is a very valid strategy." - Benjamin Franklin Champion of Epic Lolth, Orcus, & Demogorgon and bring us Asmodeus! | |
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iluvxtina Underboss
 1497 Posts



 Spain
 | | 06/04/2008 11:00 PM |
| | They could be much better than that. | | LOVE THIS GIRL | |
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Pedro Commander
 3922 Posts



 Czech Republic
 | | 06/05/2008 12:26 AM |
| The anathema rocks. And immune stunned!
Is end of round after save ends saves are rolled?
Golem has few HP, but entrap has a powerful AB and it has a big AC. And it immobilizes with the greatest AB yet.
I think both have potential.
I will want both.
Great preview, Wizards!
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Wraithborne Commander
 3546 Posts



 West Virginia
 | | 06/05/2008 4:41 AM |
| | Blech. I already knew I didn't want either of these and this preview does nothing to change that. Thank God for June and beyond. | | The year: 1994. From out of space comes a runaway planet, hurtling between the Earth and the Moon, unleashing cosmic destruction! Man's civilization is cast in ruin! Two thousand years later, Earth is reborn... A strange new world rises from the old: a world of savagery, super science, and sorcery. But one man bursts his bonds to fight for justice! With his companions Ookla the Mok and Princess Ariel, he pits his strength, his courage, and his fabulous Sunsword against the forces of evil. He is Thundarr, the Barbarian!
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Alamanther's comeback Sneak
 168 Posts



 Denmark
 | | 06/05/2008 5:23 AM |
| The anathema isn't as cool as it ought to have been. Very cartoony. And the chain golem is very boring. Horrible waste of a huge slot.
I wonder if aboleths, remorhaz, frost worms, nalfeshnees, catoblepi, and black puddings are still huge. I would vastly have prefered any one of those to these two (and the earth titan, guulvorg, enormous carrion crawler, and blackroot treant). Once again, some really odd choices for huges. | | Champion of the Catoblepas | |
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 Fun Guy from Yuggoth Cthulhufnord Warlord
 10807 Posts



 Umass Amherst Baby!
 | | 06/05/2008 5:25 AM |
| Oh yeah, I just realized we won't be seeing a huge Aboleth...... 
| | Pathetic Earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void - without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe - anything at all - you would have hidden from it in terror. | |
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Alamanther's comeback Sneak
 168 Posts



 Denmark
 | | 06/05/2008 5:28 AM |
| Frankly, I don't even care is the aboleth is large or huge. It isn't really relevant to the theme of the monster.
But if it IS huge, it is another wasted opportunity. Same goes for the nalfeshnee and the remorhaz. Some of my choices may be obscure, but remorhaz, nalfeshnee, and aboleth are oft-requested huges. | | Champion of the Catoblepas | |
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 Fun Guy from Yuggoth Cthulhufnord Warlord
 10807 Posts



 Umass Amherst Baby!
 | | 06/05/2008 5:36 AM |
| I'd like to see an Aboleth be it a large or a huge. I figure we'd be more likely to see in a huge format, hence my disapointment over the selection of huges for the set. I'd love for Wotc to prove me wrong and include a large Aboleth in this set, although we'd need a Skum minature as well. 
Posted By Alamanther's comeback on 06/05/2008 5:28 AM Frankly, I don't even care is the aboleth is large or huge. It isn't really relevant to the theme of the monster.
But if it IS huge, it is another wasted opportunity. Same goes for the nalfeshnee and the remorhaz. Some of my choices may be obscure, but remorhaz, nalfeshnee, and aboleth are oft-requested huges.
| | Pathetic Earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void - without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe - anything at all - you would have hidden from it in terror. | |
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Wraithborne Commander
 3546 Posts



 West Virginia
 | | 06/05/2008 5:45 AM |
| | 4e Aboleth is large, so we may still get one this set. | | The year: 1994. From out of space comes a runaway planet, hurtling between the Earth and the Moon, unleashing cosmic destruction! Man's civilization is cast in ruin! Two thousand years later, Earth is reborn... A strange new world rises from the old: a world of savagery, super science, and sorcery. But one man bursts his bonds to fight for justice! With his companions Ookla the Mok and Princess Ariel, he pits his strength, his courage, and his fabulous Sunsword against the forces of evil. He is Thundarr, the Barbarian!
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 Fun Guy from Yuggoth Cthulhufnord Warlord
 10807 Posts



 Umass Amherst Baby!
 | | 06/05/2008 5:50 AM |
| Thank's Wraith, I did not know that. 
Posted By Wraithborne on 06/05/2008 5:45 AM 4e Aboleth is large, so we may still get one this set.
| | Pathetic Earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void - without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe - anything at all - you would have hidden from it in terror. | |
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wicked cool Underboss
 2083 Posts




 | | 06/05/2008 5:53 AM |
| | Those are awful. Probably the biggest reason im skipping the prerelease because deep down i know id pull both of those | | The ROCK layeth the smacketh down. Long live Farscape Vindicated-CHAMPION of the INTELLECT DEVOURER i will change my avatar when martin completes dances with dragons | |
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berus316 Sergeant
 632 Posts



 Markham, Ontario Canada
 | | 06/05/2008 5:55 AM |
| Love having the Yuan-ti and Chain Golem as minis. Wish they were better overall sculpts/paints.
Both will be used in rpg within the year. | | Champion of the Aspect of Gruumsh Nemesis of Gnomes and Warforged
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Wraithborne Commander
 3546 Posts



 West Virginia
 | | 06/05/2008 5:58 AM |
| Posted By wicked cool on 06/05/2008 5:53 AM Those are awful. Probably the biggest reason im skipping the prerelease because deep down i know id pull both of those
Plus you'd get another Chain golem as it's the prerelease promo. | | The year: 1994. From out of space comes a runaway planet, hurtling between the Earth and the Moon, unleashing cosmic destruction! Man's civilization is cast in ruin! Two thousand years later, Earth is reborn... A strange new world rises from the old: a world of savagery, super science, and sorcery. But one man bursts his bonds to fight for justice! With his companions Ookla the Mok and Princess Ariel, he pits his strength, his courage, and his fabulous Sunsword against the forces of evil. He is Thundarr, the Barbarian!
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 Fun Guy from Yuggoth Cthulhufnord Warlord
 10807 Posts



 Umass Amherst Baby!
 | | 06/05/2008 6:07 AM |
| The Pre-release mini? What is it a Bronze Chain Golem then? [:S]
| | Pathetic Earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void - without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe - anything at all - you would have hidden from it in terror. | |
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JodyJ Warrior
 258 Posts




 | | 06/05/2008 6:09 AM |
| Posted By Alamanther's comeback on 06/05/2008 5:23 AM I wonder if aboleths, remorhaz, frost worms, nalfeshnees, catoblepi, and black puddings are still huge. I would vastly have prefered any one of those to these two (and the earth titan, guulvorg, enormous carrion crawler, and blackroot treant). Once again, some really odd choices for huges. As was said Aboleth is now large.
Remorhaz, Frost Worms, Nalfeshnees, Catoblepi, and Black Puddings are not in the 4e MM1. Doesn't mean they won't show up, but we don't know if they might change size yet.
The other missing huge sculpt - hydra, now comes in large, huge, and gargantuan.
| | Called Shot: Against the Giants -- Aboleth Called Shot: Demonweb - Large Whip Spider Another Champion of the Aboleth | |
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 Fun Guy from Yuggoth Cthulhufnord Warlord
 10807 Posts



 Umass Amherst Baby!
 | | 06/05/2008 6:14 AM |
| Looking a little more closely at the Anathema..... I'm disapointed by the roundness of the Teeth in the big head of the critter, as well as the lack of paint in the smaller heads mouths. A rare indeed, it looks more like an uncommon to me.
| | Pathetic Earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void - without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe - anything at all - you would have hidden from it in terror. | |
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Alamanther's comeback Sneak
 168 Posts



 Denmark
 | | 06/05/2008 6:52 AM |
| Posted By JodyJ on 06/05/2008 6:09 AM As was said Aboleth is now large.
Remorhaz, Frost Worms, Nalfeshnees, Catoblepi, and Black Puddings are not in the 4e MM1. Doesn't mean they won't show up, but we don't know if they might change size yet.
The other missing huge sculpt - hydra, now comes in large, huge, and gargantuan.
Thank you for all this information. I don't mind a large aboleth at all.
And I would certainly love a huge hydra - if only to improve upon the flat paintjob and conspicuous seams of the one from DoD2.
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Wolfgang Commander
 3005 Posts



 Milton, Ontario Canada
 | | 06/05/2008 7:04 AM |
| | i don't like the yuan ti thing it is so ugly but the chain golen looks ok but man i was expecting better minis by now | | Proud member since March 26 2005 Champion of the SIVAK DRACONIAN Joke champion of the epic sage! Demonweb called shot - Sivak Draconian Feywild called shot - Sivak Draconian Number of sets with Sivak Draconian as my called shot - 9 Completed trades: (78) Bad traders(2) DJchuckles, sardal Trade References Email Me | |
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Mjollnir Underboss
 1437 Posts



 Canary Islands - Spain
 | | 06/05/2008 7:43 AM |
| | Anathema is nearly a waste, Chain Golem meh | | Champion of the Molydeus Vindicated Blood War Called Shot: Cornugon (Horned Devil) Icons Called Shot: Tarrasque Vindicated Dungeon of Dread Called Shot: Mind Flayer Against the Giants Called Shot: Uncommon Fire Giant Demonweb Called Shot: Myrlochar Feywild Called Shot: Molydeus "Sé que me acusan de soberbia, y tal vez de misantropía, y tal vez de locura. Tales acusaciones (que yo castigaré a su debido tiempo) son irrisorias." - Jorge Luis Borges I sell my collection at: http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/54/view/topic/postid/801203/Default.aspx | |
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freedeath Sneak
 89 Posts



 Great White North
 | | 06/05/2008 8:04 AM |
| What makes WotC think we wanted these huges? This set may have been designed by monkeys. I've never been more disappointed with a mini set; I was hoping AtG would redeem the embarrassment that was Dungeons of Dreadful, but I guess the nose dive continues.... | | Life's a bowl of cultists.... _______________________________ Champion of the Scale-Creep Resistance ________________________ Champion of the Black Pudding | |
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Dordledum Commander
 3193 Posts



 Netherlands
 | | 06/05/2008 8:10 AM |
| I agree that the huges ('cept the dragons) dissapoint me a bit, but it's no reason to call names. the non-huges look pretty good to me sofar btw,
D.
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MarioCleanstuff Warrior
 324 Posts



 San Diego, CA
 | | 06/05/2008 8:32 AM |
| I like the Chain Golem and will happily take any that the above posters do not want.
As for the Anathema... It could look much better if the snakes weren't all a flat green. I wouldn't mind if they were all the same kind of snake as long as they had some color variation to them. Unfortunately, this remains my least favorite huge mini. Here's hoping that'll change once I get it in-hand. | | Completed trades: Brenigin, desiderata, HockeyFan, MikeyChraal, Raland, GuJiaXian | |
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Master of the Awesome Sauce Teflon Jeff Warlord
 7146 Posts



 Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
 | | 06/05/2008 9:17 AM |
| I'll get both, I'm not sure how much i like them yet... I think the paint looks good, but I'llw ait to see the real thing. Neither one is a dud, but neither is a moonshooter either. 7.5/10 on the total preview.
| | Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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Duke of Spoils greyhaze Warlord
 5841 Posts




 | | 06/05/2008 9:53 AM |
| Posted By Dordledum on 06/05/2008 8:10 AM the non-huges look pretty good to me sofar btw,
That's all fine and dandy, but the price increases come from the huges... | | Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60, Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger. Called Shots: Frost Giant in Demon Web, Darkenbeast in Feywild. | |
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 Fun Guy from Yuggoth Cthulhufnord Warlord
 10807 Posts



 Umass Amherst Baby!
 | | 06/05/2008 7:03 PM |
| Indeed.Posted By greyhaze on 06/05/2008 9:53 AM Posted By Dordledum on 06/05/2008 8:10 AM the non-huges look pretty good to me sofar btw, That's all fine and dandy, but the price increases come from the huges...
| | Pathetic Earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void - without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe - anything at all - you would have hidden from it in terror. | |
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XAos Underboss
 2384 Posts



 London
 | | 06/06/2008 3:56 AM |
| IMO the previews for this set are zero for 10 so far.
| | Don't worry about the current metagame. It doesn't matter if it's ugly, bad, or the best ever. In 2 years time, set rotation will ban everything. | |
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Username Warlord
 5638 Posts




 | | 06/06/2008 5:56 AM |
| | I actually like the look of these two. Not bad. Preview are getting better at least! | | Originally posted by Schooly_D Username - he deals in minis Champion of Lhesh Haruuc Shaarat'kor | |
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Duke of Spoils greyhaze Warlord
 5841 Posts




 | | 06/06/2008 7:00 AM |
| | Really seems like the community is split on this set. | | Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60, Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger. Called Shots: Frost Giant in Demon Web, Darkenbeast in Feywild. | |
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Master of the Awesome Sauce Teflon Jeff Warlord
 7146 Posts



 Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
 | | 06/06/2008 11:03 AM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 06/05/2008 9:53 AM Posted By Dordledum on 06/05/2008 8:10 AM the non-huges look pretty good to me sofar btw, That's all fine and dandy, but the price increases come from the huges...
very good point. Will the huges make it worth the price jump?
| | Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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Pale Rider Underboss
 1006 Posts



 London, Ontario, Canada
 | | 06/06/2008 11:37 AM |
| | I gotta agree with most of you - the Chain Golem is BOOOORR-ing! I like the new Yuan Ti Anathema (being made out of snakes is just cool, imo) but the giant s**t-eating grin nearly ruins it for me. Add to the fact it is a rare and therefore likely to be very expensive on the single market and it is a thumbs down from me. Too bad - I love the huge sets but this one ain't shaping up too good. | | Completed Trades: Crescent Hawk, Vimes, demagogue, vidman, Eric is God, Strachan Fireblade, FungiMuncher, Dudeeehm, Shasack, gausse, kyrin, nyjastul69 Champion of the Remorhaz | |
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Ridureyu Underboss
 1622 Posts




 | | 06/06/2008 5:03 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 06/06/2008 7:00 AM Really seems like the community is split on this set.
It's a Huge set. We'll always be split on these. Mind you, I'm just peeved that I'm not getting my Huge Aspect of Zangief. | | Owner of The Original Rust Monsters! DDM: Harbinger: 76/80 Dragoneye: 60/60 Archfiends: 56/60 GoL: 72/72 Aberrations: 60/60 Deathknell: 60/60 Angelfire: 60/60 Underdark: 60/60 War Drums: 60/60 War of the Dragon Queen: 60/60 Blood War: 60/60, Unhallowed: 60/60 Night Below: 60/60 Desert of Desolation: 60/60 Dungeons of Dread: 60/60 Against the Giants: 60/60 Dreamblade: All | |
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MarioCleanstuff Warrior
 324 Posts



 San Diego, CA
 | | 06/06/2008 5:30 PM |
| An Aspect of Zangief would be far too hairy, and there's no way they could make it look good.
But it would have some interesting abilities, to be sure. | | Completed trades: Brenigin, desiderata, HockeyFan, MikeyChraal, Raland, GuJiaXian | |
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PaSquall Underboss
 1395 Posts




 | | 06/07/2008 10:14 AM |
| | The yuan-ti arch-king is pretty good, I'll have a use for it. I have no interest in the chain golem though, the mini's not that bad but the concept, well... duh. What's next, pop-corn golem ? | | Vindicated Champion of the PSEUDODRAGON (Unhappy) vindicated champion of the DRYAD Against the giants called shot : huge cloud giant female Demonweb called shot : ghost | |
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 Vrecknidj Warlord
 10301 Posts


 United States
 | | 06/07/2008 10:22 AM |
| As usual, the RPG value is about 50-50 for me; I have hundreds and hundreds of minis that I'll never use in RPG. This is just par for the course for me.
Dave | | Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing; My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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yack Commander
 3164 Posts



 Gatineau Canada
 | | 06/07/2008 11:58 AM |
| | Meh one of each thats it , seems like a waste of huge slots. | | Champion of the Peryton Vindicated Champion : Pit Fiend, Devourer DW: Duergar Priest RPG Only!!!! The Drumming Drunkn' DM | |
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