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Warlord
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 | | 07/30/2008 8:52 AM |
| Recently while going through a large package of recently acquired AtG, my wife asked me, "Why are yoiu getting so many of the same figure," to which I replied, "Because I like them." That little exchange got me to thinking - with several minis of the same type out, why do I have so much of one given mini. Why do I have X amount of X generic guard/soldier type? After going over my collection, I figured I could cut down the number of individual minis and yet still have a sizeable force.
For example, I thought about the ogres I owned:
1 Ogre
1 Ogre Ravager
1 Ogre Mage
4 Half-Ogre Barbarian
1 Half-Fiend Ogre
1 Ogre Warhulk
4 Ogre Skirmisher
1 Ogre Executioner
1 Ogre Brute
1 Oni
(in the future)
4 Ogre Pulverizer
1 Brutal Ogre Warhulk
Plus any other future Ogre (slight multiples for Uc)
Total, that's 21 ogres. Why on earth would I want more than that? When (and why) would any RPG encounter consist of over 20 ogres at one time?
Again, I used to own a dozen, then ten, then 8 of each generic human guard/soldier type. I looked at them and said thought, "Why?" So now I've count down to 4 each, which still adds up to about 40 soldiers.
As for rares, I only have 1 of each (not counting mounted minis) because of Uc counterparts, proxies and most likely resculpts.
So, I guess my question/point is, how do you rationalize the size of your collection? | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 07/30/2008 9:12 AM |
| I've restricted most of my collection to 12, 8, 4, 2, 1, 0, only a few get the 24 figure treatment (Goblin Archer for instance). It all hinges greatly on whether or not I think I'll be able to get more of the said figure in an upcoming set, and how many I would use.
Even though some figures like the Merchant Guard, can be swapped out for other figures, I do like certain forces to match. So I would prefer to use the numbered stickers to divide them, instead of completely different figures.
However, as each set comes out, there are many figures that I will be looking at swapping out... like the large black/blue dragons. I have 4 of each, but don't need 6 or 8 large black dragons... to my knowledge... so, I may be getting rid of 2 of my older ones to make room for 2 of the newer ones. Maybe. I mean, I am addicted afterall. | |
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Warlord
5692 Posts
| | 07/30/2008 9:27 AM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 07/30/2008 9:12 AM
Maybe. I mean, I am addicted afterall.
Haha...that is what I am talking about.
I can understand why you would want X amount of a specialty mini, but I can't justify the need for it. I used to have 30 Graypeak Goblin Archers. Why?! Now, I've whittled it down to 4. Add my 4 Goblin Sneaks to that, and that's 8 ranged gobos, not counting the 4 skirmishers, picadors and runners.
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Originally posted by Schooly_D
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paladin72
Sneak
155 Posts
| | 07/30/2008 9:30 AM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 07/30/2008 9:12 AM
However, as each set comes out, there are many figures that I will be looking at swapping out... like the large black/blue dragons. I have 4 of each, but don't need 6 or 8 large black dragons... to my knowledge... so, I may be getting rid of 2 of my older ones to make room for 2 of the newer ones. Maybe. I mean, I am addicted afterall.
I think you just hit on the WotC marketing strategy.
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 07/30/2008 9:32 AM |
| | Yeh, but they're not ARCHERS. I guess that's the key for me. Specifics. Now, the picador/runners are extremely close in use. While the adept to me looks like a tribal shaman, and I never picked up many of him as a result, cause to me - it's - "how many goblin shamans do i need?" The goblin sneak however, has a crossbow, and is specific to that. I don't like to pretend he's wielding a bow. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 07/30/2008 9:36 AM |
| Posted By paladin72 on 07/30/2008 9:30 AM
I think you just hit on the WotC marketing strategy.
Not sure I follow. I'll still only have 4 large blue/black dragons, 2 will be new and 2 will be old... it'd be half of what they would sell to me than if they put something new out. Or do you mean that they'll at least get 2 sold to me, so they make enough, and just repeat? | |
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thekidxii
Sergeant
535 Posts
No Yack. I said.. we need a DM not BM!
| | 07/30/2008 9:42 AM |
| | i think he meant the addiction part. no? | |
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berus316
Sergeant
663 Posts
Markham, Ontario Canada
| | 07/30/2008 9:43 AM |
| Posted By Username on 07/30/2008 8:52 AM
So, I guess my question/point is, how do you rationalize the size of your collection?
I get hit in the head with sticks for a hobby.
I went through your ogre list and was pretty close to it, plus about a dozen more. So like 30+ ogres, how can you really justify needing that? I have 8 Formorian Giants, where would I ever use that?
I think my main motivation is driven a bit by general happiness, resources and a bit of fear.
I always wanted to run miniature battles as a kid (ie Warhammer, 40,000), but the lack of patience and talent kept me from painting cause I'm a perfectionist and I just suck at painting. So my collection never amounted to much.
Then these came along (plus SWM and AAM) and since I got a fair amount of disposable cash and an understanding wife so the collection has gone nuts... 6000+ DDM, 1500+SMW (AAM will come along at some point I'm sure)
The fear is that the lines will come to an end, so I need to collect as much stuff to fill in every possible situation in the future.
On the plus side, is that I have been replacing some older minis with new ones if I like them better. So good bye ugly ghouls, ghasts, wights, zombies...
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Warlord
5692 Posts
| | 07/30/2008 9:43 AM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 07/30/2008 9:32 AM
Yeh, but they're not ARCHERS....The goblin sneak however, has a crossbow, and is specific to that. I don't like to pretend he's wielding a bow.
I don't either, he just has a crossbow. But I was in the same boat you are in and just had to break that line of thinking. It's not bad, but when it comes to storage space and money, rethinking my collection was a good thing.
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Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Wraithborne
Warlord
5332 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 07/30/2008 9:52 AM |
| | I took a hard look at my collection when my buddy that shared with me decided he wanted out. Once I broke through my mental barrier of wanting tons of anything I did want, I found I could get rid of tons of stuff. I ended up trimming about 3-4k from my collection which is now sitting comfortably at around 1k-1,200. | |
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So you can't read what's engraved, Is this Heaven or merely Decay?
Was there a light, enchantingly bright, A Question, just how did it end?
Just let me sift through your calm remains, And tear you away from your skin.
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 07/30/2008 10:13 AM |
| Posted By thekidxii on 07/30/2008 9:42 AM
i think he meant the addiction part. no?
Ahhhdiction... haven't got the foggiest of what you're talking about...
And I think I'm in the same boat as berus316, although I don't label it as "fear", but rather as "possibilities". It's possible, I could have an encounter with 4 fomorians, not likely, but hey, it could happen - I could also just make it happen... however, I also split my collection between two locations long ago, and as a result I essentially was short on stuff in one or the other location.
In regards to the "mentality" issue, yeh, I don't think I'll every get over that, bow users are bow users, not ranged units, so if some guy's got a crossbow, that's what he's got - I use the closest models first, then proxies. I'm probably close to 7,000 figures, but my storage isn't half full... I could show a pic, but it's disturbing. I also keep my SWMs and HeroClix in there too. That shelf nearly claimed 3 lives during my last move... | |
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Shottglazz
Underboss
1184 Posts
Quinte West, Ontario, Canada
| | 07/30/2008 10:51 AM |
| | While not nearly as rabid as Berus or Grey, I recognize the feelings they describe - of wanting to have as many RPG encounters as possible covered (for D&D and Rolemaster in my case)...but I also started looking at what I could do without...so starting to "trim the fat"...getting down under 900 figs... | |
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MarioCleanstuff
Warrior
325 Posts
San Diego, CA
| | 07/30/2008 11:25 AM |
| I've never really thought about getting rid of things completely. I'm a collector at heart. I collect things. If I don't have one of everything, I feel incomplete.
I never really get more of something than I think I'll actually use, beyond getting one of everything. Sure, I've got a lot of things, and tons of commons and uncommons I could do without, but it's just too much effort to find out what I don't need and then try to sell or trade them off. | |
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paladin72
Sneak
155 Posts
| | 07/30/2008 11:45 AM |
| Posted By thekidxii on 07/30/2008 9:42 AM
i think he meant the addiction part. no?
Exactly. They know most people who already have a LBD will get at least one just to have something different.
If a newer player wants a dragon they will try to get the one just released instead of going to the secondary market and purchasing the older LBD.
The bad choices (IMO) of the last few months have eased my addiction to boosters though. I'm not happy at all with the new artwork. I am happy to see the new Ogre though. Maybe there is some hope.
I'm happy with most of the dragons I have though. I have no need for newer ones. Unless of course they come out with a new Large Gold, which I will have to take a look at.
The good thing is I'm just about out of space anyway. My collection is not growing nearly as fast as it was about a year and a half ago. It is also giving me a chance to fill in the holes in my older sets.
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/30/2008 2:27 PM |
| My collection isn't nearly as OCD as others (looking at you, Greyhaze... ) but I still have far more minis than I need/use.
Due mostly to budget (have to buy a car and plan to live in China for 9 months...these things add up) I'm only snagging singles of minis I don't have and need for RPG (picked up both AtG Dragonborn because my D&D game has two dragonborn characters), and specific minis to fill encounters for adventures I want to run (Please, let there be an uncommon Arbalester and c/u Spiretop Drake in Demonweb  ).
My AtG list is rather short. My Demonweb list so far is even shorter.
I've almost completely given up getting new PC-type humanoids. Already have way too many Human sword & board, Dwarf with hammer/axe and board, Elf with bow, etc.
Things that I'll make exceptions for are c/u which can be repainted and proxied (I picked up 16 ochre jellies and I'm leaning towards another 16), really awesome sculpts (Emerald Orb Wizard), and critters I'd like to have alternate sculpts for (Fire Giant Raider).
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shazam01
Warrior
230 Posts
| | 07/30/2008 8:49 PM |
| I like collecting so I'm always trying to get at least one of everything, even if its not one I particularly like.
Generally I only look to collect 1/rare, 2/uncommon, & 4/common per set & limit myself to no more than 5 of any particular mini.
For me this is finding the middle ground between getting enough and having some similarity for needed groups, but not being overwhelmed by the sheer number of minis & allowing me to continue collecting into the future. | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3463 Posts
Netherlands
| | 07/31/2008 2:48 AM |
| I seriously need to cut-back on ogres indeed. I think I have like 30-40 now, and counting. I guess it's a "just in case" scenario. That huge battle someday in the future? I think I got over 100 soldier minis (12 axe soldiers, 12 royal guards, etc.), but never use them. What do I need 4 Ice devils for? Just in case, I might one day need them.
But I am swapping as well. I only want 2 large blue dragons for rpg for instance, and the new one looks so much better. So, I want one of each.
Sometimes skirmish makes me to need multiples of some rares though. | |
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kingslurr
Skirmisher
18 Posts
| | 08/11/2008 6:31 PM |
| It wasnt a marketing plan to reprint older minis... It was done cause WOTC f'ed up... Well they didnt realize that many people would freak if they didnt restat the older minis. So they already did these next 2 sets with reprints to get the monsters back in for RPG's and the so called newbees ta have a chance at getting these reprints...
I think its dumb even though i dont have a huge collection. I dont even have one LBD or LBD yet. But still i dont like the reprints.
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Username
Warlord
5692 Posts
| | 08/12/2008 5:35 AM |
| | I'd like no more than 3 - 5 reprints a set, but more than that is a little too much. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 08/12/2008 6:30 AM |
| | There are too many cases where people claim a figure is a reprint, that are not, example; Mighty Blademaster and Kalashtar Bodyguard - is not a reprint. They're just similar. So 3-5 reprints max would be fine, but there will still be plenty of "similar" figures that come out in each set. | |
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Warlord
5692 Posts
| | 08/12/2008 7:11 AM |
| Posted By kingslurr on 08/11/2008 6:31 PM
It wasnt a marketing plan to reprint older minis... It was done cause WOTC f'ed up... Well they didnt realize that many people would freak if they didnt restat the older minis. So they already did these next 2 sets with reprints to get the monsters back in for RPG's and the so called newbees ta have a chance at getting these reprints...
I think its dumb even though i dont have a huge collection. I dont even have one LBD or LBD yet. But still i dont like the reprints.
To each his own. I don't think WotC messed up at all. With a new edition coming out, it just made sense to have some basic RPG staples available in the newest sets. Do you have proof that WotC messed up, or is it just ramblings from another message board?
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Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Warlord
5692 Posts
| | 08/12/2008 7:20 AM |
| Also, as far as the resculpt dragons go, that's ok with me. The Large Blue Dragon is from set #6 and will be resculpted in set #17 (3 sets a year and that is over 3 years). It's about time to have another large size blue dragon. The Large Black Dragon is from set 12# and will be resculpted in set 17# which is a bit close, but over a year apart.
There are some sculpts that are in dire need of a resculpt (I'm looking at your worg and orc archer!). | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Champion of Lhesh Haruuc Shaarat'kor | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 08/12/2008 10:45 AM |
| I generally get 8 of each common. this is nice, because I have two cases worth, and I can use them as chess pawns when I play.
I try to get one of each rare, and UC get the all or 1 treatment. either I get as many a spossible, or only 1, if it's teh suxx0rz.
I have no justification for my collection size, other than like having a lot of minis.
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relientKitten
Warrior
201 Posts
Portland, Oregon
| | 08/12/2008 8:24 PM |
| My collection is still really small and I'm fairly green, but I've certainly got the collector vibe. I promised the fella that I wouldn't buy any more minis this month, but I still keep watching eBay daily and twitching and feigning for more pieces of plastic. (I did order two boosters of ATG since they were cheap at B&N and a friend had a coupon I thiefed.)
My original plan was 4 of each common, 2 of each uncommon, 1 of each rare.
I've got so many plate-wearing-sword-wielding humanoids, I could swim in them.
My current collection strategy is 4/2 of each non-PC type and 2/1 of each PC type. Rares are all one each unless I think I need more (like three Vrocks).
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ares71
Sergeant
448 Posts
Central Illinois
| | 08/13/2008 11:10 AM |
| Something to think about: There are 1003 different minis available. 16 sets of which all are 60 per set except Harb with 80 and GoL with 72 for a total of 992. Then add 5 for the 2008 starter set and 1 each for the Icons, (Icingdeat has 3). Total of 1003 different minis (not including repaints/promos etc). | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 08/13/2008 12:18 PM |
| | Yeh, so I don't even have 10 of each figure, that's not overkill. | |
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Username
Warlord
5692 Posts
| | 08/13/2008 12:37 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 07/30/2008 9:12 AM
I've restricted most of my collection to 12, 8, 4, 2, 1, 0, only a few get the 24 figure treatment (Goblin Archer for instance).
I recently cut my collection down to 6, 4, 2 and 1. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
Username - he deals in minis
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 08/13/2008 1:35 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 08/13/2008 12:18 PM
Yeh, so I don't even have 10 of each figure, that's not overkill.
That's keeping it realistic...
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 08/13/2008 1:51 PM |
| | Well, I like to keep my feet firmly planted on the ground you know. :) | |
Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers
Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60,
Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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Zaukrie
Underboss
2007 Posts
| | 08/13/2008 2:16 PM |
| I've taken a serious look lately at my collection. NO WAY I use most of the minis. So, I just sold 188 to someone just starting out. I gave him a great deal (probably too good, but it was mostly U/C). But, I still have more than I need, so I'm still reassessing.
For example, as much as I love the Rakshasa scultp from GoL, do I really need 2? Will I ever use 2 for anything? I just can't decide....
but, I'm buying way less (of course, now I have a ton of money in paypal burning a hole in my virtual pocket - anyone got an elder white?) | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 08/13/2008 3:57 PM |
| Yeah, I've given away a lot of my super dupes (more than 12) to some players locally. Probably a few hundred, easily.
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