The Mighty
jai
Commander
3235 Posts
    
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| This thread will be linked to in the "I would like a WotC response" thread. When this thread becomes long and needs to be refreshed, we simple have to create a new one and lock this one ... even if this doesn't get touched for a week or so, it will be easy to everybody to find it from the stickied thread above. So much easiery then constantly stickying and unstickying threads! [:)]
So, without further ado, this thread is now open for serious questions directed toward our WotC Reps! | | | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 12:18 PM |
| I have a serious question.
How many maps are in the works for 2006?
I know we have already seen the 4 in Wardrums as well as the previous Fantastic Locations and Dragon Magazine that are out. We also know that there are 2 Fantastic Locations due out this summer and a map with each Iconic dragon, but I was curious if we would be seeing any more this year.
Thanks, | |
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Zaukrie
Underboss
2007 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 12:21 PM |
| Can we start getting design and other articles from the designers on the WotC site? I'd also like you to post articles about the artists and others that work on this line.
thanks, | |
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ehren37
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642 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 12:57 PM |
| | If aquatic miniatures are presenting a problem as a set, why not release a few as packs similar to the Star Wars AT-ST pack? I'd *really* like an aboleth. | |
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Hejas
Sergeant
435 Posts
Poland
| | 03/28/2006 1:17 PM |
| | And I would *not* like to see aquatic minis. It would be absolutely stupid to have sharks, aboleths and fishes in normal skirmish. | |
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Anthraxus
Warrior
212 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 1:21 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Hejas
And I would *not* like to see aquatic minis. It would be absolutely stupid to have sharks, aboleths and fishes in normal skirmish.
Sure, but they would be great to have in RPG. | |
Yeah, I really need to work on my H/W list one of these days...
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The Mighty
jai
Commander
3235 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 1:58 PM |
| | I suppose discussion shouldn't be disallowed, but one liner "i think this is stupid" comments should be avoided. They have pointed out that they generally only comment on questions and comments that are thought out and have substance. | | | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6621 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 03/28/2006 1:59 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Zaukrie
Can we start getting design and other articles from the designers on the WotC site? I'd also like you to post articles about the artists and others that work on this line.
Different versions of these same questions have been asked quite a bit since the "I have a question for WotC" thread started. I am very curious to hear an answer on this soon--even if the answer is something like, "We talked about the idea in a meeting today and the feeling was..."
I have a second question. We are consolidating questions for WotC here. Is there a place on maxminis that we will be able to find the answers? (Even if it is a post from Shoe, Ian, Lidda, etc. linking to a thread actually posted on WotC boards with the answer?) | |
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ehren37
Sergeant
642 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 2:26 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Hejas
And I would *not* like to see aquatic minis. It would be absolutely stupid to have sharks, aboleths and fishes in normal skirmish.
Actually, aboleths have a landspeed and are amphibious. However, my suggestion was to include them in a scenario pack with a special map and rules (similar to the recent AT-ST pack) where battling them would make more sense than sticking one in the field of ruin. Hopefullyy this better clarifies exactly what type of product I was suggesting. | |
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The Mighty
jai
Commander
3235 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 2:58 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
I have a second question. We are consolidating questions for WotC here. Is there a place on maxminis that we will be able to find the answers? (Even if it is a post from Shoe, Ian, Lidda, etc. linking to a thread actually posted on WotC boards with the answer?)
I am expecting this (and future incarnations of this) thread to be an informal Q&A type of deal more like a standard discussion thread. I will lock the thread when it gets long or *way* off topic, and start a new one. By keep links to each one in the sticky thread about this, we will have a way to keep track of archived materials as they fall off the front page. | | | |
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qstor
Sneak
136 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 3:41 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jai
So, without further ado, this thread is now open for serious questions directed toward our WotC Reps!
I heard that the designers of the minis game had trouble of coming up with minis game stats for the rust monster? Has this been worked out can we expect a rust monster mini in a future set? :)
btw Chris Tulach of the LG circle of 6 posts here so he's sorta an unofficial WOTC guy :)
thanks!
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Kunimatyu
Sergeant
724 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 4:43 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Hejas
And I would *not* like to see aquatic minis. It would be absolutely stupid to have sharks, aboleths and fishes in normal skirmish.
You should keep an eye out for my Aquatic column series on this site, where I discuss some ways to bring aquatic minis and skirmish together in a way that doesn't hurt the brain. | |
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Talafenix
Sneak
128 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 5:02 PM |
| One for Stephen but...
>>>I have a serious question.
How many maps are in the works for 2006?
I know we have already seen the 4 in Wardrums as well as the previous Fantastic Locations and Dragon Magazine that are out. We also know that there are 2 Fantastic Locations due out this summer and a map with each Iconic dragon, but I was curious if we would be seeing any more this year.<<<
Answer: LOTS! And I mean LOTS... we have a great new one for the Championships PLUS maybe even a second for the finals but that is going to be a surprise if we do [}:)]
>>> I heard that the designers of the minis game had trouble of coming up with minis game stats for the rust monster? Has this been worked out can we expect a rust monster mini in a future set? :)<<<
Answer: News to us. I think Stephen and crew can pretty much stat anything now [)]
>>> The BIG question for now... >>> Can we start getting design and other articles from the designers on the WotC site? I'd also like you to post articles about the artists and others that work on this line.<<<
YES! We're already working on the first series of articles... you asked and we'll do it!
That's it for now. Keep them coming and we'll do our best to answer them.
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 03/28/2006 5:07 PM |
| | Thanks Mr. Richards, very insightful. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3858 Posts
Adelaide
| | 03/28/2006 5:10 PM |
| Are there going to be low point uniques again? In the 6-16 pt area. I really like them [:)] and can see a role for them as a fodder for skirmish, and scuplts for RPGs.
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Also, and not very important, why don't the counters supplied in Wardrums have more than a 25 HP? Even all added up would hardly be enough for most titans let alone epics. | |
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Arnminster
Warrior
296 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 11:14 PM |
| I noticed that there will be some Dream Blade stuff at Wizard World - Philadelphia and was wondering if any of the other WotC minis games were going to be there in an Official capacity.
Thanks
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Janos M.
Underboss
1015 Posts
Hamburg / GErmany
| | 03/29/2006 1:52 AM |
| | I like to know if the huges in WotDQ get only epic cards, or "normal" ones,too? | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6621 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 03/29/2006 4:38 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Janos M.
I like to know if the huges in WotDQ get only epic cards, or "normal" ones,too?
Why would they get "normal" ones if they are only legal in epic skirmishes? | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6621 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 03/29/2006 4:39 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Talafenix
>>> The BIG question for now... >>> Can we start getting design and other articles from the designers on the WotC site? I'd also like you to post articles about the artists and others that work on this line.<<<
YES! We're already working on the first series of articles... you asked and we'll do it!
Thank you very much! For both answering this question and for WotC writing the articles. This is wonderful to hear. | |
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Janos M.
Underboss
1015 Posts
Hamburg / GErmany
| | 03/29/2006 5:15 AM |
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quote:
Why would they get "normal" ones if they are only legal in epic skirmishes?
We'll never know, if they come with normal ones.. | |
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Zeb
Underboss
2027 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 6:17 AM |
| I think this question is more geared to LurkingLidda (as least according to Shoe) but here goes:
My Question:
I'm currently seeking information on an unreleased promotional figure, the Mialee (DVD1), that was to promote the release of the Scrouge of Worlds DVD. Why was the figure never released?
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Shoe's Response (via email):
Our Brand Team, coordinating with R&D (and Organized Play when appropriate) is responsible for any promotional activity related to DDM - including promo minis. L. Foster (posting as lurkinglidda) is our current Brand Manager.
I'm not sure about the details surrounding the scourge of worlds promo mini, since it was at the outset of DDM and prior to my time here.
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Soooo, since LurkingLidda doesn't have an email address posted (by design no doubt) [:D], I'm posting it here... | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 9:48 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Talafenix
One for Stephen but...
>>>I have a serious question.
How many maps are in the works for 2006?
I know we have already seen the 4 in Wardrums as well as the previous Fantastic Locations and Dragon Magazine that are out. We also know that there are 2 Fantastic Locations due out this summer and a map with each Iconic dragon, but I was curious if we would be seeing any more this year.<<<
Answer: LOTS! And I mean LOTS... we have a great new one for the Championships PLUS maybe even a second for the finals but that is going to be a surprise if we do [}:)]
Ian
Thanks Ian!
So we should expect a lot just this year? So let me see, we have 8 more maps between the 2 fantastic locations and maybe a seperate map just for the Championship... very coolSo will the one for the Championship be a reprint of one that will be coming out, or will it be a completely spereate map, one that only a chanpionship play will have??? | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1341 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 11:23 AM |
| | I was wondering why Epic Mordenkainen has the Independent ability? | | | |
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Arnminster
Warrior
296 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 11:28 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by johnny.quest
I was wondering why Epic Mordenkainen has the Independent ability?
Once he reached 165 years old his parents kicked him out of the house and told him to get a job (Lazy Bum) :) | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 11:55 AM |
| I've got one for Ian mainly...
While I enjoy the new DCI web page, one problem I am having is one can no longer see who participated in tournaments and the final standings. Any chance this can get changed back to the way it was? | |
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alepulp
Underboss
1529 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 03/29/2006 1:05 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by kgradert13
I've got one for Ian mainly...
While I enjoy the new DCI web page, one problem I am having is one can no longer see who participated in tournaments and the final standings. Any chance this can get changed back to the way it was?
I'd like to ask for this also - I like the other changes though, please keep them. | |
One of these days WoTC will update their tournament page when I'm in the top 5... they never seem to do when I'm in that bracket :(
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Talafenix
Sneak
128 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 1:47 PM |
| I'll answer what I can. I note two questions I cant answer as they are questions for R&D only and to be honest I simply don't know the answer [)]
Q: I noticed that there will be some Dream Blade stuff at Wizard World - Philadelphia and was wondering if any of the other WotC minis games were going to be there in an Official capacity.
DDM and SWM will be there! There will be at minimum league and if enough turn up we'll run pick-up tournaments.
Q: While I enjoy the new DCI web page, one problem I am having is one can no longer see who participated in tournaments and the final standings. Any chance this can get changed back to the way it was?
Great question. I'll see what we can do this end. We've launched a brand new platform and it has a number of teething difficulties. We'll do what we can.
Signing out for now...
Ian
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 2:17 PM |
| Good to hear. Other then that quirk, everything else is great on the new site.
Thank you for the response | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1341 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 3:33 PM |
| Ian, there are at least two venues holding qualifiers that are announcing the following prizes:
"The top 4 players receive an invitation to compete in the 2006 Dungeons & Dragons® Miniatures Gen Con Indy Championship held during Gen Con Indy, August 12-13 in Indianapolis, Indiana.
The winner of each Qualifier receives a D&D® Miniatures Constructed Championship Rewards package* and a 4-day pass to Gen Con Indy
Top finishers win boosters of the most recent D&D® Miniatures expansion.
The 2006 Dungeons and Dragons® Miniatures Constructed Championship Rewards Package includes a round-trip, coach airfare for the winner from the major airport nearest the winner’s home to Indianapolis, Indiana to attend the Dungeons and Dragons® Miniatures Constructed Championship on August 12-13, 2006."
I have two questions:
1. Are the dates for the championship listed in this announcement correct?
2. Are the prizes listed in this announcement correct?
I had understood from previous communication that the championship would be held on August 11 and 13. Also, I had understood that the top four at a qualifier would receive a four-day pass to Gen Con. I'd like to confirm either way. | | | |
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Arnminster
Warrior
296 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 9:14 PM |
| Ian,
Thanks for the update on Wizard World. This is near the inlaws so it looks like this will be a family trip :) | |
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 03/31/2006 8:11 AM |
| I think that this has somewhat been asked to a degree, but I don't remember. And I would assume this question is directed more towards Shoe.
How are the non-set themed minis determined for an expansion. Is it by paint pallete? Just pulling minis at random from a hat? Is there an interview process [:P]? Or do all the minis in a set have some underlying theme to them that even we aren't aware of.
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gausse
Sergeant
951 Posts
Wisconsin
| | 03/31/2006 4:50 PM |
| | Question for WOTC - Can I have a job there? | |
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lurkinglidda
Warrior
230 Posts
| | 03/31/2006 6:54 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Zeb
I'm currently seeking information on an unreleased promotional figure, the Mialee (DVD1), that was to promote the release of the Scrouge of Worlds DVD. Why was the figure never released?
Like Shoe, I was not working on DDM at the time the Mialee promo fig was produced. Actually, that's a lie. I was working in the production department on DDM at them time (and enjoyed being part of the creative process for her!) The then-brand manager is currently out of the office so I cannot get an answer for you for a few more days. I didn't want to leave you hanging though. I'll post again late next week when I know the low down.
Also, I'm keeping track of all of your set design and production questions in order to make sure the articles are comprehensive to your needs. I hope to post the first one to the WotC website in late April.
Cheers!
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
523 Posts
| | 03/31/2006 11:35 PM |
| I got a serious question for WOTC - If I somehow, hypothectically of course, got a look at the stats and sculpts for "War of the Dragon Queen", could I share with the community what I gleamed from the set this early?
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lurkinglidda
Warrior
230 Posts
| | 04/01/2006 2:49 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kissmykiester
I got a serious question for WOTC - If I somehow, hypothectically of course, got a look at the stats and sculpts for "War of the Dragon Queen", could I share with the community what I gleamed from the set this early?
No. Plain and simple. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6621 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 04/01/2006 5:20 PM |
| I asked this in another thread, but this thread is probably the best place to ask.
I am really liking Red Hand of Doom. I want to know if there are other similar sized adventures in the works that aren't Eberron specific. If so, are they for higher level than RHoD, lower, or about the same?
I am not necessarily asking for names of adventures. I am asking more to see if there are other big adventures to look forward to in the coming months.
EDIT--I wasn't intending to ask anything causing a breech in non-disclosure agreements. I was just excited about the topic and don't have an exact understanding of how the NDA works. If I get carried away by asking for more information than you are allowed to give, please respond with something like--Sorry, I can't address that question. Thanks for all the information that you can and do give. | |
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Underboss
1476 Posts
| | 04/01/2006 9:23 PM |
| I would like a WotC response...
how long shouldit take for DCI sanctioned events to appear in my Rankings and Ratings history? It seems that the process is fairly automated, yet takes many weeks for the information to appear. | |
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MerricB
Underboss
2350 Posts
Australia
| | 04/03/2006 11:36 PM |
| How many minis have been based on PCs in the various games at Wizards? [)]
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Shoe
Sergeant
804 Posts
| | 04/04/2006 1:19 AM |
| Let's see what we've got here...
quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
How many maps are in the works for 2006?
Many. Two new Fantastic Locations products are on the announced schedule, which would be 6 total more maps. While I can't comment on unannounced products, there's a good chance you'll see more maps. After all - I want a map where the trog captain really shines!
quote:
Originally posted by Zaukrie
Can we start getting design and other articles from the designers on the WotC site?
Yes. Many of the ideas already mentioned are good ones. The key is finding time to produce the content. Matt and I have full workloads, and webwork typically falls in the "extra work" category. I'll keep doing the previews (to start in a couple weeks), but maybe we can throw in a few more things.
quote:
Originally posted by qstor
I heard that the designers of the minis game had trouble of coming up with minis game stats for the rust monster?
Stats for the rust monster are pretty easy, actually... This is one of those questions, along with the "how are minis chosen" question, below, that has a more complex answer. I'll see if we can't get some sort of article put together to address this. The question you must first ask yourself is: who gets to have fun when the rust monster is put on the table?
quote:
Originally posted by Bert under the Bridge
Are there going to be low point uniques again?
Uniques are an interesting animal. For the most part, we'd like our uniques to be something cool from our novels or classic adventures. In the skirmish game, early uniques typically got a "discount" because we'd know you'd only have one, and allowed us to create abilities that could be restricted due to the unique status. But at the same time, uniques in the common or uncommon slot sort of suck, because you end up with many but can only ever use one. Uniques work best as rares, and as rares, will likely be well into the double-digit point costs.
quote:
Originally posted by Janos M
...if the huges in WotDQ get only epic cards, or "normal" ones,too?
The Huges in Dairy Queen will get only one card. They are all epic, and have no "jr." version.
quote:
Originally posted by Vash
How are the non-set themed minis determined for an expansion. Is it by paint pallete? Just pulling minis at random from a hat? Is there an interview process ? Or do all the minis in a set have some underlying theme to them that even we aren't aware of.
Many factors, really. Something that would make a good article (or two). Everything from what products can we support to what we think might be cool.
quote:
Oiginally posted by gausse
Question for WOTC - Can I have a job there?
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=company/jobs/faq
quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
I am really liking Red Hand of Doom. I want to know if there are other similar sized adventures in the works that aren't Eberron specific. If so, are they for higher level than RHoD, lower, or about the same?
Expedition to Castle Ravenloft is out in the catalog. Other products aren't.
quote:
Originally posted by AussieB
How many minis have been based on PCs in the various games at Wizards?
More than a few. A bit more info in a couple days.
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MerricB
Underboss
2350 Posts
Australia
| | 04/04/2006 1:32 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
I am really liking Red Hand of Doom. I want to know if there are other similar sized adventures in the works that aren't Eberron specific. If so, are they for higher level than RHoD, lower, or about the same?
quote:
Originally posted by ShoeExpedition to Castle Ravenloft is out in the catalog. Other products aren't.
Holiday Moderator Note: This is rather important, guys. Shoe and our other friends from Wizards can't actually talk about any products not yet announced in the catalogue (online or the print Wizards one). Indeed, even if Amazon has it, if it isn't in the Wizards catalogue, they're still bound massively by NDAs.
Even a question like "do you have more adventures planned?" can't really be answered except by pointing to the catalogue. Believe me, I tried it with Charles Ryan enough. [)]
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