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09/18/2006 7:38 AM  
Posted By Lab Monkey on 09/17/2006 8:08 PM
Posted By robby on 09/17/2006 7:32 PM

Well, I tried emailing you DJ, but the email button doesn't work (big shock), so I'll post what I was going to email instead.

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I'm sorry, but please. How many chances is this guy going to get from this community? He lies and lies and lies, and then in his "come clean" thread he lies to you point blank - again ... and that is considered civil?

 I'm frustrated too by the number of times that we've been down this road and no one has had their stuff returned (except bonelock and Ghendar I believe). 



Just for the record , no I did not get my anything from Chaotic Good except empty promises.


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09/18/2006 8:16 AM  
Posted By bonelock on 09/18/2006 7:38 AM
Posted By Lab Monkey on 09/17/2006 8:08 PM
Posted By robby on 09/17/2006 7:32 PM

Well, I tried emailing you DJ, but the email button doesn't work (big shock), so I'll post what I was going to email instead.

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I'm sorry, but please. How many chances is this guy going to get from this community? He lies and lies and lies, and then in his "come clean" thread he lies to you point blank - again ... and that is considered civil?

 I'm frustrated too by the number of times that we've been down this road and no one has had their stuff returned (except bonelock and Ghendar I believe). 



Just for the record , no I did not get my anything from Chaotic Good except empty promises.
My apologies.  I don't know why I was thinking you did.  I'll edit my post to reflect this.


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09/18/2006 8:46 AM  
Posted By Lab Monkey on 09/17/2006 8:08 PM

Hey Robby,

Obviously this problem opens up a lot of old wounds around here.  I also agree with you, that Cha0tic G0od has used more than just the three aliases he listed above (see my post above).  I'm frustrated too by the number of times that we've been down this road and no one has had their stuff returned (except Ghendar I believe).  This has been going on since late 2004!  I hope that it will be different this time, but I will remain highly skeptical until I see it. 
 
Because of all this history, this thread could get really nasty really fast.  So I think Krush and dj-chuckles are just trying to prevent that by saying keep it civil.  Personal insults, no matter who they're directed at, remain outside of the code of conduct.  To me, this means it's ok to say you believe someone is lying as long as you do it in a civil manner.  However, it's not alright to call them a "turd".  If you have a problem with the way people are moderating this forum, you can always take it up with me (or LCS if you're not happy with the way I'm handling it).  My email is posted in the forum discussion page (and it should be linked in my profile).

I have full confidence that LCS will have a very low tolerance for any misbehavior here.  I really agree with what LCS posted above.ÂAll of these trades all need to be worked out to the maximum extent possible before we even consider the possibility that Cha0tic G0od return to this site in even a highly restricted way (beyond posting in this thread).  The ball is really in his court; I hope he'll finally take the opportunity to come through.

Cheers,
LM


Edit: I was wrong about bonelock; he is still waiting to receive his minis as well.


Fair enough.




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09/18/2006 9:24 AM  
You or your "son" owe me a warforged titan.

The Banished (formerly Chaotic Good Jr, i.e. Cha0tic G0od's son) and I agreed to trade his Warforged Titan for my Vampire Aristocrat and Minotaur Skeleton on January 18th. On January 24th The Banished reported that he had received. On February 14th, I was told that he did not get the Titan in the mail due to his accident, and that he would be sending it shortly. I told him to take his time and recover, but I've yet to get it (not that I expect to anymore), and neither he nor Cha0tic G0od are responding to my e-mails.


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I was called Cha0tic g0od junior prior to getting this name.  I outlined who my
trading partners were in your topic.
If we are still on please send me your address.
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09/19/2006 12:39 AM  
Well, I had two very large trades with CG back in the day when Archfirends was a toddler and GoL was a new born. The first package I sent was a bloody big box full of minis and received nothing in return. The second I sent was a smaller box, about the size of a shoe box, it too was full of minis.

Unfortunately, I am not like everyone else and after six months I do a clean-up of my archives, so I have no record but my memory.

I do know however, that I was waiting on two promos - Dread Guard (GMR1) and Zhentarim Fighter, because I had to buy them after the trades fell through. I was also awaiting a Drizzt because my best mate is a Salvatore nut and Drizzt was to be his birthday present. Again I had to buy that.

I believe that sometimes we become victims of circumstance and so, if Resurrection is Cha0tic g0od and he is willing to fix things then I am willing to give him a go.

I will trade with you again if, as you sipulate, you send first. I would also appreciate it if you can send some of what you owe me.

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09/19/2006 4:45 AM  
No, I never received a thing from you. You know it. You never sent through Delivery Confirmation, as I did. And I asked you to do it, and yet you never did.

Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
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09/19/2006 6:54 AM  
Posted By Lab Monkey on 09/17/2006 10:26 AM
Posted By Resurrection on 09/17/2006 5:25 AM
There have only been 3 "alias":

Dead Man Walking
Do'Urden
Lonesome Drow

All here on Maxminis

With due respect there have been a many more than just three.Â

Lets try this list for starters:

Cha0tic G0od
DoUrden
Dead Man Walking
Wraith
Tactician
Incarnum
Dungeons N Dragons Gamer
Minis for Minis
Resurrection

And on Ebay:
magicofincarnum
Wraithchampion

Any others?

That adds serithax, Sir Bozak the Damned, and Yukon Cornellius to the people that you owe minis.  You're listed as a bad trader at WotC and Hordelings as well so there may be others at those sites.Â

I'm happy that you intend to try to resolve these trades, and I hope you do finally come through.Â

Best of luck getting things resolved.  I'll be away for a few days so LCS, Krush and Ghendar will be keeping track of this.Â
As far as me being these members:

Cha0tic g0od:  Ya, note my sig
Do'Urden:  Stated
Dead Man Walking:  Stated
Wraith:  NO
Tactician:  No, I know who he is.  We have had issues with each other over the years, but I am not him
Incarnum:  NO
Dungeons N Dragons Gamer:  NO
Minis for Minis:  NO
Resurrection:  Ah ya.

WOTC copied the bad traders list from here.  Hordelings should be the Drakul trade.


I am the member formally known as Cha0tic g0od.

I won't begin even the thought of trading until some of the old trades are returned. Then when I do trade; if I do, I WILL ALWAYS SEND FIRST.

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09/19/2006 7:27 AM  
To not cause anymore tention for this site, I created on for this issue as well:

http://freeforums.net/forum_index.cfm?FORUM_ID=8951

I will updated here on Maxminis as well.

I am sincere about making this right.

I am the member formally known as Cha0tic g0od.

I won't begin even the thought of trading until some of the old trades are returned. Then when I do trade; if I do, I WILL ALWAYS SEND FIRST.

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09/19/2006 7:35 AM  
Posted By Resurrection on 09/19/2006 7:27 AM
To not cause anymore tention for this site, I created on for this issue as well:

http://freeforums.net/forum_index.cfm?FORUM_ID=8951

I will updated here on Maxminis as well.

I am sincere about making this right.

No, I think everything should be discussed here right in the open on the site where you ripped your victims off. And, certainly not on a site of which you are the admin/mod.

If you are sincere-- actions speak louder than words and talk is cheap. I'll believe you are sincere when people start getting some figures from you. This is not the first time down this road but the third or the fourth....

I would ask why you are trying to make amends but I don't believe what you would say...


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09/19/2006 7:43 AM  
Another thing. You and I had about five successful  trades. In one of our earlier trades you claimed that you never got a box of figures I sent you. The only package I have ever had go missing in more than three years, 125+ trades and 197 ebay transactions. I cheerfully sent you replacements. Based on your reputation, fact that you ripped me of in our last and final trade, and hearing from others that you often claimed the same thing, I believe you did revieve the original shipment and fraudulently claimed you did not; thus getting twice the figures out of me. Are you going to make good on this too?  

If I really dig I might be able to find that list of replacement figs...


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09/19/2006 7:53 AM  
Posted By bonelock on 09/19/2006 7:35 AM
Posted By Resurrection on 09/19/2006 7:27 AM
To not cause anymore tention for this site, I created on for this issue as well:

http://freeforums.net/forum_index.cfm?FORUM_ID=8951

I will updated here on Maxminis as well.

I am sincere about making this right.

No, I think everything should be discussed here right in the open on the site where you ripped your victims off. And, certainly not on a site of which you are the admin/mod.

If you are sincere-- actions speak louder than words and talk is cheap. I'll believe you are sincere when people start getting some figures from you. This is not the first time down this road but the third or the fourth....

I would ask why you are trying to make amends but I don't believe what you would say...

Notice: "I will update here on Maxminis as well."

Why trying to make amends?  Becuase it's the right thing to do.

I am the member formally known as Cha0tic g0od.

I won't begin even the thought of trading until some of the old trades are returned. Then when I do trade; if I do, I WILL ALWAYS SEND FIRST.

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09/19/2006 7:54 AM  
Posted By bonelock on 09/19/2006 7:43 AM
Another thing. You and I had about five successful  trades. In one of our earlier trades you claimed that you never got a box of figures I sent you. The only package I have ever had go missing in more than three years, 125+ trades and 197 ebay transactions. I cheerfully sent you replacements. Based on your reputation, fact that you ripped me of in our last and final trade, and hearing from others that you often claimed the same thing, I believe you did revieve the original shipment and fraudulently claimed you did not; thus getting twice the figures out of me. Are you going to make good on this too?  

If I really dig I might be able to find that list of replacement figs...


Bonelock,

If this is true, let me know.

I am the member formally known as Cha0tic g0od.

I won't begin even the thought of trading until some of the old trades are returned. Then when I do trade; if I do, I WILL ALWAYS SEND FIRST.

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09/19/2006 9:04 AM  
[EDITED]
I am shocked beyond the capacity for rational thought.

[Edited by Lab Monkey for profanity]

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09/19/2006 9:41 AM  
Yes you are going to have to make good right here in the open, for this to even have a chance of working. I never made a trade with you only because DJ-Chuckles told me not to and I thank him for it. I hope that you do come through this time for all those you wronged.

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09/19/2006 10:38 AM  
What's sad is this... Me and CG had not 3, but 4 successful trades, before he did what he did in the end. It costed me several valuable rares, including a Vadania and a Troll. I will find the original trade thread here somewhere, but I marked this trade off as a lost cause long ago and got my minis elsewhere.

Since I no longer even collect the minis, all I'm really after is compensation of some sort. But I don't even care about that anymore either. It's been two years, and long gone are the ways things are.

Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
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09/19/2006 11:44 AM  
This is strange. Over on WotC we've had ScottWallace315 do a sudden surge of theft last month and out of the blue he pops in today saying he's going to return peoples minis or send them cash.

Two thieves show up within a couple days of each other to right their wrongs?

ScottWallace315 also made several comments about moving to Syracuse, NY.

Is he associated with you in any way? You say you aren't Tactician but you know who he is...is there some kind of DDM chopshop running out of Syracuse? Geez man.


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09/19/2006 1:25 PM  
DDM chopshop! lol!

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09/20/2006 10:35 AM  
Posted By Resurrection on 09/19/2006 6:54 AM
 As far as me being these members:

Cha0tic g0od:  Ya, note my sig
Do'Urden:  Stated
Dead Man Walking:  Stated
Wraith:  NO
Tactician:  No, I know who he is.  We have had issues with each other over the years, but I am not him
Incarnum:  NO
Dungeons N Dragons Gamer:  NO
Minis for Minis:  NO
Resurrection:  Ah ya.

WOTC copied the bad traders list from here.  Hordelings should be the Drakul trade.

Ok, I'm not really interested in debating you on any of this.  The important thing here is that you return people's stuff.   The sooner that happens the better.

I'm offline for two weeks starting today so this will be my last post on the matter.  Krush, Ghendar, and LCS will take over from here.

I do strongly suspect that there were more accounts than just the couple you've listed.  Here's just a few of the reasons I feel this way:

All of these accounts:
Dead Man Walking
The Banished
Dungeons N Dragons Gamer
Minis for Minis
Incarnum

Posted from the exact same IP address.  You admit to being Dead Man Walking and if I recall correctly, the Banished is your son.  The other accounts appear to belong to members of your household as well.
____________________________________________

Do Urden, who you admit to being, used the same name contact info as Wraith.
____________________________________________

Either Wraith or Tactician (I can't recall which) also used a Paypal account to pay spikegif with your real name on it.
____________________________________________

Then there's all the circumstantial evidence about when accounts were created (the next one almost always shows up just after the previous one gets locked).  All these accounts had very similar patterns of behavior.
____________________________________________

Witnesses identified Cha0tic G0od and these various accounts as all belonging to the same person.

http://64.151.65.228/Forums/tabid/104/view/topic/forumid/51/postid/447226/Default.aspx


There's even more, but it's really not worth getting into.  The point here is that we'd like you to return people's minis as soon as possible.    I'm really glad you intend to do that and I look forward to removing some of these problem trades from the disputed trades list as soon as I get back.

LM



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09/20/2006 12:17 PM  
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09/21/2006 10:14 AM  
Just watching this thread; how often should updates be expected?

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09/21/2006 10:52 AM  
I think that if he had been serious, someone in the US would have received from him by now. Our last hope is that he contacted Ghendar lately...

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09/21/2006 1:25 PM  
Last email contact was on 9/17 when I gave him my address.

No package received yet.

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09/21/2006 1:35 PM  
Thanks for the update.

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09/21/2006 1:43 PM  
Posted By Ghendar on 09/21/2006 1:25 PM
Last email contact was on 9/17 when I gave him my address.

No package received yet.


Just curious, is the plan that CG is going to send you a box of miscelanous stuff and you are to decide on recompense as best you can from what's in the box or is he supposedly sending you exactly what he owes everyone?

Be carefull he doesn't try to pin the loss of such a valuable box on you.... Not that any here would doubt you.


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Posted By ChristopherGroves on 09/21/2006 10:14 AM
Just watching this thread; how often should updates be expected?


If Ghendar doesn't have plastic in a week, shut this thread down and boot him for good!


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09/21/2006 4:56 PM  
Posted By bonelock on 09/21/2006 1:44 PM
Posted By ChristopherGroves on 09/21/2006 10:14 AM
Just watching this thread; how often should updates be expected?


If Ghendar doesn't have plastic in a week, shut this thread down and boot him for good!

I concur with this.  If nothing is received or heard from in the next 5-7 days, end of game.Â

Personally, it seems to me more like he's simply here stirring the pot so to speak.  More promisses.  Not living up to other aliases.  Not coming forward with the names of the persons who are the other aliases given that he claims they are not him and that he knows them.  C'mon, how people in Syracuse NY can be like CG.  

I will give him the benefit of doubt.  So, If he means as he says (which I doubt), he should come through and start doing so quickly.Â

But don't anyone hold your breath.  I'd hate to see anyone turn purple.Â



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09/22/2006 6:10 AM  
Posted By bonelock on 09/21/2006 1:44 PM
Posted By ChristopherGroves on 09/21/2006 10:14 AM
Just watching this thread; how often should updates be expected?


If Ghendar doesn't have plastic in a week, shut this thread down and boot him for good!


As usual, CG is going to say all sorts of things and not follow through with it... He gives us Native Americans, if he were really one, a really bad name. Is there any New Yorkers that's willing to look for him? And arrange a trade of goods in person? Ones that are not aliases or "friends" of Chaotic Good?

Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
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09/22/2006 9:53 AM  
I thought a week had already passed ?

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09/22/2006 1:21 PM  
I've waited 2 years roughly.. I can keep waiting. If I get something out of this... I might be a little happier

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09/22/2006 4:39 PM  

 

CG and I, while having multiple successfull trades on here, didnt have any "trade" issues

 

however, he did "purchase" an AD&D boxed set from me on e-bay, of which i never got anything for, but nor did i send him the box.

i looked, and i couldent find any record of the failed sale, but i can tell you this, the name he used on ebay, was definatly NOT listed above. i want to say it was something like "CGminihoarder" or something.

 

i'm not looking for anything from this failed sale, i just count my blessings that i didnt get it "broken off" if you know whati  mean, i just want to be sure that everyone has the info.


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09/22/2006 11:50 PM  
Any word yet, even though its Saturday technically you still get mail on saturdays

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09/23/2006 2:54 AM  
Mail on saturday? you lucky guys we don't have mail on saturdays

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09/25/2006 1:54 PM  
looks like he did it again.


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09/25/2006 2:58 PM  
where was the ip address that he used for the ressurection account from? i have a feeling he signed up before that to rip people off again....

i bet he moved from syracuse so he can scam again

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09/25/2006 4:45 PM  
Posted By Ghendar on 09/21/2006 1:25 PM
Last email contact was on 9/17 when I gave him my address.

No package received yet.

9/25/06
No update. No response to my email (sent 9/21) asking if he sent the box yet.

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09/25/2006 5:31 PM  

so, what does Brittney Spears, and CG have in common?

 

oops, they did it AGAIN!!!


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09/26/2006 3:34 AM  
I so hope no one sent anything to him this time around.Â


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09/26/2006 8:56 PM  
Well I'll give him the benfit that it could take a large box extra time to ship, this should be intersting to say the least.  If this does go through, some good old figures could be showing up in the market place here shortly....

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09/27/2006 2:02 PM  
I wish I knew what happened. CG used to be an upstanding member of the maxminis community and, by far, the most prolific poster. I think he, at one time, had one of the best trade records of anyone at the sight. We had a good trade. Then, all of a sudden, I hear about gobs and gobs of trades he failed to make good on. I just wish I knew why. How could scamming even a few hundred minis possibly be worth stabbing 1000 friends in the back? That's a far worse betrayal than when a new trader turns out to be a scammer, so I understand all the hurt feelings. It just doesn't make any sense, to me.

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09/28/2006 5:06 PM  
What he did really doesn't make sense. I enjoyed trading with CG until he pulled off that stunt on me.

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