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07/17/2006 12:06 PM  
Crap. That's not what I wanted to hear. Thanks though.


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07/17/2006 3:35 PM  
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I'd rather we were all here.... Your example is a good one (metric vs imperial). See where the US got when Jimmy Carter mandated a metric adoption date...

Really... I just want the community under ONE roof. This is the roof I'd prefer, but I'm seeing a lot of holes, and that just makes me sad.

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07/17/2006 3:57 PM  
I understand how you guys feel, but the way I see it, we were never all here to begin with. We've always been in different places. The change is that some folks aren't hanging around here much any more. That's sad; I understand that. For me, though, I want to contribute to a community where I feel confident that my contribution is valued by the powers that be. My contribution is modest, but it's still important to me, and I don't want it deleted, misrepresented, or exploited.
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07/17/2006 7:49 PM  
Metric isn't even close to what the Hordelings forum formatting code is. There's a standard for forum formatting code on all sites I use - EN World, Wizards, Maxminis, Dragonsfoot, Worlds of D&D, and so on. It uses [ B ], [ quote ] and suchlike. While Hordelings doesn't use this standard, it excludes itself from easy use, and becomes profoundly irritating to those who visit.

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07/17/2006 10:59 PM  
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Metric isn't even close to what the Hordelings forum formatting code is. There's a standard for forum formatting code on all sites I use - EN World, Wizards, Maxminis, Dragonsfoot, Worlds of D&D, and so on. It uses [ B ], [ quote ] and suchlike. While Hordelings doesn't use this standard, it excludes itself from easy use, and becomes profoundly irritating to those who visit.
And how! I really find the coding over there very frustrating.

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07/18/2006 1:18 AM  
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Metric isn't even close to what the Hordelings forum formatting code is. There's a standard for forum formatting code...


Ha! Touche.

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07/18/2006 1:34 AM  
"Metric" these days would have to be the boxes that work like word-processors - I use them on blogger and canonfire for submitting articles. Does anyone know if that code is freely available?

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07/18/2006 10:02 AM  
According to ktatroe, he's working on integrating BBCode into the site. He mentioned last week that the code he was working with caused a problem that he needs to work through. I hope he can figure it out soon because I loathe posting on forums that don't use some form of BBCode.

Funny thing, though, Hordelings currently allows you to use straight HTML... which is one workaround to the forum code problem. However, there are plenty of HTML code exploits around that I would guess that this option won't be around forever.

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07/18/2006 10:15 AM  
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According to ktatroe, he's working on integrating BBCode into the site. He mentioned last week that the code he was working with caused a problem that he needs to work through. I hope he can figure it out soon because I loathe posting on forums that don't use some form of BBCode.

Funny thing, though, Hordelings currently allows you to use straight HTML... which is one workaround to the forum code problem. However, there are plenty of HTML code exploits around that I would guess that this option won't be around forever.

--sam



Oh yeah, if he allows straight html, then he should be vulnerable to injection exploits, which would allow an unscrupulous to mess around in his db. Dropped tables, users and schemas can really mess with a site.

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07/18/2006 6:59 PM  
quote:
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According to ktatroe, he's working on integrating BBCode into the site. He mentioned last week that the code he was working with caused a problem that he needs to work through. I hope he can figure it out soon because I loathe posting on forums that don't use some form of BBCode.


Despite the lack of any real consensus what the full gamut of "UBB-style code" might mean (every forum seems to have their own breed -- researching and coming up with a selection to implement was the bulk of the work here), BBCode is now the default on Hordelings.

H/W: http://www.hordelings.com/frontend/profiles/profile.php?user=ktatroe

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07/18/2006 7:03 PM  
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"Metric" these days would have to be the boxes that work like word-processors - I use them on blogger and canonfire for submitting articles. Does anyone know if that code is freely available?


There are a number of them available -- but many of them generate buggy HTML, or aren't even remotely cross-platform compatible, or have many myriad other problems. There are a couple that are promising, but none yet outstanding.

H/W: http://www.hordelings.com/frontend/profiles/profile.php?user=ktatroe

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07/18/2006 7:07 PM  
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Oh yeah, if he allows straight html, then he should be vulnerable to injection exploits, which would allow an unscrupulous to mess around in his db. Dropped tables, users and schemas can really mess with a site.


Generally, injection exploits and XSS exploits -- the latter are most often associated with displaying unfiltered HTML -- are different beasts. But the point remains valid: displaying unfiltered HTML bad.

H/W: http://www.hordelings.com/frontend/profiles/profile.php?user=ktatroe
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07/18/2006 7:47 PM  
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Originally posted by ktatroe

quote:
Originally posted by Gnolaum

Oh yeah, if he allows straight html, then he should be vulnerable to injection exploits, which would allow an unscrupulous to mess around in his db. Dropped tables, users and schemas can really mess with a site.


Generally, injection exploits and XSS exploits -- the latter are most often associated with displaying unfiltered HTML -- are different beasts. But the point remains valid: displaying unfiltered HTML bad.


Oh, yeah, it definitely is.

I implemented only two tags for my article site: bold and italic. I'm investigating the WYSIWIG options for the new pages, but the problems with unfiltered code are definitely there.

I hate writing filter code...

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07/18/2006 8:52 PM  
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Originally posted by MerricB

I hate writing filter code...


This is your friend:

$clean = htmlentities($text, ENT_QUOTES, 'UTF-8');


At least, if you're using PHP (and assuming your pages are set as UTF-8, so you're looking for UTF-8 encoded input). That takes care of encoding at least. You still have a lot of validity filtering to do, but that's left as an exercise for the reader.

H/W: http://www.hordelings.com/frontend/profiles/profile.php?user=ktatroe

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07/19/2006 9:25 AM  
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Originally posted by Vrecknidj

I like the feel of Maxminis more than I like the tools of Hordelings. But, ultimately, I'll go where the most significantly meaningful discussion goes. I do want to have a robust trading site, but I'm more interested in the discussion end.

If Maxminis maintains its feel, I'll definitely stay. That said, some of that feel has slipped a bit over the past month.

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This sums up how I feel at the moment as well.

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07/19/2006 7:44 PM  
This thread is dead. Please do not restart it.

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