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galneweinhaw
Commander
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galneweinhaw
Commander
2646 Posts
| | 04/18/2005 1:52 PM |
| lurch_E_bean...
I'm going to have to concede my spot in the 'B' Finals, so lurch_E_bean good luck vs tullywi! | |
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jjbeezer
Sergeant
633 Posts
| | 04/18/2005 5:25 PM |
| First, sorry for changing the matchups from my original version. I hope the change came quick enough that it did not mess anyone up too bad.
If anyone can add insight into what the "Tide of Battle" scenario is, my MHB laking self would appreciate it.
Please check your stats to see if I made any mistakes updating them.
Tullywi (LG) - you have a feat from reaching level 7 that has not been added to your stats, which one did you choose?
Tullywi (CG) - Your writeup from last week mentioned you traded in your +1 Shield of Displacement. However, from looking at the treasure table, this is a major item. You listed that you traded it in for a Collar of Spell Resistance which is also a major item. Should you have just the Collar of Spell Resistance, or should you have the +1 Shield of Displacement and a Collar of Command (same rolls used to get to the CoSR just reading from the Medium items table)?
Mhir - The writeup from last week for your battle showed that you traded in a Medium item for a Major Ring of Spell Resistance. You have too many Medium itmes for me to pick which one you traded in. Could you please let me know which one was traded? | |
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AngryIrish
Warrior
313 Posts
| | 04/18/2005 6:04 PM |
| | Isn't the TIDE OF BATTLE scenario somethin like if you are leading on VP's then you auto win init? Maybe? | |
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rgrayua
Sergeant
400 Posts
| | 04/18/2005 7:10 PM |
| AngryIrish is right. Here's the actual text from the MHB:
In this scenario, the warband that is winning the skirmish uses its impetus to even greater advantage.
Special Rule--Impetus: Whichever warband has scored the most victory points automatically wins initiative. If players are tied in victory points (such as at the beginning of a skirmish), the tied players roll for initiative normally. | |
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galneweinhaw
Commander
2646 Posts
| | 04/18/2005 7:25 PM |
| jjb,
my bad, tullywi posted his feat last round and I forgot to update it. He chose Empower Spell. | |
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tullywi
Sergeant
982 Posts
| | 04/18/2005 9:11 PM |
| Hello jj,
I traded in one major item for another one. I couldn't justify the shield because CG has too few people who use shields. So, I traded that in for another major item. I believe that galneweinhaw said you could do that, but you don't get another item. Of course, the 2nd item isn't that great either, so I might do it again. | |
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Zippy
Underboss
1992 Posts
Whitewater, WI
| | 04/19/2005 1:19 AM |
| Takasi, who is your CG warlord? It's not listed yet. I can play Wed., Thurs., Fri. around 9:30 or later. You get 82 pts I get 75. Drop me a post or email to set something up.
Thanks! | |
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Takasi
Warrior
287 Posts
| | 04/19/2005 11:57 AM |
| Tide of Battle
In this scenario, the warband that is winning the skirmish uses its impetus to even greater advantage.
Special Rule - Impetus: Whichever warband has scored the most vicotory points automatically wins initiative. If players are tied in victory points (such as at the beginning of a skirmish), the tied players roll for initiative normally.
Zippy, I'll try to make it Wednesday at 7:30pm Pacific. What time is that for you? My warlord is Pepro, the Inspiring Marshal. | |
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Zippy
Underboss
1992 Posts
Whitewater, WI
| | 04/19/2005 3:18 PM |
| Zippy, I'll try to make it Wednesday at 7:30pm Pacific. What time is that for you? My warlord is Pepro, the Inspiring Marshal.
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Takasi, 9:30 PM for me, 7:30 PM for you, this wednesday. Pepro and Krawd square off in "The Tide of Battle". See you then. | |
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rgrayua
Sergeant
400 Posts
| | 04/19/2005 5:23 PM |
| | Takasi--I see you've already scheduled one of your matches. I'm EST and free most nights after 8PM EST. Let me know a good time for you for our match. Thanks. | |
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Takasi
Warrior
287 Posts
| | 04/19/2005 7:35 PM |
| | rgrayua, are you free tonight? How about at 7:30pm Pacific? | |
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rgrayua
Sergeant
400 Posts
| | 04/19/2005 8:56 PM |
| | Is that 10:30PM EST? That should be okay. Hopefully this match won't take that long. | |
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Richard II
Commander
3663 Posts
| | 04/19/2005 10:21 PM |
| | My potion of fireballs should be gone. I tossed two fireballs at tullywi in our skirmish last week. So close yet so far. | |
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AngryIrish
Warrior
313 Posts
| | 04/20/2005 1:11 AM |
| AngryIrish versus Old Coast
Winning Warlord:AngryIrish
Kane's Warband: Kane the Grim Necro, Gravehound, Zombie Summoned Minotaur Skeleton, Zombie Tiles: Assem6, Treasure room, Torture Chamber, Statue Room
Experience Gained:1000
Leveling: Kane gains +1 Spell Progression(+1lvl,+5hp and Ray of Enfeeblement [])
Lieutenant XP: N/A
Lieutenant leveling options (if any): N/A
Magic item gained: Ring of Fortune Striking
Magic item lost (if any): N/A
Losing warlord:Old Coast
Odge's warband: Odge the Orc Sergeant, Bugbear Footpad, Bugbear, Orc Spearfighter Tiles:Assem6, Torture Chamber, Abattoir, Broken wall
Experience gained:250
Warlord's leveling options (if any): N/A
Magic item gained:+1 armour
Magic item lost (if any): N/A
No log file was made. Stupid newbies. Zipp was there to keep us in line though. Good game. An early rout from a scared orc spear kept initiative on my side most of the match. OC moved his orc serge up maybe a little farther than he would have liked, and it was attacked and killed by the gravehound and minotaur skely. His footpad stuck around to the very last and deserves a medal.
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AngryIrish
Warrior
313 Posts
| | 04/20/2005 1:17 AM |
| I also had a few questions.
The Grim Necro in spell progression is Arcane and he starts at Spell Progress 5? Also in the spell progression levels, if you gain a 2nd level spell can you take a lower spell instead. Same with 3rd and 4th. Could you take 4 first level spells, or do you have to take the 2nd 3rd and 4th level?
Also I assume that a lieutenant can't be a summoned creature and that i can't summon my lieutenant.
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jjbeezer
Sergeant
633 Posts
| | 04/20/2005 9:11 AM |
| The Grim Necromancer is an "arcane" caster. He starts at the equivalent of Spell Progression 5. This means that his first level of Spell Progression advancement would be according to the level 6 line from the table. As you have done, this will give him a 1st level spell to choose from.
From the Eternal Campaign Rules: At each new level warlord spellcasters may gain an additional casting of a spell of the appropriate level they can already cast, or an additional casting of a new spell from table 1-17: Arcane Spells, Table 1-18 Divine Spells, or Table 1-19 Druidic Spells.
There is nothing in the rules that allows you to take a lower level spell at this current time. Galneweinhaw has a FAQ/Discussion thread that, if you thought this merrited discussion, we could talk about taking lower level spells.
I gave the summons that possibly meet the requirements of being a Lt. some thought last night. My personal thought was they would not qualify since they were not there from the start and they are just summons creatures.
However, the Eternal Campaign Rules put the qualificiations for a Lt. as: Warlords may choose any creature as a lieutenant who has no Commander rating or a Commander rating equal to or less than the warlord, has an Intelligence of 8 or higher, does not have the Difficult or Incited special ability, and is 35 points or less.
To me this opens a summons up to qualify for Lt., if it meets the rest of the requirements. And, since the point cost for the Lt. does not increase, the Lt. would still be summonable. Personally, this is a fairly scary thought. If anyone would like to discuss this idea further, lets do it in the FAQ thread.
Galneweinhaw: You are the true keeper of the rules so if you want to make an official ruling we can use that from here on out. | |
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galneweinhaw
Commander
2646 Posts
| | 04/20/2005 2:01 PM |
| You can not choose to learn a lower level spell (same as RPG). If you want to be able to do this then you'll need a Sorceror!
I pasted the summoning Lt part in the rules discussion thread. For now, as jjbeezer says, there is nothing preventing it. Let's discuss =) | |
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Takasi
Warrior
287 Posts
| | 04/20/2005 2:29 PM |
| rgrayua and I met last night:
Winning warlord's warband: Units: Sword of Heironeous (Eversmoking Bottle, +1 Shield of Quick Striking, Ring of Displacement), Paladin of Torm (+1 Shield), Skullclan Hunter (+1 armor), Human Dragonslayer (+1 armor); Tiles: Assembly Tile (Rubble), Mushroom Tangle, Ancient Temple, Aftermath
Experience gained: 1000
Warlord's leveling options (if any): Spell Progression (+5 hp, +[] Bear's Endurance)
Lieutenant XP, and who it is going to: 500 to Dirk the Human Dragonslayer
Lieutenant leveling options (if any): none
Magic item gained: traded in medium from win and 2 +1 armours for +1 Armour of Glorious Recover
Magic item lost (if any): none
Losing Player: rgrayua
Losing Warlord's Warband: Drow Wizard (Mask of the Skull; Gloves of Minor Fire Resistance) Dire Bear (Collar of Command) Eye of Gruumsh (Ring of One Godly Blow) Orc Raider (+1 Melee Weapon) Orc Raider Orc Warrior X3 Tiles: Rubble Assembly; Blood Rock Cave; Ancient Temple; Creeping Tangle
Experience gained: 250
warlord's leveling options (if any): none
Magic item gained: traded in minor from win and +1 weapon for ring of minor acid resistance
Magic item lost (if any): none
Battle Report: Who do I send the logfile to?
Boy the dice bot sure hated rgrayua! A ton of fumbles for him. He might have gotten the edge when his eye based my dragonslayer but he had two horrible rolls. From there I had the init the whole game, whiping out his orcs and forcing the eye to route (another bad roll to mc). Without my eversmoking bottle and the init scenario I think he would have had me easily. | |
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rgrayua
Sergeant
400 Posts
| | 04/20/2005 3:06 PM |
| | I would also like to point out that at +19 the Bear missed twice. There can only be one explanation for rolls that horrible--I was a very bad person in a past life. I thought the die roller was doing binary code I saw so many "1s" on my rolls. Of course the 19s and 20s on Takasi's rolls quickly disabused me of that notion. | |
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Zippy
Underboss
1992 Posts
Whitewater, WI
| | 04/20/2005 8:49 PM |
| To me this opens a summons up to qualify for Lt.
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Except in his case, the summoned bonies lacked intelligence | |
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tullywi
Sergeant
982 Posts
| | 04/20/2005 9:21 PM |
| | Lurch_E_bean and I are set to play Thursday night at 9:30 PM GMT-5. | |
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lurch_E_bean
Underboss
1058 Posts
| | 04/20/2005 10:28 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by tullywi
Lurch_E_bean and I are set to play Thursday night at 9:30 PM GMT-5.
Aren't we in GMT -6? Well, Central time in any event.
jjbeezer and I clashed tonight, and after a slow start, Alric the Glorious claimed his first victory.
Winning warlord: Alric the Glorious
Warband: Units: Inspiring Marshal, Graycloak Ranger, Wolf (minion), Elf Spearguard; Tiles: Assembly Tile (Rubble), Intersection, Ancient Temple, Aftermath
Experience gained: 1000
Warlord's leveling options (if any): Standard (+1 attack, level/save, +10 HP)
Lieutenant XP, and who it is going to: 500 to Tharivol the Graycloak Ranger
Lieutenant leveling options (if any): none
Magic item gained: +1 Shield of Fireballs
Magic item lost (if any): traded in Major Scroll of Still and Silent
Losing Player: jjbeezer
Losing Warlord's Warband: Orc Druid, Orc Savage x2, Orc Warrior X3 Tiles: Rubble Assembly; Abbitoir; Ancient Temple; Hall of Heroes
Experience gained: 250
warlord's leveling options (if any): none
Magic item gained: +1 Shield
Magic item lost (if any): n/a
The battle was fierce and short. Despite losing init on tile placement, I kept the board pretty open except for a vertical Hall of Heroes in the middle. From then on init was all me. As the orcs advanced, I used my GMA first round, so my Graycloak could pick off a Savage and we could take init. Round 2 started with the Graycloak finishing an Orc Warrior and the other Savage. An Orc Warrior took out my Spearguard and the other missed my wolf, and the wolf returned the favor. The Druid charged the wolf and screamed "Bad dog!!" causing him to route and the Orc Warrior finished him. Next round the Graycloak took out a warrior and pumped an arrow into the druid while Alric charged the Druid. The Druid routed and Alric finished the last Orc Warrior. As soon as the Graycloak saw the Orc Druid rally, he put him down with two arrows.
Yay! No more 50 point matches with CG!! | |
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tullywi
Sergeant
982 Posts
| | 04/21/2005 12:15 AM |
| Hello lurch,
Technically, we are in GMT -6. However, it is now daylight savings time which pushes us up one hour and GMT does not move. So, we are now officially in GMT -5. Of course, you are in Ohio and I know from personal experience that not all locations in Ohio use daylight savings. (There is nothing like having a business meeting and showing up at the wrong time.) Anyway, I'll see you at 9:30 PM CST. [:)] | |
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Zippy
Underboss
1992 Posts
Whitewater, WI
| | 04/21/2005 2:28 AM |
| Zippy vs. Takasi
Winning Warlord: Warchief Krawd (Zippy)
Zippy's Warband: Assy#6, Scorched Passage, Blood Rock Cave, Corridor / Krawd (Urthok), Green Dragon, Hobgoblin Warrior x2, Human Thug, Goblin Skirmisher
Experience Gained: 1000
Leveling: Krawd now is +2 Level at 2000 XP (+20 HP, +2 Attacks, +1 Command)
Lieutenant XP: 500
Lieutenant leveling options (if any): Ignavus (Green Dragon)
Magic item gained: Poisoned Melee Weapon +1 (DC16)
Magic item lost (if any): Traded in Medium (scroll of quicken)
Losing warlord: Pepro (Takasi [CG])
Takasi's warband: Units: Inspiring Marshal, Half-Elf Bow Initiate (+1 Armour), Gnome Recruit; Support Troops: Ragnara, Psychic Warrior; Terrain: Assembly Tile (Rubble), Aftermath, Ancient Temple, Mushroom Tangle
Experience gained: 250
Warlord's leveling options (if any): N/A
Magic item gained: Armor of Quick Striking (Med.)
Magic item lost (if any): Traded in +1 Armor (Minor)
The two bands entered the field with HEBI in front and a small swarm of goblinoids coming toward him. HEBI dispatched one hobgoblin before Ignavus the Green Dragon landed at his side, delivering a minor bite. Pepro followed Raganara into the fray, and the goblinoids gathered around HEBI. Krawd brought up the rear in his slow heavy armor.
Pepro inspired his units to regroup, and HEBI slipped out of the fray with only a few bite and sword wounds, after which he sunk 3 arrows into Ignavus, inflicting heavy damage. Ignavus spun around and let loose his caustic spittle, lightly burning the flesh of Raganara and HEBI, and removing significant meat from Pepro himself.
Raganra managed to slay a goblin and waded right up into the fray. Krawd's hired thug clubbed Pepro on the noggin, and Pepro fled the scene to regroup and tend to his dissolved flesh. Ignavus took the opportunity to fly in behind HEBI, while Krawd sandwiched HEBI in from the front.
After a couple of hits from Ignavus and Krawd, HEBI fled for the hills at full speed, leaving the field to Krawd's gang of boors.
QUESTION: Krawd's band did not bring its Quicken scroll into battle (no use for it). In the EC rules, it seems to say a warlord can trade one magic item in after the battle for a better one. Krawd traded in the scroll which he did not bring into battle. If this is not OK, I will use the rolls for a Medium item instead. Also, if it is true that a warlord needs to bring an item into battle to trade it in, that should be added to / clarified in the rules (I would have tucked the scroll into Krawd's belt had I known). Please post a ruling on this. | |
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jjbeezer
Sergeant
633 Posts
| | 04/21/2005 10:11 AM |
| | Alric the Glorious also had his scroll "tucked in his belt" during our match. I don't think is a problem to do things the way you explained them. | |
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Zippy
Underboss
1992 Posts
Whitewater, WI
| | 04/21/2005 1:07 PM |
| | I re-read, it says I "or may exchange a medium magic item he already owns for a random magic item of major power". It does not say I have to carry it, only that I have to own the item. | |
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Takasi
Warrior
287 Posts
| | 04/21/2005 1:17 PM |
| | jjbeezer, what's next week's scenario? If you don't have the handbook you could roll a d100 and we can post the result. | |
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Mhir
Sneak
93 Posts
| | 04/21/2005 2:53 PM |
| In the last game i trade
(Med).Potion of Major Fire Resistance [][] (Resist 15 Fire)
for a (Maj) ring of magic resistance, but i do not see this change..:)
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jjbeezer
Sergeant
633 Posts
| | 04/21/2005 3:55 PM |
| Mhir, the item that you traded in was not listed in the report for your last battle. An early post in this thread asked what you had traded for the ring. I have now updated your stats to remove the potion and add the ring.
I rolled for the next scenario and got an 86/100. The backup scenario (in case of a repeat) is 53/100. If both are boring repeats, it will be Assault. Could someone post what those scenarios correspond to? | |
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lurch_E_bean
Underboss
1058 Posts
| | 04/21/2005 4:58 PM |
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Originally posted by tullywi
Hello lurch,
Technically, we are in GMT -6. However, it is now daylight savings time which pushes us up one hour and GMT does not move. So, we are now officially in GMT -5. Of course, you are in Ohio and I know from personal experience that not all locations in Ohio use daylight savings. (There is nothing like having a business meeting and showing up at the wrong time.) Anyway, I'll see you at 9:30 PM CST. [:)]
Stupid daylight savings time, lousy farmers...
I'm actually in Chicago, not Ohio, so we're on normal person time here. | |
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Zippy
Underboss
1992 Posts
Whitewater, WI
| | 04/21/2005 9:21 PM |
| Scenario 86 is: Magic Statues "The statues in the dungeon grant magical gifts to creatures that invoke their powers"
Details moved to Week 15 Sign-Up Thread | |
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tullywi
Sergeant
982 Posts
| | 04/22/2005 1:16 AM |
| lurch_E_bean and I met tonight.
It was another very interesting matchup.
Winning Warlord: Mystique the Bladesinger- tullywi (CG)
Mystique's warband: Units: Mystique the Bladesinger, Rask, Crow Shaman, a Medium Astral Construct, and another Medium Astral Construct as support. Tiles: Assembly Tile Rubble, Spike Stone Cave, Torture Chamber, and Treasure Room
Experience gained: 1500
Leveling: Mystique lived and will take another warlord level (3rd), gain 5 hit points, and take another spell level (5th with the 3rd level spell Fireball).
Lieutenant XP: NA - The Crow Shaman ran off the board after moving once.
Lieutenant leveling options (if any): NA
Magic item gained: +1 Armor of Regeneration
Magic item lost (if any): Traded in the Collar of Spell Resistance
Losing warlord: lurch_E_bean
Losing warlord's warband: Units: Urthok the Destroyer, Erinyes, 2x Blue, and 3x Goblin Skirmisher. Tiles: Assembly Tile Rubble, Intersection, Aftermath, and Rubble Room.
Experience gained: 250
Warlord's leveling options (if any): n/a
Magic item gained: +1 Weapon
Magic item lost (if any): NA
The log file has been sent to Galneweinhaw.
This was another very close match. Lurch took out my Crow Shaman by winning init the 2nd round and blasting him with Erinyes and hitting him with a Goblin Skirmisher. The Crow ran and didn't look back. This gave Lurch the initiatives for most of the rest of the match. The turning point was when I hit Urthok with the Ray of Enfeeblement. It also helped that Rask made his morale check and saved against the Eriynes blast that took care of the Crow. Good playing lurch_E_bean. | |
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tullywi
Sergeant
982 Posts
| | 04/23/2005 10:29 PM |
| | Mhir, I dropped and can't get back into Vassal. I have the game saved. Give me 10 more minutes and hopefully I will be back in. | |
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tullywi
Sergeant
982 Posts
| | 04/23/2005 11:56 PM |
| Well, It was a massive battle, but the Warforged Titan was able to come out on top in the end.
Winning Warlord: Urthok the Vicious
Urthok's warband: Units: Urthok the Vicious (Ring of Spell Resistance, +1 Weapon of Cold +5, Bracers of Fire Elemental, Ring of Burst (Searing light), +1 Shield of Immunity to Acid, +1 Armor of Fire Resistance), Kobold Sorcerer, Warforged Titan with +1 Armor of Speed (+2 speed), and 5x Duergar Warriors. Tiles: Assembly Tile Statue, Hall of Heroes, Blood Rock Cave, and the Shrine.
Experience gained: 750
Leveling: Urthok died and gained 500 experience
Lieutenant XP: One of the Duergar's survived and will take 250 experience.
Lieutenant leveling options (if any): NA
Magic item gained: Shield of Blasting
Artifact gained: Monilis Deus We aren't really sure what it is though.
Magic item lost (if any): Traded in his Silent Scroll
Losing Warlord: Ruin the Cleric of Lathander
Ruins's warband: Units: Cleric of Lathander (Ring of Leadership, Potion of Blindness), Aramil (Scroll of Silent and Still), Couatl, Cleric of Order (Ring of Blinding), 3x Skullclan Hunter (+1 Sword of Returning, +1 Sword of Poison DC 16), Hill Dwarf Warrior, Protector (Ring of Spell Resistance) Tiles: Assembly Tile Rubble, Treasure Room, Spike Stone Cave, Corridor
Experience gained: 250
Leveling: Ruin is officially being retired. It was a fun run, but he has had enough.
Lieutenant XP: NA
Lieutenant leveling options (if any): NA
Magic item gained: NA
Magic item lost (if any): NA
Overall, it was a very fun match. The Titan was a beast. I had no answer for it. I was very excited when I got it to half its hit points at the end. Then, I remembered it is a construct and is fearless.
Urthok is a beast. I believe he is the best commander for campaigns. I was able to take him out by using sidestep with my skullclans. Mhir played really well and was helped out by some timely criticals. (I don't think they altered the outcome, but ouch did they hurt at the time.) Urthok had a few (one of them with a 19). I had a few as well, but they came against the Titan. (Boo!)
Anyway, Congratulations to Mhir on winning his 2nd artifact. There are 2 log files because Vassal dropped us towards the end of the match. | |
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