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Originally posted by Richard II

The rules are pretty clear aren't they?

If you win you can either:

a) Roll a medium item, or

b) Trade a medium for a major, or

c) Trade a major for a new major and a minor.

If you lose you can either:

d) Roll a minor item, or

e) Trade a minor for a medium, or

f) Trade a minor and medium for a major, or

g) Trade a major for a new major.

One important thing to remember, and from a brief conversation with Veliq, I think it's what messed him up, you can own more then your level+1 items, but you can't bring more then level+1 items to a battle.

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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable

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Originally posted by Richard II

The rules are pretty clear aren't they?

If you win you can either:

a) Roll a medium item, or

b) Trade a medium for a major, or

c) Trade a major for a new major and a minor.

If you lose you can either:

d) Roll a minor item, or

e) Trade a minor for a medium, or

f) Trade a minor and medium for a major, or

g) Trade a major for a new major.

One important thing to remember, and from a brief conversation with Veliq, I think it's what messed him up, you can own more then your level+1 items, but you can't bring more then level+1 items to a battle.

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But isnt there an option to trade two minors and a medium (roll) for a major a win? thats equivalent anyway...

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Originally posted by Richard II

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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable

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Originally posted by Richard II

The rules are pretty clear aren't they?

If you win you can either:

a) Roll a medium item, or

b) Trade a medium for a major, or

c) Trade a major for a new major and a minor.

If you lose you can either:

d) Roll a minor item, or

e) Trade a minor for a medium, or

f) Trade a minor and medium for a major, or

g) Trade a major for a new major.

One important thing to remember, and from a brief conversation with Veliq, I think it's what messed him up, you can own more then your level+1 items, but you can't bring more then level+1 items to a battle.

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But isnt there an option to trade two minors and a medium (roll) for a major a win? thats equivalent anyway...

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It is equivalent, but by the rules it's not allowed. At least not according to that paragraph I posted.

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Originally posted by Richard II

Ah, what you propose may be legal.

From Magic Items/Magic Items Strengths:

Throughout these rules, unless otherwise noted, "medium magic item" may be replaced with "two minor magic items" and "major magic item" may be replaced with "two medium magic items".

So that means when the rules earlier say that You can trade a medium for a major if you win, you can "replace" where it says medium with two minors and indeed exchange two minors and the medium you'd normally roll for a major if you win.

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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable

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Originally posted by Richard II

Ah, what you propose may be legal.

From Magic Items/Magic Items Strengths:

Throughout these rules, unless otherwise noted, "medium magic item" may be replaced with "two minor magic items" and "major magic item" may be replaced with "two medium magic items".

So that means when the rules earlier say that You can trade a medium for a major if you win, you can "replace" where it says medium with two minors and indeed exchange two minors and the medium you'd normally roll for a major if you win.

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yeah. So I think itd be easier and much more clear if we just had a list like the one you laid out.

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Originally posted by Richard II

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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable

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Originally posted by Richard II

Ah, what you propose may be legal.

From Magic Items/Magic Items Strengths:

Throughout these rules, unless otherwise noted, "medium magic item" may be replaced with "two minor magic items" and "major magic item" may be replaced with "two medium magic items".

So that means when the rules earlier say that You can trade a medium for a major if you win, you can "replace" where it says medium with two minors and indeed exchange two minors and the medium you'd normally roll for a major if you win.

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yeah. So I think itd be easier and much more clear if we just had a list like the one you laid out.

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That line though opens up a sick number of possibilities though. It means that theoretically a winner could roll two minors instead of a medium, a loser could trade in a major for two minors and a medium (or 4 minors), etc.

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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable

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Originally posted by Richard II

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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable

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Originally posted by Richard II

Ah, what you propose may be legal.

From Magic Items/Magic Items Strengths:

Throughout these rules, unless otherwise noted, "medium magic item" may be replaced with "two minor magic items" and "major magic item" may be replaced with "two medium magic items".

So that means when the rules earlier say that You can trade a medium for a major if you win, you can "replace" where it says medium with two minors and indeed exchange two minors and the medium you'd normally roll for a major if you win.

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yeah. So I think itd be easier and much more clear if we just had a list like the one you laid out.

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That line though opens up a sick number of possibilities though. It means that theoretically a winner could roll two minors instead of a medium, a loser could trade in a major for two minors and a medium (or 4 minors), etc.

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Well my take is there should only be 1 way you can ever get more than one item with a win. You trade a major for another major and get a minor. Thats it. Im not saying every possible way should be ok, just that we need a list of eveyr official way.

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Originally posted by Zippy

Perhaps this:

1) ITEM VALUE: Use of word minor and medium and major are interchangeable such that 4 minors = 2 mediums = 1 major or any equivalent that maintains these ratios
2) GAIN FOR EACH MATCH: The winner gains a medium, the loser gains a minor
3) TRADING IN: If items are traded in, they may be combined with the won item to roll instead for a single item
4) NO BANKING: item value not rolled for at the end of the match may not be saved or "banked" - exactly one item must be rolled for by each player at the end of each match.
5) EXCHANGING A MAJOR: By sacrificing at least the value of one minor, an existing major item can be rerolled for e new major item.

Will this (or a slicker worded version) will let the system work as we want it to without typing out all the permutations?

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Yeah something like that. It took me two reads, but it works. The single item thing is what I missed on the first read. Might need the one major for major/minor on a win exception there.

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Originally posted by Zippy

Perhaps this:

1) ITEM VALUE: Use of word minor and medium and major are interchangeable such that 4 minors = 2 mediums = 1 major or any equivalent that maintains these ratios
2) GAIN FOR EACH MATCH: The winner gains a medium, the loser gains a minor
3) TRADING IN: If items are traded in, they may be combined with the won item to roll instead for a single item
4) NO BANKING: item value not rolled for at the end of the match may not be saved or "banked" - exactly one item must be rolled for by each player at the end of each match.
5) EXCHANGING A MAJOR: By sacrificing at least the value of one minor, an existing major item can be rerolled for e new major item.

Will this (or a slicker worded version) will let the system work as we want it to without typing out all the permutations?

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If you win you can either:

a) Roll a medium item, or

b) Trade a medium for a major, or

c) Trade a major for a new major (and a minor - the extra minor would be new, allowing 2 item rolls from one match)

Add) Trade two minors for a major

If you lose you can either:

d) Roll a minor item, or

e) Trade a minor for a medium, or

f) Trade a minor and medium for a major, or

g) Trade a major for a new major.

Add) Trade 2 mediums for a major (or, for major & minor)

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Originally posted by Zippy

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If you win you can either:

a) Roll a medium item, or

b) Trade a medium for a major, or

c) Trade a major for a new major (and a minor - the extra minor would be new, allowing 2 item rolls from one match)

Add) Trade two minors for a major

If you lose you can either:

d) Roll a minor item, or

e) Trade a minor for a medium, or

f) Trade a minor and medium for a major, or

g) Trade a major for a new major.

Add) Trade 2 mediums for a major (or, for major & minor)

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If folks would rather have the spelled out list of options that's fine, it means the same thing.

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Originally posted by Zippy

If we use the word equivalent, we have to add a line stating that 4 minors = 2 mediums = 1 major (or in this case at least that 2 minors = 1 medium).

Either way's fine w/ me.

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