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12/24/2005 1:11 AM  
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Posted - 12/22/2005 : 08:55:36 AM
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2 Dwarf Phalanx fighters escorting a gith monk towards the heavily emblazoned encampment of Fredrick the Priest of Saint Rose. He brings a scroll and a ring in hopes to offer an alliance to all that is evil and cruel.

LG - LG against eeeevvvviiiillll


After some discussion Fredrick and Bran accept the alliance. In honor of the alliance a feast was prepared. Where Chronos was presented a wondrous shirt to seal the alliance.


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12/24/2005 8:11 AM  
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ALLIANCE TRADES UPDATED - HOLLER IF I MESSED OR MISSED ANYTHING!



You recorded that I got the robe of striding and no longer had the +1 armor of big stepping, but did not list that Tyrannt now has the armor. (And he still has the robe listed.)


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12/24/2005 11:52 AM  
Beat me to it eMpTy KaY!!

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12/24/2005 12:38 PM  
Completes Trade with Flint_Firestone

graciously accepts the trade loving the shirt he gives Fredrick a wonderful ring.

(Medium) Ring of Minor Invuln (Chronos') LG for (Medium) Shirt of Insight (Fredrick) LG

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12/24/2005 12:51 PM  
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Beat me to it eMpTy KaY!!



[:D]

Also, you will want to be a little more careful on the offers. You had said you were offering a robe of sprinting, but it was actually a robe of striding. Striding and sprinting are different abilities, and had thought I was getting a robe a sprinting. I still like the trade and don't want to change it, but that was part of why I double checked what you had.


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12/24/2005 2:31 PM  
Did I? Whoops, my bad. I appologise.

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12/24/2005 2:33 PM  
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Ring of Blinding OR Robe of Striding (both medium) FOR +1 Armour of Big Stepping.



No, I wrote striding!

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12/24/2005 5:32 PM  
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Ring of Blinding OR Robe of Striding (both medium) FOR +1 Armour of Big Stepping.



No, I wrote striding!



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12/25/2005 9:34 PM  
STATS UPDATED TO HERE - CHECK 'EM!

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01/01/2006 7:53 PM  
After returning from a visit to a frozen land of ice and snow Laucio, a Cleric of Lathander, has been informed that his ally has recently obtained a Ring of Striding. Remembering the powerful armor that Laucio had traded Koivu before Laucio thinks that he should be payed back a bit. Laucio offers his Ioun Stone of Melfs Acid Arrows [][] for the Ring of Striding.

Trade proposal: Laucio's Ioun Stone of Melfs Acid Arrows for Koivu's Ring of Striding.

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01/03/2006 2:28 AM  
Zarnofixus, sensing his upcoming retirement, sends Raven Eyes a package containing his ring of burrowing, bracelet of charisma, +1 weapon of acid, and bracelet of big stepping. He asks for the ring of lightning bolts, +1 armor of elemental resistance, and ring of major fire resistance.

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01/03/2006 10:41 AM  
"Once a pair of Allies have been declared, the allies may, once a week, trade an equivalent magic item of any strength, excluding artifacts" [excerpt from EC V2 rules]

Allies may trade an (one) item per week, so you'll need to pick a single item for the trade [:0]

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01/03/2006 1:33 PM  
We've let multiple item trades go through before I believe, as long as the equivalency works out in the end.

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01/03/2006 1:49 PM  
I think the only time multiple items have gone has been major for 2 mediums. I dont think weve ever let more than one item go from one side. Not sure though, ive always thought of it as one item. There are a few things like this that need cleared up in v3. Stuff that you can do going with the letter of the trade rules but not necessarily the spirit etc, Im not saying im above doing them (trading, breaking an alliance, allying, trading, and then breaking and going back with original partner) basically having a 3 way trade. Its perfectly legal, but just feels a bit dirty to me. What are others thoughts on issues such as these?

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01/03/2006 2:06 PM  
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I think the only time multiple items have gone has been major for 2 mediums. I dont think weve ever let more than one item go from one side. Not sure though, ive always thought of it as one item. There are a few things like this that need cleared up in v3. Stuff that you can do going with the letter of the trade rules but not necessarily the spirit etc, Im not saying im above doing them (trading, breaking an alliance, allying, trading, and then breaking and going back with original partner) basically having a 3 way trade. Its perfectly legal, but just feels a bit dirty to me. What are others thoughts on issues such as these?



You're right. The once or twice that more then one item has been involved on one side it's been to balance out power levels (1 major for 2 mediums, etc) never a major and a medium for a medium and a major or something like that.


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01/03/2006 3:00 PM  
Based on rules, it would seem multiples are not OK unless they are the equivalent of one item (thus a warlord may trade no more than 1 maj equivalent per week).

I agree with AesD we need to clarify trading rules for V3.

I would be concerned about rules that allow muling (i.e. having a sacrifical warlord used to farm its good items off to feed a primary warlord). Other than that, a little wheeling and dealing might fit a warlord's personality quite nicely (greedy dwarf, chaotic scheister, etc.) [}:)]

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01/03/2006 3:28 PM  
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Originally posted by Zippy

Based on rules, it would seem multiples are not OK unless they are the equivalent of one item (thus a warlord may trade no more than 1 maj equivalent per week).

I agree with AesD we need to clarify trading rules for V3.

I would be concerned about rules that allow muling (i.e. having a sacrifical warlord used to farm its good items off to feed a primary warlord). Other than that, a little wheeling and dealing might fit a warlord's personality quite nicely (greedy dwarf, chaotic scheister, etc.) [}:)]



aight works for me

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01/03/2006 6:18 PM  
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Originally posted by Zarnof

Zarnofixus, sensing his upcoming retirement, sends Raven Eyes a package containing his ring of burrowing, bracelet of charisma, +1 weapon of acid, and bracelet of big stepping. He asks for the ring of lightning bolts, +1 armor of elemental resistance, and ring of major fire resistance.



Done deal. Raven Eyes gladly sends her end of the bargain back in the same packaging.

Completed trades: Zarnof, Ehren37, Eric is God, griffrat, cavedweller, Kyrinn, Blade, Humble Minion, Noghri, Ilarue

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01/04/2006 2:09 AM  
After Laucio Silvenglades recent victory he has obtained a powerful Robe, but this Robe does not give him power but the Arcane casters are powered up by the magic of the Robe. Since he has no use for it Laucio proposes a trade with his dark Dwarven ally, Koivu.

Trade Proposal: Robe of the Archmagi (Maj) from Laucio to Koivu for his Ring of Striding (Med) and +1 Shield of Minor Cold Resistance (Med).

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01/04/2006 2:35 AM  
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Originally posted by Aravis

After Laucio Silvenglades recent victory he has obtained a powerful Robe, but this Robe does not give him power but the Arcane casters are powered up by the magic of the Robe. Since he has no use for it Laucio proposes a trade with his dark Dwarven ally, Koivu.

Trade Proposal: Robe of the Archmagi (Maj) from Laucio to Koivu for his Ring of Striding (Med) and +1 Shield of Minor Cold Resistance (Med).



"Gomez will be delighted" says Koivu with a thunderous laugh.

Trade completed.

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01/04/2006 2:36 AM  
Rosencrantz sends an envoy of Juscticators to his loyal ally Clank. "Master Clank, here is the belt of shadow as promised, do you have the return gift?"

Belt of Shadow for +1 armor of striding, traded soon as Clank replies

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01/04/2006 8:53 AM  
Clank laments, "Why couldn't my creator have made me where I could wear armor? This Armor of Striding has served me well since I gave it to that Gold Champion to become King of the Hill. Hmm, Rosencrantz will be able to use it to fight the forces of Evil better than I could. It is a deal!"

Trade of jjb's (Med) +1 Armor of Striding for AesD's (Med) Belt of Shadow confirmed.


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01/04/2006 12:47 PM  
Clank & Rosencrantz trade performed.

[?] Zarnof and SilentG, please choose "an" item or equivalent for this week's trade (no more than Major item total value).

Thanks!

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01/04/2006 12:49 PM  
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Originally posted by Zippy

Clank & Rosencrantz trade performed.

[?] Zarnof and SilentG, please choose "an" item or equivalent for this week's trade (no more than Major item total value).

Thanks!


Zip Aravis and I also have a trade completed in there

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01/05/2006 4:39 AM  
After the trade with Laucio and Koivu is completed I would like to do the following..

Laucio tells Koivu that the alliance must be put on hold for a greater task. But he also says not to worry, for they shall be seeing eachother soon enough.

Laucio breaks the alliance with Koivu momentarily..

Then..Arganth Stormblight approaches Koivu Bloodmantle. They talk for a while about their plans and how the Druidic power that Arganth has been bless, or cursed..I guess, with makes him a stronger commander than his Tiefling counterpart. After their discussion they swap a few items and go on their way.

Arganth offers a trading alliance between Koivu and himself. Arganth offers his new Vest of the Hunter (Maj) for Koivu's Robe of the Archmagi (Maj)

NOTE: This takes place AFTER the trade between Laucio and Koivu has been completed. Also, this is possible because under the rules it states that a PAIR of allies may trade once a week. But here I am making two SEPERATE pairs of warlords. Thus enabling me to do this.

In the end the following should happen.

Laucio and Koivu trade the Robe of the Archmagi (Laucio's) for Koivu's Ring of Striding and +1 Shield of Minor Cold Resistance (Both Koivu's). They unally. Then Arganth and Koivu will ally (when Aesoph confirms this) and trade a Vest of the Hunter (Arganth's) for Koivu's (Robe of the Archmagi). After the trade Arganth ends the alliance with Koivu.

Sorry for the huge post and crap. But its complicated.

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01/05/2006 4:56 PM  
If thats ruled legal, the second trade I Accept as well.

After that Koivu does not really with anyone and is going to fly solo for awhile.

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01/05/2006 8:45 PM  
As written, the rules seem to allow this.

Trades performed, check your stats.

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01/06/2006 2:03 AM  
Warlord Angikr offers his new (Med) Ring of False Life for Odjur's (Med) +1 Shocking Melee Weapon.

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01/06/2006 8:29 AM  
Adiella still seeks an ally to fight the evil all around her (preferably good, then)

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01/06/2006 10:07 AM  
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Warlord Angikr offers his new (Med) Ring of False Life for Odjur's (Med) +1 Shocking Melee Weapon.



Agreed!

Angikr, on visiting his reliable trading partner and ally Odjur, finds the Cap'n in a smoldering heap, the entire wooden keep burned down around the Tiefling's body. In amonst the wreckage, Angikr locates the coveted electric blade. Angikr honors his friend by burying him with a newly found ring of power, something to appease his spirit and prevent ghostly retribution.

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01/06/2006 10:38 AM  
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Laucio and Koivu trade the Robe of the Archmagi (Laucio's) for Koivu's Ring of Striding and +1 Shield of Minor Cold Resistance (Both Koivu's). They unally. Then Arganth and Koivu will ally (when Aesoph confirms this) and trade a Vest of the Hunter (Arganth's) for Koivu's (Robe of the Archmagi). After the trade Arganth ends the alliance with Koivu.




Just a note that I don't like this. I'm ok with three way trades, but in this situation Aravis essentially traded items between his own warlords which shouldn't happen imo.

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01/06/2006 11:57 AM  
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quote:
Originally posted by Aravis


Laucio and Koivu trade the Robe of the Archmagi (Laucio's) for Koivu's Ring of Striding and +1 Shield of Minor Cold Resistance (Both Koivu's). They unally. Then Arganth and Koivu will ally (when Aesoph confirms this) and trade a Vest of the Hunter (Arganth's) for Koivu's (Robe of the Archmagi). After the trade Arganth ends the alliance with Koivu.




Just a note that I don't like this. I'm ok with three way trades, but in this situation Aravis essentially traded items between his own warlords which shouldn't happen imo.



I will go on record stating that I was uncomfortable with it at first, but I owed Aravis a good trade for the armor of command he sent me awhile back so I went with it. This is one of those things that I think we need to address in the future with v3 and im not sure how to go about it. I think it fits the letter of the law, but not the intent, and I am not sure how to fix it is the issue.

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01/06/2006 10:30 PM  
In regard to trading with your own warlord, via another warlord:

I can understand people not liking it, but at the same time, is it fair to say my LG warlord could trade with any other LG, CG or LE warlord, EXCEPT the LE and CG warlord I play? [?][:(][V]

That said, I completely agree that you should not be able to trade directly with your own warlord. I do not have a problem with having someone work as a proxie for people like this, but perhaps we should make a rule that you can not do it all in one week. Something like a warlord can not break an alliance and form a new alliance with a different warlord controlled by the same player in the same week. So you have to wait a week to complete the trade. I would invision something like I trade with a players warlord week X, in week X+1 I ally with the players other warlord and make the new trade. If I had a battle between the trades I could use the magic item of course.

Just my initial thoughts on the subject.


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01/07/2006 4:39 PM  
A simple solution might be that a Warlord can only trade one item per week (or the equivalent). That way they could make a trade one week and ally with a different warlord. However, they could not make a trade with that new alliance partner until the next week.


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01/07/2006 4:40 PM  
My thought is that a given warlord would be limited to a single trade with no more than a major item equivalent of total traded items in a given week, while all other current stipulations still apply. The multi-alliance-swapping-multi-trade thing is an administrative burden in addition to promoting min/maxing and muling [V]

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01/07/2006 6:41 PM  
A Single trade (at most one item on one side, so a major for two med would be allowed) a week sounds good to me. That is basically what I was thinking anyway.


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01/07/2006 10:44 PM  
Urthok would like to form an Alliance with Damocles the Drow Wizard and would like to trade his armor of burrowing for the Drow's armor of duality.


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01/07/2006 10:47 PM  
Damocles will ally with Urthok and accept his trade.

Lose/ one Armor of Duality
Gain/ one Armor of Burrow


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01/07/2006 11:16 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Lodgar

Urthok would like to form an Alliance with Damocles the Drow Wizard and would like to trade his armor of burrowing for the Drow's armor of duality.



Uh oh! You'll need to perform this trade in a week you're both playing EC matches.
"Allies may only trade in weeks where both warlords have signed up to play." [excerpt from V2 rules]

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01/08/2006 1:26 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by s1n50

Damocles will ally with Urthok and accept his trade.

Lose/ one Armor of Duality
Gain/ one Armor of Burrow




*Jaw drops* Umm..Duality roxor..Burrow not so roxor..why??

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