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TruNutral88
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 | | 10/05/2005 2:54 PM |
| | recovered topic 9515 | |
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TruNutral88
Sergeant
522 Posts
| | 10/05/2005 2:54 PM |
| | Dude ur overfodderizing it (if thats a word). I only use 3-6 pts apiece and normally 20-25pts of fodder. only use 9-12 if u have a commander that benefits them such as eye of gruumsh and a mountain orc or an orc raider. But there are the 3pt orc warriors with +4 (10) which is quite usefull indeed. | |
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Korhal_IV
Sergeant
852 Posts
| | 10/05/2005 2:57 PM |
| | Fodder should only cost 3-5 points. Do not buy multiple 9-11 point units. If possible, all your units should cost between 3-5 and 30-50, minus perhaps your commander. | |
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DragonVenom
Sneak
111 Posts
| | 10/05/2005 3:17 PM |
| As a rule of thumb (and I hope you understand that a rule of thumb is very loose and approximate) I wouldn't devote much more than 10% of a 200 point band to fodder. Take a look at the top bands as mentioned in any of the tournament reports. What you'll see is about 20 points worth. In Dagni's championships band, for example, with 8 Warrior Skeletons, that's 24 points. Some of the other top bands had a bit less, not many had much, if any, more.
"Fodder" should be expected to more or less hold its own against opposing fodder, but again, only more or less, to take some ranged shots for the team and to harass opposing hitters or spellcasters. If you can base an Eye of Gruumsh or a Frenzied Berserker with an Orc Warrior, that's exactly what you want and they hate. Either the Eye or the FB can kill the Orc Warrior trivially, but that's the last thing they want to be forced to do. They would use up a very valuable activation and take 5 damage too. Any damage you accomplish with fodder is generally gravy. "Filler" is just in there to give you more activations and should be the cheapest you can get. You shouldn't expect too much from "filler" either.
In any case, you should try to max out your hitters and your "support" or "tech" pieces and only then put in the fodder or filler. Sometimes you do need to take out a more significant piece for activations, but you really want to fit in high-efficiency pieces whenever possible.
If you try to use 9-11 point minis as "fodder" you probably won't do well. As you've seen, those minis tend to be too weak to do the heavy damage you need and too expensive to fill the "fodder" role (the role I described above). Your fodder does "fodder" type jobs most effectively when it is cheap enough to sacrifice. If a mini costs you 10 points, it's harder to get 10 points worth of advantage from sacrificing it.
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Thenameless
Warlord
8502 Posts
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| | 10/05/2005 8:19 PM |
| Fodder should only be in the 3-5 point range.
Primary duty is to let your best pieces act later in the round if a juicy enemy target becomes exposed.
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psistef
Underboss
1572 Posts
| | 10/05/2005 8:36 PM |
| If it costs more than 5pts, it ain't fodder. It's support.
If you're using up to 11 "fodder" pieces, what is making up the rest of your band? That could be the real issue. | |
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lantern314
Sergeant
684 Posts
| | 10/05/2005 9:49 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by psistef
If it costs more than 5pts, it ain't fodder. It's support.
If you're using up to 11 "fodder" pieces, what is making up the rest of your band? That could be the real issue.
Um, I'm not using 11 "fodder" pieces. I'm using pieces with a point value of 11 as fodder. which leaves me with points for only a couple of big pieces and no mid-range. | |
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 10/05/2005 10:30 PM |
| Yeah that's your limitation then. As everyone else said fodder should be cheap. Most popular fodder are: Orc Warriors, Warrior Skeletons, Skeletal Archers, Man-At-Arms, Gnolls, Goblin Skirmishers, Xeph Warriors, Elf Warriors, Timber Wolves, Gnoll Skeletons, Azer Raiders, Hill Dwarf Warriors, Abyssal Maws and a few others I'm probably not mentioning.
Basically they are all 5 points or less and some are positively awesome for their points (Abyssal Maw I love you!) [:X]
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