Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss
1085 Posts
    
Southeast PA
 | | 12/07/2005 1:49 AM |
| With the influx of new players getting into the game, I thought I would help them out by giving them some warbands that they can put together relatively cheaply and still be competitive with at a tournament.
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Young Master (under $10 rare)
Githzerai Monk x4 (uncommon under $2)
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Orog (under $10 rare)
Chraal x3 (uncommon about $2)
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Tiefling (Harbinger uncommon about $4)
Red Samurai x3 (Dragoneye uncommon about $2)
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Dark Naga - uncommon $2.00
Duergar Champion x3 -uncommons $2.00 each
Helmed Horror -under $10 rare
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Ryld Argith - rare
Red Samurai x3 - uncommons
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Couatl - rare
Justice Archon x4 - uncommons
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Feel free to add to this thread of other warbands. Try to keep the cost to build it under $25. | |
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Istari
Skirmisher
28 Posts
| | 12/07/2005 3:54 AM |
| Dark Naga -$2.00
Duergar Champion x3 -$2.00 each
Helmed Horror -under $10 rare
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Goldmoon
Sergeant
986 Posts
| | 12/07/2005 6:09 AM |
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Half Orc Pally
Village Priest
3x JA
Xorn
2x Caravan Guard
Should be less than 25.
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 12/07/2005 6:48 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Chad the DragonLordofAiur
With the influx of new players getting into the game, I thought I would help them out by giving them some warbands that they can put together relatively cheaply and still be competitive with at a tournament.
Young Master (under $10 rare)
Githzerai Monk x4 (uncommon under $2)
filler
Orog (under $10 rare)
Chraal x3 (uncommon about $2)
filler
Tiefling (Harbinger uncommon about $4)
Red Samurai x3 (Dragoneye uncommon about $2)
filler
Feel free to add to this thread of other warbands. Try to keep the cost to build it under $25.
Just a suggestion:
The term "newbie" or "newb/n00b" to some has quite a pejorative connotation. It came from online gaming where these guys were considered not only inexperienced, but annoying and easy kills.
Not that we need to stress PC here or anything, but when I first started, I would have much preferred to call myself a new player or inexperienced as opposed to having someone call me a n00b.
Then again, maybe that's just my own insecurity at work. [:D]
Really good thread though. I particularly like how WoTC has made a conscious effort to shift the power level to uncommon creatures.
Let me also comment on Chad's third band. Any new players out there that don't have a Red Samurai yet, get one!! In fact, get three... You're unlikely to see a figure quite like it again, and it's become more rare as time goes on. It's amazing for its cost, so get it now while it's cheap. I can imagine that in 5-6 months, with all the new players coming into the game, the Red Samurai is going to be running in short supply. | |
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bshugg
Underboss
1832 Posts
| | 12/07/2005 7:30 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kiddoc
Let me also comment on Chad's third band. Any new players out there that don't have a Red Samurai yet, get one!! In fact, get three... You're unlikely to see a figure quite like it again, and it's become more rare as time goes on. It's amazing for its cost, so get it now while it's cheap. I can imagine that in 5-6 months, with all the new players coming into the game, the Red Samurai is going to be running in short supply.
Me and my 40+ Red Samurai thank you for your endorsement! A lot of 11 off ebay, buying a collection from a guy who had 14, plus my own really adds up. [:)]
Thanks to the new sets, there is an ability to make good bands using mostly uncommons. A type 2 Magic deck can often have 20-30 rares running 6-15$ a piece! A good DnD mini's army only needs 2 or three to be competitive.
My advice to new players: Focus on getting as many of the uncommon commanders as you can from the older sets. They are going to become more scarce as time goes on. Also uncommons that cost 30+ points will often have a useful impact on the game. Try to pick those up as singles as well. | |
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Korvax
Warrior
263 Posts
| | 12/07/2005 7:53 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kiddoc
Just a suggestion:
The term "newbie" or "newb/n00b" to some has quite a pejorative connotation. It came from online gaming where these guys were considered not only inexperienced, but annoying and easy kills.
Actually, the way I've always understood it, "n00b" is, indeed, quite pejorative, but "newbie" is usually accpetable as a nickname for new players. I've always found "newbie" used in the friendlier player's vocabularies, while "n00b" is usually used by those who mock.
To remain on-topic though, here's a band:
BPM (~8$)
MSD (~12$)
Gith Monk x2 (4$ total)
Gold Dwarf Soldier x2 (1$ total)
MaA (<1$)
Squeezes just over that 25$ limit; maybe try to find someone who would just give away one of his 20+ MaA?[)]
Not necessarily the most competitive band listed here, but fun to play because of all the options it opens up.
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ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
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Ack
Underboss
1476 Posts
| | 12/07/2005 8:48 AM |
| | Kiddoc has a good point - The toolkits were invaluable to me.. quite annoying to my wallet, but thats another matter. Perhaps some easy reference list in the toolkit posts for what pieces a new player should focus their spending on initially. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10425 Posts
United States
| | 12/07/2005 9:44 AM |
| If possible, I think new players should try to get most of the uncommons from all the pre-Aberrations sets. But, it's true that there are some that are more important than others. And, the toolkits do a fine job explaining what's really needed.
There are some pieces, though, like the Cleric of Nerull, that could shine in some formats given the right pieces. In 500-point play, giving Deathstrike to some pieces could make the difference in some games. There are certain pieces that a player might not want to risk being adjacent to a piece that's about to be eliminated and that also has this ability.
Generally, the Cleric of Nerull isn't a very robust piece, but, given the right new pieces, he could come back. Heck, I've thought about a Snig, Urthok, Cleric of Nerull band with a ton of Skirmishers that might be fun. If all those little twerps got one last strike in, and were all under command of all three commanders, they could turn out to be a lot more dangerous than usual. (Of course, the band itself would be terribly weak against a whole variety of other band types, but that's another issue.)
So, though the toolkits do a great job, I think that newer players should try to get pretty much all the uncommons that are out there, and especially the commanders.
Dave | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 12/07/2005 10:15 AM |
| In the same Red Sam spirit I also like
Flind Captain
Red Sam x3
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Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss
1085 Posts
Southeast PA
| | 12/07/2005 2:52 PM |
| @Kiddoc
Hey thanks for the friendly criticism - I should have thought a little more before using that term. Although it has been used as a friendly adjective it still can be taken as offensive. I have corrected the title and apologize to all the new players. Or should I say future champions.
@everyone else
One other bit of advice to those who don't have the old sets. I would suggest purchasing all of the commons and uncommons listed in the toolkits from the out of print sets. Then pick a faction that you enjoy playing the most and get some of the rares of that faction that you think you'd like to use. Don't buy them all until you are ready too. Stick with one band for a few games until you have an idea of what you like and dislike. Only then go out and buy some of the other rares. Don't spend a lot of money unless you can 1)afford it and 2)plan to stick with this game for a while. Play on vassal as much as you can if you want to try out some pieces that you don't own yet. You can find the stats of pieces you don't already own from other web sites like vesivus.com. | |
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3rd Place in 2007 Constructed World Championship
My combined DDM Skirmish record of all games ever played in all formats.
486 - 188 - 4 | |
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Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss
1085 Posts
Southeast PA
| | 12/07/2005 2:54 PM |
| | One other thing about this thread - I intended this to be a place to post bands that have been proven to be successful in tournaments. I don't want people just throwing out ideas for bands under $25 if they don't have a shot of winning consistently. | |
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3rd Place in 2007 Constructed World Championship
My combined DDM Skirmish record of all games ever played in all formats.
486 - 188 - 4 | |
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g3n
Warrior
184 Posts
| | 12/07/2005 6:06 PM |
| I'm a new player and your threads really interesting, after reading it and the articles about the aligments stereotypes in wizards.com i now have a really good idea of what i'm looking for.
You should add somewhere to get those minis in internet (besides of ebay) to help people like me.
Thanks, by the way. | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 12/07/2005 11:51 PM |
| I would say that giving factions and adding an approximate $ cost for building any said warband should be included as well so people can make informed decisions and even come up with some ideas of their own.
R~ | |
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g3n
Warrior
184 Posts
| | 12/08/2005 12:11 AM |
| | A quick question: with all these warbands in mind (useful commons and uncommons) what expansion should i focus on if i want to order a box of boosters? | |
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nycfarmkid
Underboss
1210 Posts
Wadsworth, OH
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blackblood
Sneak
95 Posts
| | 12/08/2005 12:58 AM |
| I recently ran a band dubbed "Poor Man's Quad" at my first constructed tourney it did fairly well:
Ryld Argith
Red Samurai x3
Gnoll (from Abberations) x5
Abyssal Maw x2
11 act 200 pts Should be able to purchase for under $20. | |
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 12/08/2005 2:21 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by g3n
A quick question: with all these warbands in mind (useful commons and uncommons) what expansion should i focus on if i want to order a box of boosters?
This is a good question.
It all depends on how many minis you have of what set. the price for booster box's at my store are the same for new sets. the just gone out of print set Aberrations is not 50 $'s more a box. if your like me and dont have that kind of money, then i suggest buying the new set thats due to go out of print soon (like what I am doing). That'd be deathknell. Oh the other hand if your looking to play more in compative play then i suggest maybe looking at underdark or angelfire instead.
that being said if you have very little and you dont care bout sets going out of print, just want some good mini's now, then buy underdark. that set has good commands uncommons and it has the largest amount of good rares in a set (i think) out at a good price. If you already have underdark, then get angelfire instead.
One more thing, if you got money to burn, then burn it on Giants of Legend, the price has gone up alot but its nothing compared to what it will be soon. and of corse Archfiends if your rich (about 900 $'s PER box).
hope that helps | |
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Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss
1085 Posts
Southeast PA
| | 12/08/2005 4:25 PM |
| I was just thinking about Derry's thread on 8 figure/maps vs. 12 figure/tiles. Since all of my own attention has been focused on 8 figures with maps I completely forgot that most new players will probably be playing under the 12figure/tiles rules. So the bands I suggested are geared toward 8 figure limits. Some of them can do well in 12 figure but may need more tweaking. I did however only post the core of each build so that the reader can decide on how best to fill it out for the format they are in.
Shall we focus this thread toward 8 figure bands or 12 figure? New players - please chime in with your thoughts so I can give you the best advice possible. | |
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3rd Place in 2007 Constructed World Championship
My combined DDM Skirmish record of all games ever played in all formats.
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Felagund
Sergeant
922 Posts
| | 12/08/2005 4:31 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Chad the DragonLordofAiur
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Orog (under $10 rare)
Chraal x3 (uncommon about $2)
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While it certainly meets the requirements of being cheap and competetive, I think this warband should probably come with a disclaimer. This is a resource for newer and inexperienced players, and imo, this warband would be fairly difficult for them to run effectively. I think that replacing two of the Chraal's with Duergar Champs will keep the cost down, as well as make it a little more forgiving to play. | |
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Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss
1085 Posts
Southeast PA
| | 12/08/2005 6:30 PM |
| @Felagund
It is true that a triple Chraal band is difficult to pull off if you don't know what you are doing. Of course running any of these bands is no guarantee of winning and matches. But we should warn new players to be careful when choosing to pilot this warband. | |
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 12/08/2005 6:43 PM |
| Boosters are not where you want to be looking for most of these warband ideas. Direct sale from a retailer that sells singles, an online site (Ebay) or another is probably your best bet. Unless you're looking for commons from particular available sets boosters will really only give you a lot of junk you might not need or want. If you RPG as well then they have more use of course. Just my two cents on the subject of boosters.
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 12/08/2005 7:07 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by robbdaman
Boosters are not where you want to be looking for most of these warband ideas.
Yeah, if you are just doing skirmish, purchasing singles is the way to go, particularly if you restirct yourself to a faction or two.
If you are doing RPG, want a wide variety of figures or have a lot of disposable income, then boosters (and cases of boosters) is the way to go ΖD] | | | |
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John05
Warrior
246 Posts
| | 12/08/2005 8:01 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Chad the DragonLordofAiur
I was just thinking about Derry's thread on 8 figure/maps vs. 12 figure/tiles. Since all of my own attention has been focused on 8 figures with maps I completely forgot that most new players will probably be playing under the 12figure/tiles rules. So the bands I suggested are geared toward 8 figure limits. Some of them can do well in 12 figure but may need more tweaking. I did however only post the core of each build so that the reader can decide on how best to fill it out for the format they are in.
Shall we focus this thread toward 8 figure bands or 12 figure? New players - please chime in with your thoughts so I can give you the best advice possible.
I'm relatively newbie. I've played several games already. I used to just collect them casually after grabbing a few from a sibling.
At first glance, I liked the 12 figure limit, but after learning about the accessibility and price of some figures [:0], I realized that the 8-figure limit seems to be more newbie friendly. I think after a few games most newbies would learn to prefer an 8-figure limit because it allows them to fit more non-fodder pieces. It's also more fast-paced. [^]
Just my 2 cents.
~John | |
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 12/08/2005 9:43 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by John05
quote:
Originally posted by Chad the DragonLordofAiur
I was just thinking about Derry's thread on 8 figure/maps vs. 12 figure/tiles. Since all of my own attention has been focused on 8 figures with maps I completely forgot that most new players will probably be playing under the 12figure/tiles rules. So the bands I suggested are geared toward 8 figure limits. Some of them can do well in 12 figure but may need more tweaking. I did however only post the core of each build so that the reader can decide on how best to fill it out for the format they are in.
Shall we focus this thread toward 8 figure bands or 12 figure? New players - please chime in with your thoughts so I can give you the best advice possible.
I'm relatively newbie. I've played several games already. I used to just collect them casually after grabbing a few from a sibling.
At first glance, I liked the 12 figure limit, but after learning about the accessibility and price of some figures [:0], I realized that the 8-figure limit seems to be more newbie friendly. I think after a few games most newbies would learn to prefer an 8-figure limit because it allows them to fit more non-fodder pieces. It's also more fast-paced. [^]
Just my 2 cents.
~John
Well John I been playing now off and on from october and iam just starting to get tournment threating (meaning people no longer know its almost a granteet win now). lol i went month and half WINLESS (never even won a round nothing) at the tournments. but but start to get more minis and more expecence and it goes along better.
Also depends on the newbi, I my self like the 8 limit, on the other hand my friend really dislikes it. he likes having lots of mini to run around with and he just started playing a not to long ago.
well even with that said i think your right tho, I do think the 8 fig limit will help more and be more newbie friendly.
On the matter of booster i disagree with not getting any. I do suggest getting a box, thats how i got so many good mini so fast along with lots of fodder, tradables and the like. you can then also build "JUNK" bands for fun with your friends, and that does seem to be more fun sometimes. | |
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BudLeiser
Warrior
218 Posts
| | 12/08/2005 9:59 PM |
| | If your going for tournament play skip the boosters otherwise you will end up with alot of wasted money on pieces you cant use or trade away. Wardrums would be worth buying for the maps and updated rulebook. On top of buying the pieces for your warband I suggest buying the best maps for you, and also printing out the FAQ, Errata, and Guys Clarifications to bring with you to tournaments. | |
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