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Originally posted by Kiddoc
I think Discorporating Dive only works against Evil Outsiders eh?

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Originally posted by Kumag

Has anybody tried using Lich + Dual Clay Golems against G.A.S. yet? Emp Magic Missile or Paralyze the Giths from afar (not that hard given the Gith's relatively low saves) while your Clays slowly advance for the kill. Just make sure the monks don't reach the Lich though.

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Originally posted by Fenris

How about kicking it oldskool: [)]

Large Red Dragon
Aspect of Lolth
Tiefling Captain
Wolf Skeleton
Orc Warrior / Warrior Skeleton x 4

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Originally posted by Dr.Cornelius

Surprised no one has mentioned the Marut:

Immune Stun (construct)
AC 25 (or 27 w/ buff)
+20 attack
30 damage: 1 hit for morale check, 2 to kill Gith Monk

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Originally posted by doubtofbuddha

I don't think 9 is a relatively low save.

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Originally posted by Dr.Cornelius

Surprised no one has mentioned the Marut:

Immune Stun (construct)
AC 25 (or 27 w/ buff)
+20 attack
30 damage: 1 hit for morale check, 2 to kill Gith Monk

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Originally posted by rhane
I don't see how you can protect the Necromancer from the Gith Monks, and the 4 Gith Monk variety can kill the Lich with their initial onslaught. The 3 Monk variety kills him with just 1 more "stunning" hit from any of them.

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Originally posted by ShadowLord XT

Can you use the Ghostly Consort to posses the Gith Monk before they use their auto hit?

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Originally posted by Fenris

How about kicking it oldskool: [)]

Large Red Dragon
Aspect of Lolth
Tiefling Captain
Wolf Skeleton
Orc Warrior / Warrior Skeleton x 4

Nice high saves, some autodamage, high attack bonuses.

Against the Coautl version of GAS, the breath weapon is neutered, but there are not enough autocrits to kill the Aspect or LRD. Against the 4-Gith version of GAS, the Aspect will die if all four monks autocrit her, but the breath weapon will likely force morale on 1-2 monks and/or the YM. The Tiefling will die in one autocrit, if there is one to spare -- which seems unlikely, given two other big targets. And there's always that Conceal roll.

As with the triple-FB band posted above, initiative in the round of contact will be huge, possibly determining the winner. Depending on the monk's morale saves, it might even be possible for the CE band to pull out a win after losing one of the main hitters. Though, that seems unlikely.

Overall I think the monks still have an advantage in this matchup, but I'm posting this build anyway, because it's interesting how old pieces can still be valuable against some new bands.

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Originally posted by Newtoncain

YOu could try this spoiler band.
GD x 5
KS x 2
Snig + sniglets

The speed 12 Green Dragons can out manuver the monks and get to the YM. You have 3 commanders, up to 8 MM spells and 11 activations.
It will probably lose to most other bands in assault, but if you play Triad, it really shines in CoP and Plunder.

Multiple Death/Blue slaads could work w/ their Chaos Hammers.

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Originally posted by Orion72

See? Lotsa ways to beat GAS, and you don't hafta build a hate band to do it.

In the end, I think what we'll find is not that GAS is an overpowering band that forces everyone to play it or play specifically against it. What we'll find is that LG FINALLY has a Tier 1 band that doesn't have a LSD as its base.

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Originally posted by doubtofbuddha

I slaughtered an Archmage build a few weekends ago using the Couatl variant of the Gith. This might have simply due to the player's lack of experience playing them though, as in the first round he moved into a position where I could double move my guys and base his Archmage (I did so) and I went ahead and did that with the two who had the speed to pull that off. The YM was placed within six and the next turn resulted in me putting sixty damage on him from auto crits, and a round later he was dead without getting off more than one spell.

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Originally posted by Wraith

I was thinking running this band against G.A.S:

Drow Sergeant
Orc Warrior x2
Large Deep Dragon
Drow Arcane Guard x2
Draegloth

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Surprised no one has mentioned the Marut:

Immune Stun (construct)
AC 25 (or 27 w/ buff)
+20 attack
30 damage: 1 hit for morale check, 2 to kill Gith Monk

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IIRC Marut is spell resist all so no buffing[:(]

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I was thinking running this band against G.A.S:

Drow Sergeant
Orc Warrior x2
Large Deep Dragon
Drow Arcane Guard x2
Draegloth

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I've played against a Drow band with LDD and 2 Arc Gds. Those cones aren't going to get you as far as you're hoping they will.

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Originally posted by rhane
That's weird...I had the same thing happen. He moved his Archmage out too far, and I based him with 2 monks. I won initiative, and auto-damaged and stunned his Archmage. He conceded the game after 2 rounds.

In any event, I think it would be very hard to protect the Archmage from the fury of the monks, but I do see some potential. You'd have to be very precise in movement, and get very lucky on som rolls (init, conceal, and stun saves), but I don't think the Archmage is an auto-loss to monks.

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Originally posted by Sirohk

I like 'old school'. How about:

LRD + good commander + hitter and foddder -

Ogre Raveger 38 pts
200 pts, 8 activations

Goal is to pin some enemies (Monks) between LRD and Ogre Raveger to make use of CFX for damage.

Ogre Raveger 38 pts

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Here's one idea: put the Lich's back against a wall then flank him with 2 Clay Golems. You'll limit access to the Lich down to one monk. Better yet, sandwich the Lich with Golems in a two-square corridor. Not much else you can do after this, however, and it's as boring as it can get.

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I don't see this as a particularly good way to win. Keep the Monks off of the Lich? Sure. Keep them from wiping out your fodder and winning on that and Assault/Victory points? Not so much. You could try and do it near the center of a map or something like that, but it is a long slow march with two Clay Golems.

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