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Originally posted by jgsugden

For 8 figure/200, I like:

2 X Frenzied
1 IM
1 Pyro
2 X Graycloak
2 X Wolf (Minion)
1 X Halfling Sneak (minion)

9 activations

This gives you two archers to pick off enemy weak activations, as well as a third short range archer in the sneak.

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Inspiring Marshall
2x FB
Elf Pyromancer
Satyr
Greycloak
2x Timber Wolf (assuming no speed 2)

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Originally posted by Lord_Raven

Inspiring Marshal
2x Frenzied Bezerker
Elf Pyromancer
Graycloak ranger + wolf
Barbarian Merc
Mialee Elf Wizard
Catfolk

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Originally posted by rhane

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Originally posted by Lord_Raven

Inspiring Marshal
2x Frenzied Bezerker
Elf Pyromancer
Graycloak ranger + wolf
Barbarian Merc
Mialee Elf Wizard
Catfolk

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Even if you make no other changes, I'd definitely drop Mialee for Devis. Since the FB's already have magic weapon, I'm assuming your plan was to use MW on the GCR. Over the course of a skirmish this could net you a little more damage from the GCR's if the opponent leads with DR figs. A nice augmentation, but certainly not game-breaking.

On the other hand, Devis has the potential to totally disrupt your opponent's strategy. For example, against 3-monk GAS, he has the potential to save you from a combined 90 points of damage - just by standing there.

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Originally posted by rhane

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Originally posted by Lord_Raven

Inspiring Marshal
2x Frenzied Bezerker
Elf Pyromancer
Graycloak ranger + wolf
Barbarian Merc
Mialee Elf Wizard
Catfolk

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Even if you make no other changes, I'd definitely drop Mialee for Devis. Since the FB's already have magic weapon, I'm assuming your plan was to use MW on the GCR. Over the course of a skirmish this could net you a little more damage from the GCR's if the opponent leads with DR figs. A nice augmentation, but certainly not game-breaking.

On the other hand, Devis has the potential to totally disrupt your opponent's strategy. For example, against 3-monk GAS, he has the potential to save you from a combined 90 points of damage - just by standing there.

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Ok so last night I tried a couple games vs. triple Monks with this modified build...

IM
2x FB
Rikka (swap for Pyro)
Devis (swap for Mialee)
GCR + Wolf
Barb Merc
Catfolk

I had one win and one loss... both games played on "Smoke"
1st game I got first turn tiles and sat a group including the FB's on a vic area and forced the Monks to come ingauge me - which allowed me optimum hits on pieces and forced checks - with the Smoke providing a block to line of sight - Young Master had to get within 6 to keep in command - This allowed me a chance to base and kill the YM and another Gith - I won by points...

2nd game was totally different - Rikka comes in on 2nd turn inits and immed- gets stunned by a waiting gith. (he won inits) on second turn i GMA to base his YM - which this time he kept deep in his start area along with some giths - so I move in to get 3 big swings in and almost everyone gets stunned and remains stunned - fails checks or makes checks and gets stunned again... many bad rolls! With that many full attacks - my players dropped like flies. He won on points.

his build was:

YM
3x Giths
Aasimar Fav Soul
Ember Human Monk
2x Sun Soul Inits

Lots of Damn Stuns in this build!
(biggest strength of this build is the fact that the opponent is constantly rolling stun checks - any time you can put that many chances to "fail a roll" up - you are bound to miss a few!)

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Originally posted by kgradert13

In that instance, I thinkj I would rather have Devis and 2 Wild Elf Raiders then Aramil and Xephs. Wild elves are faster, better damage and 15 fearless HPs. With the prevelance of GAS bands, Countersong trumps Ray of Enfeeblement.

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Originally posted by Lord_Raven

Inspiring Marshal
2x Frenzied Bezerker
Elf Pyromancer
Graycloak ranger + wolf
Barbarian Merc
Mialee Elf Wizard
Catfolk

9 acts / command = 4

So this is a build i've been using for a while and it has it's ups and downs. I'm looking to improve it in some way... but i've got brain lock. I've used several diff maps with it and can't settle on which map is the "Best" yet! Very frustrating... I like the Drow Outpost - and the Mines... but can't seem to nail down a perfect match.

I'm wondering if anyone else is even trying this against the Monks - Death Slaads - Helmed Horrors - and such that seem to be dominating right now. Or have most people put the girls to bed? I've seen 2x IM's - just don't feel that is better than the pyro threat? Pyro seems to keep the board spread out nicely and allow the girls to go picking out single targets better...

VERY OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS!!!

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Originally posted by rhane

Very good points on Mialee's magic missile! My typical build still has the single GCR and Elf Warrior that can give you that extra 5 damage, but the near-guaranteed damage from Mialee can be a big deal.

So, while Devis may not be the slam-dunk that I was advocating, I still prefer him. So many warbands gain so much efficiency from their Commander Effects, that opponents will disrupt their strategy to go after Devis. In Raven's example, his opponent used an 18 point Ember to deal with a 6 point Devis. Since Devis has 15 HP, I assume Ember was tied up for at least 2 rounds. Alot of warbands out there don't even have the Ember option, and either have to live with the Countersong, or send a 30+ point figure to kill Devis. Either way, you should gain a tactical advantage.

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Very good points on Mialee's magic missile! My typical build still has the single GCR and Elf Warrior that can give you that extra 5 damage, but the near-guaranteed damage from Mialee can be a big deal.

So, while Devis may not be the slam-dunk that I was advocating, I still prefer him. So many warbands gain so much efficiency from their Commander Effects, that opponents will disrupt their strategy to go after Devis. In Raven's example, his opponent used an 18 point Ember to deal with a 6 point Devis. Since Devis has 15 HP, I assume Ember was tied up for at least 2 rounds. Alot of warbands out there don't even have the Ember option, and either have to live with the Countersong, or send a 30+ point figure to kill Devis. Either way, you should gain a tactical advantage.

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Devis is real good, no doubt about it.

But pieces like GCR and elf warrior are somewhat unreliable to rely on to deal that 5 damage. The attack bonuses are far from great, even with the GCR, and is furthered hampered by cover and melee cover. A duergar champ with cover and in melee with your FB has a whooping AC of 28, and conceal 6 to boot. Very very difficult to hit it for 5 damage with your archers. And pieces like JA can just laugh away your archers' attacks.

There's nothing quite as reliable as spells in the game against anything without SR.

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Originally posted by Orion72


That's what the Satyr is there for. Pipes, Countersong and a bit of ranged support.

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Very good points on Mialee's magic missile! My typical build still has the single GCR and Elf Warrior that can give you that extra 5 damage, but the near-guaranteed damage from Mialee can be a big deal.

So, while Devis may not be the slam-dunk that I was advocating, I still prefer him. So many warbands gain so much efficiency from their Commander Effects, that opponents will disrupt their strategy to go after Devis. In Raven's example, his opponent used an 18 point Ember to deal with a 6 point Devis. Since Devis has 15 HP, I assume Ember was tied up for at least 2 rounds. Alot of warbands out there don't even have the Ember option, and either have to live with the Countersong, or send a 30+ point figure to kill Devis. Either way, you should gain a tactical advantage.

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Devis is real good, no doubt about it.

But pieces like GCR and elf warrior are somewhat unreliable to rely on to deal that 5 damage. The attack bonuses are far from great, even with the GCR, and is furthered hampered by cover and melee cover. A duergar champ with cover and in melee with your FB has a whooping AC of 28, and conceal 6 to boot. Very very difficult to hit it for 5 damage with your archers. And pieces like JA can just laugh away your archers' attacks.

There's nothing quite as reliable as spells in the game against anything without SR.

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Don't knock the GCR -
base attack +10/+10
after "Hide" he is +12/+12
after Mialee's MW and the IM's effect he's a +14/+14
This is nothing to sneeze at!

Now a magic missle is an auto hit - true but usually there are limits to how many you get in a game, also you can't crit on a MM - you have that chance on an Arrow...

I've played this band alot - GCR is still a great piece & of course you give it MW so you do hit DR!

And Elf Pyro has more than just the Fireball - auto damage @ range 6 is very nice - 2 shots @ 15 dmg and a few 5 pointers for auto damage are very solid... (he is way more than a one trick pony)

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Originally posted by Lord_Raven


Charles = CSchroder - YES you! I'll see you early tomorrow morning... 6am ish? 200pts - 8 fig - we roll for map!

Thanks C

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Originally posted by Lord_Raven

Did you look at the beginning of this Thread...
my original warband i've been playing is:

Inspiring Marshal
2x Frenzied Bezerker
Elf Pyromancer
Graycloak ranger + wolf
Barbarian Merc
Mialee Elf Wizard
Catfolk

This is a solid warband - i've only been looking to tweek it and get any new ideas... Mialee has been in there for several months.

I'm looking at several diff. options including:
27 - Wizard Tactician
15 - Satyr
31 - Rikka
26 - Crow Shaman
6 - Devis

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Charles = CSchroder - YES you! I'll see you early tomorrow morning... 6am ish? 200pts - 8 fig - we roll for map!

Thanks C

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Originally posted by DaemonKain

You clowns get up way too freaking early....

Yeah, I tried the satyr. I like him with the FBs... not certain of his synergy with the Pyro though. I think if you were to go with Rikka, he's a no brainer, but he sort of overlaps the pyro. He is a piece who only really serves as an activation and a single ranged shot early, so if you've eliminated your opponents stuff with a pyro, well, value from both of those is reduced. Of course, the nice thing is that he has countersong and a high enough speed to keep up with the FBs and actually keep them sheltered with it, compared to Devis.

I don't really know about this guy. He's solid, but maybe this isn't the band for him. Try it though: Your mileage may vary.

Oh, and check the online play forum - Dagni is organizing weekly Vassal tourneys. We should see quality play there.

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