Sacred Lye
Warrior
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 | | 12/20/2005 11:11 AM |
| What about tossing in a Halfing Wizard somewhere? Then you got an unlimited MM which gives ya the 5 points auto, plus 2 15 point auto's and 2 Magic weapon spells for support.
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Lord_Raven
Sergeant
391 Posts
| | 12/21/2005 7:32 AM |
| ok here is a build using him...
29 IM
52 FB
52 FB
31 Rikka
19 Halfling Wiz
10 MAC
4 Lidda Halfling Rouge
3 Xeph
Actually interesting - you would almost have to fight on the OutPost or Mines because the backside is so "Squishy"
Rikka has been more and more useful - her 20pts of healing really saved several games - keeping FB's alive for 1 or 2 rounds!
The Halfing is a strange point cost - kinda takes a big bite out of the pts you got left - in this build every point matters. But it does bring some good stuff to the table - the magic weapon is nice and the unlimited MM's are nice as well... and a range 6 scorching ray for 15! now we are talking.
Lidda was a great find - she actually dosen't suck here - she can get the MW from the halfing in the first round - she has hide and (sneak attack +5) so her ranged attack is: +4 normally - IM gives her a +1 - MW gives her another +1 - hide gives her another +2
= +8 (10 magic) damage... This is a solid option! Beats the hell out of a stupid elf warrior. Sure her movement is nurfed - but a GMA fixes that... she is a great 4 pt filler in this build!
Everyone knows the Medium Astral Construct and the Xeph - no need to goto any detail there. I still think it's a bit to squishy? Might have to give it a try though!
Thanks for making me look up the Halfling Wiz - that allowed me to find Lidda! Forgot about her.
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Lord_Raven
Sergeant
391 Posts
| | 12/21/2005 11:24 PM |
| Ok a more realistic build for the warband...
Base is: IM & 2x FB's = 133 pts
Rikka 31 pts (as explained above - she is very helpful in healing a FB and keeping it around a little longer... not to mention she can get behind enemy lines for that commander kill or base a spellcaster! The girl can hit.
Crow Shaman 26 pts - his speed and snake swiftness - allow him to stay with the "girls" alot better than the Wiz Tac - as well as the Snake Swift is a sure thing vs the Bigbys, which dosen't hit as often as needed!
So with 10 pts left I choose to run:
2x Xephs and Lidda... Sorry folks the girl is "Money"! Cat's grace makes her +9 for 10 damage.
How about some feedback?
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kgradert13
Sergeant
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| | 12/21/2005 11:43 PM |
| Lidda doesn't have Ranged Sneak attack though, so she's still only hitting for 5. She is still an excellent mini, but I prefer her in Drizzt bands.
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Lord_Raven
Sergeant
391 Posts
| | 12/22/2005 7:34 AM |
| Crap - just the fact that it was "Sneak Attack +5" and she has "Hide" of course I assumed it was "Any" Sneak Attack...
Forgot Harbinger pieces were not "Labeled" well.
(Hey Guy F. - can you Eratta Lidda - make her Sneak Attack apply to ANY attack? For me...)
Well thanks for the correction - so she is back to sucking and i now insert another Xeph or the crappy Elf Warrior as filler. Damn. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
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| | 12/22/2005 8:13 AM |
| Lord_Raven: are you finding the grant move action to be necessary? What I'm getting at is this. There are more and more fast bands these days, and, while I get the value of the GMA with two FBs, there are times these days when the opponent is just as fast as you are and the ability to use the GMA to its full effect is softening a little. If you haven't needed it as much, you could go with a less costly commander (admittedly, there aren't many in CG, but the Elf Ranger is one) and this would give you more points for playing around with tech pieces.
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Lord_Raven
Sergeant
391 Posts
| | 12/22/2005 3:26 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
Lord_Raven: are you finding the grant move action to be necessary? What I'm getting at is this. There are more and more fast bands these days, and, while I get the value of the GMA with two FBs, there are times these days when the opponent is just as fast as you are and the ability to use the GMA to its full effect is softening a little. If you haven't needed it as much, you could go with a less costly commander (admittedly, there aren't many in CG, but the Elf Ranger is one) and this would give you more points for playing around with tech pieces.
Dave
Hey Dave
I've noticed the best usage for GMA is to allow me to base my opp. minis, so both FB's get full attacks off... and if I hold it till second activation, I also get Rikka based to the commander or where every she needs to be, for her best attack!
I will try anything though - give me another option and possible build...
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Lord_Raven
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| | 12/23/2005 7:44 AM |
| Last night I played against a dual IM / dual FB + Crow Shaman warband.
I ran my warband build stated above with Rikka and Crow Shaman.
This was basicly the mirror matchup - so the question was how did Rikka perform vs the second IM?
I started Rikka off board and she entered @ the 2nd init... We played on the Perigren Queen's board (Epic) this board was wide open!
He used both GMA's during the first round - to get everyone basing my commander and FB's, I think this was a mistake, he came out a little too aggressive with the girls and overexpossed them. (IMHO)
Beginning of the second round Rikka came in and healed one of my FB's from 75hp down to 55hp this was great for my game... it forced him to use his unhurt FB to move in and swing on that same FB of mine - when she finally died - I got my free 30 pts on her!
The other FB cleaned up from there and Rikka served as a Flanker and Blocker for the IM's to keep them from getting around to the Crow Shaman and other FB - so when his second FB went down - he actually swung @ Rikka vs killing my second FB - another mistake I think. He hit Rikka with a 20 crit and took her down 60 pts - that did hurt her - but she made her save! his IM's focused on Rikka (only real target he could get to and tried to kill her - but his second IM missed!
Rikka swings and makes the IM MC and he fails - my crow shaman heals for 5 on the FB - allowing her to move and swing again and that makes his second IM fail... on the last round I heal FB for 5pts and step again with FB and kill his Crow Shaman - he failed his moral and Rikka took an AOO and finished the job!
My IM had 5 pts left
My FB had 5 pts left
Rikka had 5 pts left
I had one Xeph left
and my Crow was unharmed!
Rikka's heal and CS's heal are well worth their weight in gold!
In my playtesting I think Elf Pyro is too squishy to keep out on the board - thinks like Rikka's starting ability, and movments of Monks, Couatl effects, & dual GMA's - are all way too dangerous to allow an Elf Pyro to do his thing... Saves are way too good now-a-days as well.
Maybe he can return another day - but as for now i've moved him back into storage.
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