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Mrs. Rune
Warrior
230 Posts
    
 | | 01/29/2006 5:25 PM |
| | So, I've only ever played with Rune (and it has been very informal, sealed booster type play). Where do I start building a warband and where can I get experience playing? Any advice? | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 01/29/2006 5:36 PM |
| Well first you should try to get the starter and some boosters, to have pieces, then you see which ones are useful for your style of play, you choose Legal Evil and the collect good ones that work under your strategy (maybe go forward hitting everything, ranged, spell casting, etc) i recommend you that you find a close FLGS (Friendly Game Store) that sell the product and have place for gaming and well find some people to play different strategies with your pieces (i recommend you don´t trade your pieces at firste) you have to know your own pieces and then you see which would be your strategy and maybe you can complete some warbands buying singles in internet.
But the secret to learn the game is playing, loosing is a good teacher because makes your read the rules and be more aware of what your enemy is doing and what you´ll do next.
Good luck [:D] | |
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Mrs. Rune
Warrior
230 Posts
| | 01/29/2006 5:42 PM |
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Originally posted by Luisjoey
Well first you should try to get the starter and some boosters, to have pieces, then you see which ones are useful for your style of play, you choose Legal Evil and the collect good ones that work under your strategy (maybe go forward hitting everything, ranged, spell casting, etc) i recommend you that you find a close FLGS (Friendly Game Store) that sell the product and have place for gaming and well find some people to play different strategies with your pieces (i recommend you don´t trade your pieces at firste) you have to know your own pieces and then you see which would be your strategy and maybe you can complete some warbands buying singles in internet.
But the secret to learn the game is playing, loosing is a good teacher because makes your read the rules and be more aware of what your enemy is doing and what you´ll do next.
Good luck [:D]
Okay, I guess I should have mentioned, we have over 2k figures already [:D] So I am not starting cold...but still not very experienced. | |
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Ack
Underboss
1476 Posts
| | 01/29/2006 5:46 PM |
| Where to start? You already have. Learning the rules is the first step.
Where to start building warbands? I started by trying to build the bands I saw posted and didnt have anywhere near enough pieces to make.. so I started building around the cores and playing in local games to see what worked and what didnt.
Where to play? The Time Machine in Manchester has some players (Lestat from here plays there) and, of course, theres the Dragon Lair in West Hartford and obiviously TJs. That will get you games with people face to face locally and semi-regularly. Theres always Vassal if you have a computer and internet access (tho Im not sure how well it plays over dialup).
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Mrs. Rune
Warrior
230 Posts
| | 01/29/2006 6:04 PM |
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Originally posted by Ack
Theres always Vassal if you have a computer and internet access (tho Im not sure how well it plays over dialup).
Awww. you need a computer and internet access? Where am I gonna get that?[:D] Okay, end of fooling around.
I will have to check that out (I have DSL, so that shouldn't be a problem). As to face to face, once in a while for me at least isn't a problem, but finding a babysitter for the girls (4,2 and 1) all the time might be tough. I will check out Vassel and I definately plan on accompying Rune back to TJ's in April. I'll probably be joining you at the far tables! | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 01/29/2006 6:08 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. Rune
Okay, I guess I should have mentioned, we have over 2k figures already [:D] So I am not starting cold...but still not very experienced.
Funny! you own more than i do..!
So i recommend you to play, is the only way to get experience and put in play many minis you want, make lots of warbands and try them... sooner or later you realize which is your favorite strategy and what pieces are good or which ones no, everybody have their style, if you play and lose don´t worry keep trying and trying (with fun) then you´ll be winning tournaments and leagues! The practice make the master. don´t be afraid [:D] | |
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thepostman
Sneak
75 Posts
| | 01/29/2006 6:17 PM |
| | Printing out the spoiler lists by alignment from Merics website helped me alot when I first started. I was able to see all the stats for the alignment I wanted to play as opposed to looking through all the cards. | |
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Mrs. Rune
Warrior
230 Posts
| | 01/29/2006 6:23 PM |
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Originally posted by thepostman
Printing out the spoiler lists by alignment from Merics website helped me alot when I first started. I was able to see all the stats for the alignment I wanted to play as opposed to looking through all the cards.
Thanks. I have plenty of time once I get the monsters to sleep (which hopefully will be in the next 15 minutes or so) so I will take a look tonight. | |
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Mrs. Rune
Warrior
230 Posts
| | 01/29/2006 6:26 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Luisjoey
quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. Rune
Okay, I guess I should have mentioned, we have over 2k figures already [:D] So I am not starting cold...but still not very experienced.
Funny! you own more than i do..!
So i recommend you to play, is the only way to get experience and put in play many minis you want, make lots of warbands and try them... sooner or later you realize which is your favorite strategy and what pieces are good or which ones no, everybody have their style, if you play and lose don´t worry keep trying and trying (with fun) then you´ll be winning tournaments and leagues! The practice make the master. don´t be afraid [:D]
Well, they aren't exactually Mine per say, as much as they are Mr. Rune's. But since what's mine is mine and what's his is mine.... Actually I know he won't mind me using them as long as I leave the one's he wants to use alone. | |
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Mrs. Rune
Warrior
230 Posts
| | 01/29/2006 6:28 PM |
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Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
Jump in with your ideas and we'll help you refine them.
If/when you have time read through the links in the Ultimate Skirmish Reference thread stickied above.
I'll take a look at them tonight once the monsters are in bed. | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 01/29/2006 7:06 PM |
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Originally posted by Mrs. Rune
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Originally posted by Luisjoey
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Originally posted by Mrs. Rune
Okay, I guess I should have mentioned, we have over 2k figures already [:D] So I am not starting cold...but still not very experienced.
Funny! you own more than i do..!
So i recommend you to play, is the only way to get experience and put in play many minis you want, make lots of warbands and try them... sooner or later you realize which is your favorite strategy and what pieces are good or which ones no, everybody have their style, if you play and lose don´t worry keep trying and trying (with fun) then you´ll be winning tournaments and leagues! The practice make the master. don´t be afraid [:D]
Well, they aren't exactually Mine per say, as much as they are Mr. Rune's. But since what's mine is mine and what's his is mine.... Actually I know he won't mind me using them as long as I leave the one's he wants to use alone.
Nice couple that´s remembers me Mr and Mrs Smith but for miniatures [:D] who win the tournament??? a final game between lovers [:D] Funny!
But getting serious you got a real advantage if you have lots of miniatures because you have the posibility of choice your minis (most people that begin to play have to play with bad warbands of minis from their few first boosters, many people get out game because this too) Choose a theme or a strategy maybe elfs, or dragons and place a basic 1 Hitter, 1 or 2 Flanker, 1 nice commander with decent CFX (commander effect) and fillers, thats pretty basic and nice to begin, i suggest personaly the Legal Evil Warbands that are pretty balanced but most people should agree to try Legal Good that is pretty simple but works fine.
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doranur
Warrior
180 Posts
| | 01/29/2006 7:22 PM |
| i approached building starting war bands by finding one mini i liked, and trying to fit in as many as i could with support that synergyzed well with that mini. then add in a good commander, and see what the strengths of that mini you really like are.
for example, i like duergar champs. so i figure 3 - 4 of em in a warband is easily doable. then for commander i look through LE, i like high commander ratings so my main choices are raksasha, urthok, soth, and the human blackgaurd. urthok is kinda squishy, and soth is too expensive to fit 3 champs in, so raksasha or the blackgaurd. the raksasha has lots of good spells, but i really hate failing morale checks so i think i'll go with the blackgaurd instead.
so now i have the HBG and 3-4 champs... if i exclude 1 champ i can fit in another 40ish point LE peice, which i'll do since it'll make my warband a little more diverse. the efreeti can fly, do ranged auto damage, and hits pretty hard. the gauth can do ranged auto damage and paralyze, both are good in this range but i like the freeti better in this band. so now i have hbg, 3 champs, freeti, and like 13 points or so to finish up. since i have 5 figures already and i'm designing a band for an 8 figure enviroment, i'll fill the rest up with kobold miners since they are my current favorite LE fodder (goblin skirmishers being my other most significant choice).
final band is hbg, 3 d. champs, 1 efreeti, 3 kobold miners. the band seems like it has good hitting power, the champs are surivable, morale is not a problem (the miners save at +11 when in range of the hbg!), the miners give me early tile points and i can afford to lose them without giving my opponent anything.
as you get more advanced in warband building you start to analyze this band against common bands you have seen in the past and particular bands you have trouble with. in this case i feel this band matches up well against most bands i am worried about, with the exception of a triple slaad band (2 x death slaad, 1x blue slaad, tiefling, and save lowerers) which is a significantly bad matchup.
so anyways, thats just an example of how i build bands, and that teaches me about the strengths and weaknesses of particular pieces. maybe next time i play it i'll try it with the raksasha and see if it works any better. after a few times maybe i'll start to work on another figure, and learn it's strengths and weaknesses and see how i think it compares to the d. champ. then i'll consider if this mystery figure x works better with or without the d. champ in the same band.
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 01/29/2006 8:33 PM |
| Mrs. Rune:
First, great to meet you and Mr. on Saturday!
I would strongly urge you both to come to TJ's on March 4th for the release tournament for War Drums. At a tournament like that, where most people will be playing with those boosters for the first time, will be much more forgiving for mistakes, and crazy warbands.
There is nothing like diving in rather than just dipping your toes in the water. No faction restrictions, guaranteed commander, lots of odd combo's that you may never see again.
But it gets you more comfortable with the game, and gets you thinking about how to use some of those select pieces in warbands later on.
Pat E | |
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Runelord151
Underboss
1203 Posts
| | 01/29/2006 8:44 PM |
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Originally posted by PatEllis15
Mrs. Rune:
First, great to meet you and Mr. on Saturday!
I would strongly urge you both to come to TJ's on March 4th for the release tournament for War Drums. At a tournament like that, where most people will be playing with those boosters for the first time, will be much more forgiving for mistakes, and crazy warbands.
There is nothing like diving in rather than just dipping your toes in the water. No faction restrictions, guaranteed commander, lots of odd combo's that you may never see again.
But it gets you more comfortable with the game, and gets you thinking about how to use some of those select pieces in warbands later on.
Pat E
We would love to come on the 4th, but once again, Rune is working, but we should be able to come on April 1st (assuming we can get a babysitter). | | | |
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Mrs. Rune
Warrior
230 Posts
| | 01/29/2006 8:46 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Runelord151
quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
Mrs. Rune:
First, great to meet you and Mr. on Saturday!
I would strongly urge you both to come to TJ's on March 4th for the release tournament for War Drums. At a tournament like that, where most people will be playing with those boosters for the first time, will be much more forgiving for mistakes, and crazy warbands.
There is nothing like diving in rather than just dipping your toes in the water. No faction restrictions, guaranteed commander, lots of odd combo's that you may never see again.
But it gets you more comfortable with the game, and gets you thinking about how to use some of those select pieces in warbands later on.
Pat E
We would love to come on the 4th, but once again, Rune is working, but we should be able to come on April 1st (assuming we can get a babysitter).
Oops, I guess I should check to see who is logged first in I guess[:)]
Any way, it was nice to meet you too.
I think I will start by picking a fig I like (as one poster said) and try to build a band around that. And I plan on looking through some of the info in this section. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10425 Posts
United States
| | 01/29/2006 9:06 PM |
| Once upon a time, bshugg gave me some great advice for building warbands. I've since forgotten the exact details, but I've internalized the basic idea. I apologize to bshugg now if I'm giving away the biggest secret in the world, but I kinda doubt it because there are so many good players out there these days.
Here are some examples, you'll see how it works.
Chaotic Evil example
I start with a piece or three that I definitely want (say, a Large Red Dragon, or three Orc Champs, or two Death Slaads). Then, I fill my activations up to 8 with Orc Warriors. Now, I remove an Orc Warrior and put in a commander if I need one. Then I remove another Orc Warrior and put in another hitter, or a tech piece, or whatever. When I'm done, I' guaranteed to have my needed 8 activations, and at the worst, I have some Orc Warriors as support pieces.
Lawful Evil example
I start with a piece or three that I definitely want (say, two Helmed Horrors, or the Beholder). Then I add Snig. Then I fill my activations with Goblin Skirmishers or Kobold Miners or Warrior Skeletons. Now, repeat the same rule as above.
Chaotic Good example
Same start: pick a piece or three I really want, fill the band with Xeph Warriors (or, maybe, one Graycloak + Xeph Warriors). Switch a Xeph for a commander, then switch another Xeph for a tech piece or another hitter, etc.
Lawful Good example
Start with the usual, fill out the band with Man-at-Arms figures. Swap out one and add a commander. Go from there.
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Zenako
Commander
3468 Posts
| | 01/29/2006 10:44 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. Rune
quote:
Originally posted by Ack
Theres always Vassal if you have a computer and internet access (tho Im not sure how well it plays over dialup).
Awww. you need a computer and internet access? Where am I gonna get that?[:D] Okay, end of fooling around.
I will have to check that out (I have DSL, so that shouldn't be a problem). As to face to face, once in a while for me at least isn't a problem, but finding a babysitter for the girls (4,2 and 1) all the time might be tough. I will check out Vassel and I definately plan on accompying Rune back to TJ's in April. I'll probably be joining you at the far tables!
hope you don't mind if I leach off this thread and pick up some wisdom as well.... I could RPG or price these dudes in my sleep, but skirmish I'm in the same boat with you, so don't go jumping to that last table to quickly....it might already be full. | |
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Mrs. Rune
Warrior
230 Posts
| | 01/30/2006 3:42 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Zenako
quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. Rune
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Originally posted by Ack
Theres always Vassal if you have a computer and internet access (tho Im not sure how well it plays over dialup).
Awww. you need a computer and internet access? Where am I gonna get that?[:D] Okay, end of fooling around.
I will have to check that out (I have DSL, so that shouldn't be a problem). As to face to face, once in a while for me at least isn't a problem, but finding a babysitter for the girls (4,2 and 1) all the time might be tough. I will check out Vassel and I definately plan on accompying Rune back to TJ's in April. I'll probably be joining you at the far tables!
hope you don't mind if I leach off this thread and pick up some wisdom as well.... I could RPG or price these dudes in my sleep, but skirmish I'm in the same boat with you, so don't go jumping to that last table to quickly....it might already be full.
I have to jump on the bandwagon with the Mrs and Zenanko. I can identify the smallest imperfection on one of these buggers, paint them in no time flat, name off the MM and stats for RPG, but have very little skirmish experience.
Of course I already started to put together a warband.....[:D] based around a single fig.
Mrs. Rune is correct in saying that we have a ton of figs, however....as a RPG first guy, most are monsters and not all are that usable!
BTW - Loisjoey, the comment about Mrs and Mr Smith may have more truth than you know - No Mercy in minis battle!
(dang it - now I did it. We need his and her computers in this place!) | |
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Ack
Underboss
1476 Posts
| | 01/30/2006 8:43 PM |
| | Yeah - thats pretty funny. I was getting emails from you - but referring to you in the third person. wierd. | |
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smithmeg
Sergeant
508 Posts
| | 01/30/2006 9:01 PM |
| My best piece of advice for someone just begining to skirmish is that a 'Run up and hit them' type build is a good place to start. You can now do it in CG, LE or CE. It's fun to run - there's less stuff to remember and try to plan for, and it's usually more forgiving of mistakes than more complex bands (and usually even if you are badly beaten, you will have the satisfaction of having killed something). [}:)]
One thing I've found really useful in helping build warbands, is a list I've got with all the stats for each mini. Sorted by cost, and on one double sided sheet of paper for each faction. I can carry this round with me, and read it on the bus, or when eating my lunch or any other time when I've got nothing to do for a couple of minutes. (Though the concept of nothing to do might apply less to those with 3 little kids)[:)]. This lets me look at all the possibilities when I'm building warbands, and also have some idea of the capabilities of the opposing warband when I sit down to play.
Another thing that's already been mentioned is practice. Something that might work for you two, is to create 2 warbands, and play them, then swap warbands and play again, seeing what you've learnt from the first game - it makes it much easier facing a piece/warband in a competition if you've played it yourself first. | | | |
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Runelord151
Underboss
1203 Posts
| | 01/30/2006 10:43 PM |
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Originally posted by smithmeg
Something that might work for you two, is to create 2 warbands, and play them, then swap warbands and play again, seeing what you've learnt from the first game - it makes it much easier facing a piece/warband in a competition if you've played it yourself first.
This is actually something I was talking to Mrs Rune about this evening.
Of course, what did we do when the kids settled down? We watched 24 and I painted minis. We're hopeless[)]. | | | |
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Zenako
Commander
3468 Posts
| | 01/31/2006 12:59 PM |
| Good idea of the warbands against each other. Reminds me of years ago when the game TITAN first came out and some of us played that solo with mulitple factions, and then fought out many combats on the battle lands to learn the optimal placements for units on those constrained spaces. That experience led me to a comment I made that I still get reminded of 20 years later that "there's no tactics in the plains". My point was that without any terrain to consider, it was only a blank battlefield with nothing else to consider, no trees, or marsh, or hills etc that would affect combat options and results. No units got a benefit, but no units recieved penalties. Now DDM has two distinct aspects from what I have observed. Unit vs unit effectiveness and how deploying that effectiveness is affected by the underlying terrain and movement constraints that they impose.
I figure to start with blank map unit vs unit contests to get a feel for how much the various tweaks and bonuses actually affect the outcomes of battles, then move to the impact of maps.
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