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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
    
 | | 02/22/2006 9:06 PM |
| effects cover the WHOLE board? Seriously? No range listed? Most Commander Effects don't either. Otherwise, you just snark him in a corner and put the entire enemy force out-of-command. For 19 points? Heck, the 124-point Trumpet Archon's Herald ability only goes LoS.
Eliminate every opponant's commander rating for morale saves? The list goes on and on. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/22/2006 9:09 PM |
| 'this creature gains countersong' would most likley mean only 6 squares as per glossary defination of countersong.
The rest would be rangeless and darn nice. | |
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| | 02/22/2006 9:12 PM |
| | It's very interesting, it reminds me of the cfx from Star Wars actually which tend not to have the 6 square limit. His offense may be almost totally lacking, but he has decent defenense and hitpoints for his cost. A very nasty tech piece indeed. | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 9:13 PM |
| | Again, why? Darn nice? That would be stupid beyond compare. Heck, LG pre-Angelfire could win with a piece like that for 19 points. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/22/2006 9:22 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Gunthar
Again, why? Darn nice? That would be stupid beyond compare. Heck, LG pre-Angelfire could win with a piece like that for 19 points.
I`'m no longer sure just what you are debating. My original comments based on your stating that puts every one out of command everywhere. Which isnt happening.
What exactly is 'stupid beyound compare' about contersong only affecting 6 squares?
Darn nice means his abilities are well darn nice. Game breaking? I doubt it. AC 14 & 35 HP with save 4 will make it a lot easier to assassinate than most commanders.
I don't see any validity comparing it with another faction from more than two sets ago.
As to why people think it would effect the entire board.. well like the MSD morale. Easiest would be just to ask Guy. | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 9:34 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Bert the Troll
What exactly is 'stupid beyound compare' about contersong only affecting 6 squares?
Not 6 squares, but the whole board. There's a big difference between having a relatively expensive Silver Dragon running up and breathing and attacking as a "rallying force" and a level 4 Orc affecting EVERY opposing piece on the board in any way it chooses from some nook that can't be seen.. They will all be range 6. I see people in other threads saying how they can just hide the wardrummer and it doesn't need to get anywhere near combat. It's already as durable as the Tielfing, which also gets near combat as a Commander. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/22/2006 9:40 PM |
| But regardless of the other drumming beats range, countersong will only effect 6 squares around the drummer.
Not that -4 save or +4 save any where on the board isnt powerful and game/tactic changing. Not game breaking though.
Anyway, I asked guy to clarify here: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=592516 but I dont see it as being a very durable piece. It will be a sucker for a move 10 wolf to come and stun it.
I think it will be more a fun piece than Tier one. But maybe I just want to make a warband called 'beats for the beatsticks' | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1357 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 9:48 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Gunthar
quote:
Originally posted by Bert the Troll
What exactly is 'stupid beyound compare' about contersong only affecting 6 squares?
Not 6 squares, but the whole board. There's a big difference between having a relatively expensive Silver Dragon running up and breathing and attacking as a "rallying force" and a level 4 Orc affecting EVERY opposing piece on the board in any way it chooses from some nook that can't be seen.. They will all be range 6. I see people in other threads saying how they can just hide the wardrummer and it doesn't need to get anywhere near combat. It's already as durable as the Tielfing, which also gets near combat as a Commander.
It's just like the Harpy. There is precedent. | | | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/22/2006 9:52 PM |
| | Or mind flayers and a couple of dragons. | |
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Zyla
Underboss
1191 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 10:19 PM |
| | Counter Song specifically says it only effects up to 6 squares in its glossary discription, commander effects specifically say they only effect up to 6 squares in its description, the +4 save and -4 save from the orc Drummer dont say they have a range limitation, just like the MSD gives +2 moral save to every figure in your warband with no range limit. | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 10:29 PM |
| This is one of those items that make me second guess WotC's decision to not release the rulebook (until tonight?!) I agree that the Drummer looks incredible for his points. But if the glossary provides a similar restriction to 6 squares, then its a moot point. Instead we argue with each other...
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/22/2006 10:29 PM |
| (oops)
EDIT: Guy's answer is in here: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=592516 | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 11:05 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Bert the Troll
(oops)
EDIT: Guy's answer is in here: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=592516
But again, I'm waiting to see if teh new Glossary covers this. It just makes no sense otherwise. Why would anyone play anything but CE? | |
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Gristlemane
Sergeant
623 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 11:18 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Bert the Troll
Not that -4 save or +4 save any where on the board isnt powerful and game/tactic changing. Not game breaking though.
I am not sure. Vampire Aristocrat, Death Slaads, heck even traditional Orc Champions get a huge boost from this. It looks like a must play piece for CE. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/22/2006 11:45 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Gristlemane
quote:
Originally posted by Bert the Troll
Not that -4 save or +4 save any where on the board isnt powerful and game/tactic changing. Not game breaking though.
I am not sure. Vampire Aristocrat, Death Slaads, heck even traditional Orc Champions get a huge boost from this. It looks like a must play piece for CE.
Ohhhh vampire Aristocrat will be nasty with it.
I definitely think it's a game changing mini. But it can be dealt with. Save:4 is going to be a big weakness. It can't be beating if it is stunned, paralyzed, or otherwise messed up. And I think a single timber wolf will be able to get up to it quick enough (20 move it could go the long way), stun and then hack it's low ac to bits. Tile grabbers might have to factor in drummer killing as an alternative use.
MSD/LSD, divine protection will also help. And good saves become even more important.
It will be scarey in pairs. | |
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Gristlemane
Sergeant
623 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 12:01 AM |
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Originally posted by Bert the Troll
But it can be dealt with. Save:4 is going to be a big weakness. It can't be beating if it is stunned, paralyzed, or otherwise messed up. And I think a single timber wolf will be able to get up to it quick enough (20 move it could go the long way), stun and then hack it's low ac to bits.
I don't think a timber wolf can kill it very fast. If you move something costly to take it out you've now got several Orc Champions attacking your beaters, which are now saving at -4. You'll be able to kill or route the Wardrummer in a turn or two, but by then you will have lost the game.
This is just really, really nasty. I can't see myself playing any Chaotic Evil warband without it. At least Gith Monks are not longer the undeniable master of the DDM world. | |
It's deja vu all over again. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5082 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 02/23/2006 12:04 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Bert the Troll
quote:
Originally posted by Gristlemane
quote:
Originally posted by Bert the Troll
Not that -4 save or +4 save any where on the board isnt powerful and game/tactic changing. Not game breaking though.
I am not sure. Vampire Aristocrat, Death Slaads, heck even traditional Orc Champions get a huge boost from this. It looks like a must play piece for CE.
Ohhhh vampire Aristocrat will be nasty with it.
I definitely think it's a game changing mini. But it can be dealt with. Save:4 is going to be a big weakness. It can't be beating if it is stunned, paralyzed, or otherwise messed up. And I think a single timber wolf will be able to get up to it quick enough (20 move it could go the long way), stun and then hack it's low ac to bits. Tile grabbers might have to factor in drummer killing as an alternative use.
MSD/LSD, divine protection will also help. And good saves become even more important.
It will be scarey in pairs.
Exactly. It'll be scarey in pairs much like the Hoarde Zombies (if I'm reading that one right you'll need a dozen or so of those just in case). The Wardrummer's ability is potent but definitely not gamebreaking. It looks like we'll definitely be seeing more CE Quad bands in tourneys in the near future. I'll have to dust off my Orc Champs [}:)] | |
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Balduran I
Sergeant
404 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 12:21 AM |
| Just to point out that 2 would be almost 20% of your warband devoted to tech that raised/lowered saves by 4. That's a lot of points devoted to something that neither directly gains victory points nor kills the enemy, and is of situational benefit at best. Even 10% put into that type of tech is something that should be given a lot of thought.
Conceptually it's obvious why folks are going ga-ga. The real world of game play could be very different. | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1357 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 12:28 AM |
| | Yeah, at least it's not costed low enough for the Orog Warlord to have it as a minion. | | | |
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DrX
Sergeant
408 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 12:31 AM |
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I think Rikka is going to have a new favorite target... | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/23/2006 1:06 AM |
| With no move=2 when out of command, a lot of pieces will be able to catch up to it's hidey hole. And it will either sit there and take it, or stop drumming to strike back.
You don't need anything costly to take it out imo. Something cheap to stun it so it cant play, or to nibble away at it.
There's a lot of choices for under 20pts that will only take a few swings to finnish it.
Or go the other way and buff yourself.
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At least Gith Monks are not longer the undeniable master of the DDM world.
Everything is in flux :) as it should be.
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Thenameless
Warlord
11412 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 02/23/2006 2:27 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by DrX
I think Rikka is going to have a new favorite target...
Good point. | |
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Warlord
11412 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 02/23/2006 2:29 AM |
| | The Orc Wardrummer is also a big help to the Balor. You actually get a much better chance to enslave something with him helping out. | |
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Zyla
Underboss
1191 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 2:47 AM |
| | Aye, the war drummer is basically a cursed spirit+trog that effects every enemy figure, helping out the Balor alot. | |
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Wish
Sergeant
399 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 3:33 AM |
| | I don't see it as gamebreaking. Popular units like the marut, frenzied berserker, and helmed horror owe a big part of thier appeal to fearless. Against a helmed horror band, a wardrummer is 19 points of not so much. It's nice tech, and moves CE up in the ranks. I think it will definitely see play (especially in dual death slaad bands), but probably won't be overwhelming. Only time will tell though. | | | |
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Gristlemane
Sergeant
623 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 4:09 AM |
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Originally posted by Wish
Popular units like the marut, frenzied berserker, and helmed horror owe a big part of thier appeal to fearless. Against a helmed horror band, a wardrummer is 19 points of not so much.
But that is the beauty of the wardrummer. Against Fearless hitters you can choose to essentially make your own creatures fearless with the save bonus. | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 4:13 AM |
| A lot of ppl are talking about having multiple wardrummers but I dont think it would possible to use two different abilities. Since the ability is the same name, no matter what you choose, it wouldnt "stack". Like wether you picked -4 to morale saves with one and countersong with the other... both abilities are called Drumbeat, so they dont stack and you can't have two going at the same time.
This is my initial reaction, Guy would be the ultimate judge, so who knows. I like the peice, but i dont see it as game breaking as what you would think. | |
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LeClaire
Warrior
225 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 6:26 AM |
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Originally posted by Gunthar
effects cover the WHOLE board? Seriously? No range listed? Most Commander Effects don't either. Otherwise, you just snark him in a corner and put the entire enemy force out-of-command.
It's Countersong, not Improved Countersong. I can't seem to load Guy's clarification thread, so could well be wrong. But as others have pointed out, Countersong has a listed range of 6, even if the actual card doesn't stipulate it. If it was meant to affect the entire board (a significantly more powerful option that I'm not a fan of), then I'd assume it would state so on the card. | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 7:33 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by LeClaire
quote:
Originally posted by Gunthar
effects cover the WHOLE board? Seriously? No range listed? Most Commander Effects don't either. Otherwise, you just snark him in a corner and put the entire enemy force out-of-command.
It's Countersong, not Improved Countersong. I can't seem to load Guy's clarification thread, so could well be wrong. But as others have pointed out, Countersong has a listed range of 6, even if the actual card doesn't stipulate it. If it was meant to affect the entire board (a significantly more powerful option that I'm not a fan of), then I'd assume it would state so on the card.
Again, though, the new Glossary should cover this, or the ad didn't list the range. The Aasimar Favored Soul and Lantern Bearer also have "Illuminator", which also is range 6. The Standard Bearer's "Relay Orders" only extends the (yes established by Glossary) Commander Effects 6 spaces and requires LoS to relay them from other commander. And these are LG-type abilities. | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 7:42 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Gristlemane
You'll be able to kill or route the Wardrummer in a turn or two, but by then you will have lost the game.
And you have to kill it, and not with a Timber Wolf. The Wardrummer is Fearless. | |
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
525 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 8:11 AM |
| @Gunthar
I doubt the Wardrummer is gonna have a big an impact as you think IMHO. It'll make a hell of a splash and there will be ripples but lets not forget that Wardrums effectively helps out the other factions too. Hey at least it's not a drider. (I miss me Drider Scor)
Also, one lone Wardrummer, can only choose one 'effect' per round - Countersong, +4 to save, -4 to enemy morale. BUT who's to say you'll win initz and be able to capitalize on the choice you've picked? That and let's not forget the maps(Teleportation Map anyone?) and how future tactics (Someone mentioned Rikka) will adapt to mute or playdown the wardrummer's ability.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10425 Posts
United States
| | 02/23/2006 8:38 AM |
| So, suppose someone puts this together
Vampire Aristocrat
Orc Wardrummer
Cursed Spirit
Ogre Ravager
Troglodyte
You've got room for a big hitter, and some smaller hitters (CE has lots of smaller hitters). You have lots of ways of getting your opponent to have crappy saves, so you have lots of ways to kill off an opponent's piece as soon as it hits half hit points.
But...
If the morale save succeeds (and with lots of commander ratings above 4, there are plenty of chances at this), or if the piece is fearless, then it's wasted.
And...
This requires getting the Vampire Aristocrat up to within 6 squares of the front line. His AC is good but not great, and his hit points are fairly low. It's a risky play. What have people been calling this? High variance?
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Aramus
Warrior
181 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 10:54 AM |
| | You'll prolly see a lot of him esp the first few months after WDs. I see dual Wardrummers being a possibilty in epic play | |
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Aramus
Warrior
181 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 10:54 AM |
| | You'll prolly see a lot of him esp the first few months after WDs. I see dual Wardrummers being a possibilty in epic play | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 11:23 AM |
| Hmm...
Eye of Gruumsh x3
Orc Champion
Orc Wardrummer
Orc Warrior x3
Wardrummer is cheaper then a Tiefling, and with that many Eyes, the CfX for the Tiefling is useless....
So you get 1 better morale saves with drummer
I like it. | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 11:30 AM |
| | The only problem with that is you are going to only have a +1 to initiative checks. Which is going to hurt alot, especially with map choice. | |
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Draxle
Sneak
127 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 1:46 PM |
| I think the Wardrummer is going to be a great piece for the CE bands. First, all of the abilites have different names;
Countersong Drumbeat
Resistance Drumbeat
Intimidating Drumbeat
So I believe you will be able to play 2 Wardrumers if you want to stack two of the three effects.
The reasons I think the Wardrummer is going to be a great piece for CE is it's Fearless and 35 hps. What is that Timber wolf really going to do? It will have a 50/50 chance to hit a figure that it needs to hit 7 times to kill. Well, most of my matches are long over by the 7th round and thats if it hits everytime. You are able to change out the ability each round. Or you could have each ability running for 38 pts (Although I don't see that as a good use of 38 pts.) Even with the Speed2 rule gone, does a player really want to send a hitter over to kill a Wardrummer that is hiding in some whole on the other side of the map? Also the Wardrummer can't attack while it drums but who says it can't move. With a Speed6 it can run the attacker around a bit and maybe stay alive a round or two longer if a hitter is comming after it.
It's going to be a very solid piece, I don't think it's going to be game breaking and people will have to learn how to use it. But even against fearless units its not unless. You can still pump your level 10 units up with +4 save and with a half way decent commander +3/4 you are going to be near fearless yourself. Or in a pinch, you can use it as a countersong tech piece. It's a tech piece but it's a tough (35 Fearless Hps) tech piece that just can't be killed with a magic missile or warrior skeleton. | |
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ChristopherGroves
Warlord
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Galinar
Sneak
122 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 2:08 PM |
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Originally posted by kgradert13
Hmm...
Eye of Gruumsh x3
Orc Champion
Orc Wardrummer
Orc Warrior x3
Another possibility:
Tiefling Captin 21
Orc Wardrummer 19
Orc Champion x4 156
Orc Warrior 3 =199 7 activations
Orc Champs with +15 to Moral saves!
Too bad Obould, Orc Champs x3, and Wardrummer add up to 201.
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/23/2006 2:59 PM |
| The cost of using this figure:
1 nonviolent figure towards the 8 figure limit
19 points
Any protection you need to devote to it
It has lousy AC, and a lousy level, and is incredibly slow (it has speed 6, but can't drum unless it moves only 6); although it has 35 fearless hitpoints.
Other things to consider:
Traditional CE beaters have taken some big hits recently. Average ACs have climbed, and there will always be the justice archon to consider. Independent of these guys CE quad beaters is a much weaker warband than in the days of Archfiends and Giants of Legend.
That cost of 19 really hurts CE, forcing them to down grade their quad hitters substantially. It is also a lot of nonoffensive points ... points you can give a foe, that can't directly generate points for your side. | |
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