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Originally posted by Zyla

If you dont have a commander heres what will usually happen:


The Orc Wardrummer is screwed on the Teleport map as it has no place to hide.


Out of command figures will be taken +5 more damage from certain figures, mostly ones with executioners blade or the new Commander Effect in wardrums.

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Originally posted by True_Blue

A lot of ppl are talking about having multiple wardrummers but I dont think it would possible to use two different abilities. Since the ability is the same name, no matter what you choose, it wouldnt "stack". Like wether you picked -4 to morale saves with one and countersong with the other... both abilities are called Drumbeat, so they dont stack and you can't have two going at the same time.

This is my initial reaction, Guy would be the ultimate judge, so who knows. I like the peice, but i dont see it as game breaking as what you would think.

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Glossary stacking: In general, spells and special abilities are cumulative (stack) with each other. However, some exceptions exist. No ongoing effect produced by a spell or special ability stacks with itself. It’s okay for multiple spells to each grant melee damage +5 to a creature, but a creature can’t gain melee damage +10 from two castings of bull’s strength...

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Originally posted by kgradert13

as opposed to the 21 pts of non-offensive capabilities that a Tiefling brings to the table?

If you can fit a quad beater with the tiefling, you can fit this in your band instead of the tiefling. You lose a little on initiative, but that is it. He's no squishier then the Tiefling, and you can keep him completely hidden if you want. His 35 fearless hps makes up for a lack of conceal comparatively speaking.

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Originally posted by jgsugden

The cost of using this figure:

1 nonviolent figure towards the 8 figure limit
19 points
Any protection you need to devote to it

It has lousy AC, and a lousy level, and is incredibly slow (it has speed 6, but can't drum unless it moves only 6); although it has 35 fearless hitpoints.

Other things to consider:

Traditional CE beaters have taken some big hits recently. Average ACs have climbed, and there will always be the justice archon to consider. Independent of these guys CE quad beaters is a much weaker warband than in the days of Archfiends and Giants of Legend.

That cost of 19 really hurts CE, forcing them to down grade their quad hitters substantially. It is also a lot of nonoffensive points ... points you can give a foe, that can't directly generate points for your side.

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Originally posted by Mortusbard

It is essentially a strategy game. Well your oppenet used 19 point for tech. No offense to speak of.

Here is an Idea Kill It

Rikka = dead drummer
Lonstrider Ranger = dead drummer
Celsetial Pegusus = Dead Drummer

These are three Pieces off the top of my head.

I understand why you might not like the effect. But the save +/- isn't going to matter much in turn 1.

He/She has to move the drummer and either hide it or protect it.

Turn two any fast piece should be in potenetial basing range.
Base it kill it collect you VP's move to a victory area collect 10 more, hunt fodder or help in the main effort.

People will have to start building bands with tacticle flexibility.

I like the piece love countersong and I will use it. But I wont park it in a hidy hole.

I'm going to bring him with Ryld !

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Originally posted by Mortusbard

It is essentially a strategy game. Well your oppenet used 19 point for tech. No offense to speak of.

Here is an Idea Kill It

Rikka = dead drummer
Lonstrider Ranger = dead drummer
Celsetial Pegusus = Dead Drummer

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Originally posted by Balrog

guy has already clarified the range isue on the Wotc boards

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