neilasaurus
Sneak
134 Posts
    
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| My vote is for Snig, Worg Rider. Sounded so cool in preview, but looks like he should have stayed on foot.
As for most What the Nine Hells were they thinking? Has to be Inspired Lieutenant. +4 to hit for Blues? Why would I want that? Doesn't Urthok already do that? Although I did once kill a Gith Monk with a Blue's melee attack (it was paralyzed). Even the Mind Flayers don't have Psionics! I wonder if they actually have some LE Psionic figs planned for say War of Dragon Queen. Gem Dragons maybe? Still why not release the Inspired Lieutenant in a later set? | |
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psistef
Underboss
1572 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 10:16 PM |
| I would say it's a safe bet that there's some LE psionics coming down the pike eventually.
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 10:28 PM |
| The Inspired Lieutenant is currently tied with the Death Slaad for Most Useless Commander Effect, that's true. But it eventually will get more followers.
The most disappointing mini for me is the Large Bronze Dragon. It's stunning, I surely want one or two for collecting and RPG, but it's stats suck. Dragons are still getting the shaft. I hope this is the LAST nerfed dragon, and that by the time we see WotDQ the dragons will at least be accurately costed. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5082 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 02/23/2006 1:18 AM |
| Warforged Captain. It's a warforged. It's the fourth warforged. Not enough HP. Special abilities are mediocre. All around meh. [:(]
I think the ground-bound Snig will see more action that the mounted Snig in tournaments. Just a guess but the much higher cost wasn't offset by enough IMO. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 1:42 AM |
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Originally posted by taliesin
The Inspired Lieutenant is currently tied with the Death Slaad for Most Useless Commander Effect, that's true. But it eventually will get more followers.
The most disappointing mini for me is the Large Bronze Dragon. It's stunning, I surely want one or two for collecting and RPG, but it's stats suck. Dragons are still getting the shaft. I hope this is the LAST nerfed dragon, and that by the time we see WotDQ the dragons will at least be accurately costed.
Inspiring Lt. isn't even close to the most useless CE. It is offering +2 to hit for *everyone* after all.
By definition, stuff like the CoY's CE would have to be worse, since it is +2 against only a subset of enemies. I think the Elf Ranger is worse too.
That said I think the piece I'm actually most disappointed in is also the new Snig. He combines skirmish disapppointment with 'dammit why is the worg large' RPG disappointment. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
11419 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 02/23/2006 2:20 AM |
| | The Chimera sounds like it's not very good for skirmish. Considering how sought after it will be for RPG, it's sad that it won't be a competitive mini. | |
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MerricB
Underboss
2353 Posts
Australia
| | 02/23/2006 2:25 AM |
| Skeletal Legionarre.
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Zyla
Underboss
1191 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 2:52 AM |
| The reason the Bronze is like that is because its LG, and its not a silver or a gold dragon (the large bronze has to be weaker then the large silver, just like the large gold has to be better then the large silver).
LG dragons in general dont have as high attack bonuses as CE, CG, or LE | |
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 4:07 AM |
| The LSD's attack bonuses are very high compared to all other dragons. The Large Bronze in RPG is not as strong as a juvenille or young adult LSD but it's attacks aren't that low even if this new dragon is half the cost overall. It's okay but still not competatively costed for play like the LSD or LRD. It's not even as good as the LBD is which is somewhat disappointing.
Still I think the new Snig is way overcosted for his abilities and is kinda on top of the list of sucky. Though the Skeletal Legionaire is pretty lame. War Duke is far from impressive as well. For his points he's pretty weak in the offense department. Methodical Killer is far too complex to use often too.
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orcdoubleax
Sergeant
694 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 5:15 AM |
| | I really wanted the bugbear to be useful. They are my favorite goblnoid race. | |
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roonechr
Sergeant
604 Posts
Kansas City, MO
| | 02/23/2006 11:10 AM |
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Though the Skeletal Legionaire is pretty lame.
What exactly do you want for a 4 point common? He is almost certainly as good as the Duergar Warrior and undeniably better than the Skeleton. | |
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memphisto
Warrior
213 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 11:32 AM |
| Snig's got my vote.
Although not useless, the Hag is also a bit disapointing as well. 40-something points for a ray of enfeeblement is well below average. Like the roper in the last set, I really wanted the Hag to be a good piece. | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 11:34 AM |
| | Warforged Barbarian. If only it was 5 points cheaper.... | |
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Felagund
Sergeant
922 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 11:39 AM |
| | Lion of Talisid. 51 points for a Commander 3 with a mediocre CE and only 50 HP. All he really has going for him is Flame Strike, which isn't worth it, IMO. | |
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 11:53 AM |
| Yeah Lion of Talisid is rather cruddy for a Beastmaster that can't even control a Dire Bear. It's not even half as cool as the Greenfang. It's cost comes from the Flame Strike spell which while nice doesn't relate well enough to the figure's cost.
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jooquase
Warrior
272 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 12:07 PM |
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Originally posted by MerricB
Skeletal Legionarre.
Cheers!
not realy, its the cheapest mini in the set, you will want to have one or two at the sealed events.
My vote goes for Snig as well. | |
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LeClaire
Warrior
225 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 12:17 PM |
| | The new 3 point fodder piece. Lots of mid -> high -> very high -> epic pieces, but not a lot of love for the little man, the dogface, the grunt. Someone to stand there, out front, daring Lord Soth to toss of his Abyssal Blast, you know; giving that big bad man the finger. Lets hear it for the hapless shlub that stands around on a victory tile from round 2 onward, scratching his butt and wondering what all the yelling is about! | |
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NightMoor
Sergeant
448 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 12:35 PM |
| I'd say the mounted Snig is a pretty big letdown. And the Arcane Ballista as well - man, how that thing will one shot off and that's it. Why did they have to give it sooooo many drawbacks(Slow Ranged! Can only be fired by wizards! No Melee or close-quarters ability to defend itself!). I'm sure people will use it for kicks, but as a competitive unit it's downright horrible.
The Night Hag is also a terrible rare that definitely should have been an uncommon. God forbid you pull that thing out of a $12 booster - good luck trading it off or getting more than $3 bucks for it... | |
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Sacred Lye
Warrior
184 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 12:38 PM |
| I am dissapointed that, once again, Chaotic Good gets the shaft. They got to come out with something for Chaotic good again.
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 12:40 PM |
| | Excuse me? No faction "got the shaft" in this set. Certain factions got more help than others, but every. single. faction. got some good, usable new pieces. | |
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One_Wing
Sergeant
494 Posts
London
| | 02/23/2006 12:43 PM |
| My vote has to go to Wemic Barbarian. There is just no concievable way ever I would take ot over Rask chainfighter, let alone the almighty FB. I mean it has a spear and is large, which really should tick the boxes for melee reach 2 at least. Snig comes close behind followed by the WF barb.
The Night Hag is quite a popular RPG piece, so should go quite high (just look at Roper).
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One_Wing
Sergeant
494 Posts
London
| | 02/23/2006 12:43 PM |
| My vote has to go to Wemic Barbarian. There is just no concievable way ever I would take ot over Rask chainfighter, let alone the almighty FB. I mean it has a spear and is large, which really should tick the boxes for melee reach 2 at least. Snig comes close behind followed by the WF barb.
The Night Hag is quite a popular RPG piece, so should go quite high (just look at Roper).
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roonechr
Sergeant
604 Posts
Kansas City, MO
| | 02/23/2006 12:58 PM |
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I mean it has a spear and is large, which really should tick the boxes for melee reach 2 at least.
This is actually not the case. Like a Centaur, a Wemic's human sized upper body does not grant it reach despite its size. It would have to use a longspear to get reach and apparently this one did not choose to do so. | |
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Sacred Lye
Warrior
184 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 1:02 PM |
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Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
Excuse me? No faction "got the shaft" in this set. Certain factions got more help than others, but every. single. faction. got some good, usable new pieces.
Then we must agree to dissagree. We have some usable pieces, but nothing that really puts CG back on the playing field. I do like the stealheart archer, but what I like and what wins touneys are not the same.
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LeClaire
Warrior
225 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 1:03 PM |
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Originally posted by roonechr
... It would have to use a longspear to get reach and apparently this one did not choose to do so.
Maybe he didn't want to give up the ability to attack adjacent foes? Not everyone has a spare feat to blow on exotic weapon (spiked chain). [:)] | |
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roonechr
Sergeant
604 Posts
Kansas City, MO
| | 02/23/2006 1:11 PM |
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Maybe he didn't want to give up the ability to attack adjacent foes? Not everyone has a spare feat to blow on exotic weapon (spiked chain).
I would guess that it had more to do with Skirmish considerations than RPG feat availability as other minis with longspears (Elf Spearguard, Royal Guard) gain reach and do not lose the ability to attack adjacent foes in Skirmish. Perhaps they simply didn’t want to increase his cost. | |
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LeClaire
Warrior
225 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 1:18 PM |
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Originally posted by roonechr
I would guess that it had more to do with Skirmish considerations than RPG feat availability
Yes, yes. Most sorry. I was indeed referring to the RPG aspects of it. This is clearly the wrong forum for this. My apologies. I was simply responding to your "longspear" reference in what I had intended as a joking manner... as I mistook you to be in. Mia culpa. Shan't happen again. | |
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Felagund
Sergeant
922 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 1:19 PM |
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Originally posted by Sacred Lye
Then we must agree to dissagree. We have some usable pieces, but nothing that really puts CG back on the playing field. I do like the stealheart archer, but what I like and what wins touneys are not the same.
I think that the Brass Samurai and Dragon Totem Hero are two solid options for CG warbands. Particularly since they were lacking a bit for quality commanders. | |
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roonechr
Sergeant
604 Posts
Kansas City, MO
| | 02/23/2006 1:23 PM |
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Mia culpa
I believe you mean mea culpa. [:D] | |
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LeClaire
Warrior
225 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 1:42 PM |
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Originally posted by roonechr
I believe you mean mea culpa. [:D]
Why yes I do indeed think that it's all your fault. Thank you for acknowledging your part in this fiasco. [:D] | |
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roonechr
Sergeant
604 Posts
Kansas City, MO
| | 02/23/2006 1:49 PM |
| | You're a sly one, LeClaire, but this is far from over [}:)] | |
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Sacred Lye
Warrior
184 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 2:03 PM |
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Originally posted by Felagund
quote:
Originally posted by Sacred Lye
Then we must agree to dissagree. We have some usable pieces, but nothing that really puts CG back on the playing field. I do like the stealheart archer, but what I like and what wins touneys are not the same.
I think that the Brass Samurai and Dragon Totem Hero are two solid options for CG warbands. Particularly since they were lacking a bit for quality commanders.
With the highest AC between those two being 16, it still does not make me go, there is a piece that will make CG competitive enough.
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 2:10 PM |
| | Armor Class is not everything, in fact it is a small part of what makes a piece competitive, especially in relation to speed, hit points, damage, and attack bonuses. | |
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Felagund
Sergeant
922 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 2:11 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sacred Lye
With the highest AC between those two being 16, it still does not make me go, there is a piece that will make CG competitive enough.
The AC's may be a bit low, but the HP is there. And the damage is pretty good. | |
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 2:39 PM |
| Don't knock my DTH. Dragons here, dragons there, dragons dragons everywhere!
I will play nothing but DTH + Dragons from here on out, except when I'm playing a Lich + Horde Zombies.
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/23/2006 3:09 PM |
| Snig, Deboned Dire Wolf Rider ...
For RPG, I want a saddle and a medium sized worg.
For skirmish, he just can't cut it. I'll go on the record now by saying that he is the worst draw in limited play ... (guaranteeing that I'll draw him at the release tourney, just like I pulled a roper). He has bad attacks, and he prevents you from using the superior Archfiends Snig.
And to top it off, he lost his hat! | |
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Tgt
Sergeant
574 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 3:26 PM |
| | Snig, Night Hag and War Troll. | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 3:30 PM |
| | I think the Arcane Ballista is a worse draw then Snig, especially if you fail to pull any spellcasters. | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 3:37 PM |
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 3:42 PM |
| The Warforged Barbarian and Wemic Barbarian were pretty dissapointing. They're both costed around the same as the Frenzied Berserker, but don't offer very much more. If the Warforged Barbarian were about 43 points it'd be perfect, but it's 49 points are too close to the FB's 52 points.
The Wemic actually costs more than the FB, but, again, doesn't offer much more.
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