D&D Miniatures
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guyf
Sergeant
545 Posts
    
 | | 03/28/2006 2:08 PM |
| Turns and Rounds are different.
A turn is a single creature's activation.
A round is where both players roll initiative and then alternate taking phases of two activations each. When all creatures have activated once, the round ends.
See Battle Basics on page 8-9 of the War Drums rulebook.
I get several questions each week where the player's question arose because of their confusion between rounds and turns.
The rulebook does a great job using the two different terms in the correct ways, so we can't really blame the rulebook.
I think the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of us, the DDM community. As a group, we use the wrong terms often, we teach the game to others using the wrong terms, and we end up exacerbating the problem.
Generally, the problem happens when one of us uses "turn" when they mean "round." This has happened in many influential tournament reports and articles.
So, to help eliminate this problem, this thread will serve as a Hall of Shame for the prominent posts & articles where the terms are used incorrectly. This isn't mean to pick on anybody. Some pretty big DDM minds have made the mistake. It's just meant as a playful reminder to use the correct terminology. | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 03/28/2006 2:16 PM |
| Nice clarification, is hard to make new gamers to this concept, we mens used to play or do things without reading the whole instruction booklet.
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D&D Miniatures
Guru
guyf
Sergeant
545 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 2:18 PM |
| bshugg gets to be the first addition to this thread. Sorry, dude:
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17800 | |
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Wish
Sergeant
399 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 2:20 PM |
| D&DM is related to D&D, which has a long history of using the terms turn and round in confusing ways. Many D&DM players are also D&D players, and so that confusion does bleed over.
I still remember when a turn was 10 minutes. | | | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 3:01 PM |
| | Well I'm sure I'll be on that list, but you'll have to find it first. | |
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D&D Miniatures
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guyf
Sergeant
545 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 3:05 PM |
| Oh, I'll find you. I'll find you. [)]
doubtofbuddha is next:
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17761 | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 3:05 PM |
| | Oh noes! I've been guyf'd! | |
I am not gone. | |
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Pegasus Knight
Sergeant
896 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 5:05 PM |
| | If I was a betting sort, I'd put money on this becoming the equivalent to the "(name) is Correct) signature-quoting people do on the WotC boards. Maybe people will even combine 'em, having both a "GuyF told me I'm right" sig, and a "GuyF called me on my mis-use of Turn and Round" sig quote too. | |
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 6:05 PM |
| This is why I prefer to not use known terms and make up my own. That way no one can call me on it! [:p]
R~ | |
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Tactician
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Fry
Underboss
1724 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 10:13 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tactician
So instead of being as nice as possible and correcting the poster on his/her error in terminology, the link to the topic gets posted here?
So this will make the player/poster better how?
From what I've heard from Guy previously, he's tried correcting people privately, and it doesn't seem to work. Maybe this will... | |
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Prince o the Raven Banner
Sergeant
606 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 3:21 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tactician
So instead of being as nice as possible and correcting the poster on his/her error in terminology, the link to the topic gets posted here?
So this will make the player/poster better how?
Oh come on Paul, it's Freakin Funny.
I'm guilty. Heck I bet everyone who played AD&D is guilty. Part of our linguistic programming states that there are ten rounds in a turn. All the new kids are better off because so long as we old foggies don't confuse them they'll settle in on as many as 8/16 turns in a round. See it's simple. [:p] | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10358 Posts
United States
| | 03/29/2006 9:54 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
Oh noes! I've been guyf'd!
I think this is perhaps the finest verb I've seen in a long time.
He guyf's.
She guyf's.
You guyf.
We guyf.
They guyf.
I've been guyf'd.
I will be guyf'ing tomorrow.
Etc.
Excellent, thanks Jesse.
Dave | |
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Sharn Inquisitor
Underboss
1623 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 10:44 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
Oh noes! I've been guyf'd!
ROFL. | | | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 2:24 PM |
| | My posts are more for fun and include less meat, so turn, round... try and find the one or two I've screwed up... I know I have too! [}:)] | |
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Wayne
Underboss
1371 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 6:52 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
I think this is perhaps the finest verb I've seen in a long time.
I've been guyf'd.
I will be guyf'ing tomorrow.
Folks here in San Francisco have been using that expression (or variations on it) for a long time. | |
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Felagund
Sergeant
922 Posts
| | 03/30/2006 4:23 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Wayne
Folks here in San Francisco have been using that expression (or variations on it) for a long time.
Guyf-a-roni, the San Francisco treat. | |
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Ack
Underboss
1476 Posts
| | 04/01/2006 11:54 PM |
| | strider came very close to being added to this list today | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 04/03/2006 10:30 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ack
strider came very close to being added to this list today
Hey... I caught myself at the Open.
Great Guy now has spies working for him at the events. I'll have to be on my toes now. | |
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Gristlemane
Sergeant
623 Posts
| | 04/03/2006 9:34 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Prince o the Raven Banner
I'm guilty. Heck I bet everyone who played AD&D is guilty.
Yup. I blame it all on 2E! | |
It's deja vu all over again. | |
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D&D Miniatures
Guru
guyf
Sergeant
545 Posts
| | 04/04/2006 8:53 PM |
| rhane is the latest inductee to the Hall of Shame!
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18175 | |
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D&D Miniatures
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guyf
Sergeant
545 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 3:34 AM |
| Zoons has now been shamed! Poor Zoons.
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18055&whichpage=3 | |
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argwinkle
Sneak
94 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 11:07 AM |
| The Wizard's internal league reports are a recent example where turn was used very prominently instead of round on the WotC site:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mi/20060223b | |
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Zoons
Underboss
1066 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 11:49 AM |
| Well this was bound to happen sooner or later. I guess I should be lucky this is the only thing I have been called out on to be ashamed of.<--- Preposition[:D]
Alas, I is a engineer. Not a English major.
Well, my Father always said I'd turn out to be useful. Looks like I can serve as a bad example.
Sorry to encourage the confusion. | |
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frogrodeo
Sergeant
706 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 2:23 PM |
| | Zoons... at least that will make you more "rounded"... (pun intended [)]) | |
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Fry
Underboss
1724 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 4:47 PM |
| | Just the threat of getting guyf'd has caused me to go back and edit my qualifier report from last year. [)] | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 04/06/2006 1:41 AM |
| | Make sure to check out the GAS Band article on Wizards site. We have a new Hall of Shamer. | |
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D&D Miniatures
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guyf
Sergeant
545 Posts
| | 04/13/2006 12:40 PM |
| Janos M. is the latest inductee to the Hall of Shame!
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18552 | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6684 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 04/18/2006 1:40 AM |
| | Well, I say thanks to guyf for drawing my attention to the terminology issue. I think that I will remember the difference now. Thanks to all the good natured blokes who are helping guyf illustrate his point. | |
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Janos M.
Underboss
1015 Posts
Hamburg / GErmany
| | 04/19/2006 4:01 AM |
| Guy your're right (I think you know it... [:I])!
And I take my hat off to you. | |
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D&D Miniatures
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guyf
Sergeant
545 Posts
| | 04/20/2006 3:29 AM |
| BoloBaby joins that Hall of Shame!
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18814 | |
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D&D Miniatures
Guru
guyf
Sergeant
545 Posts
| | 04/24/2006 8:01 PM |
| Everyone welcome Narcissus to the Hall of Shame!
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18943&whichpage=2 | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 04/25/2006 12:38 PM |
| | The guyfing continues! | |
I am not gone. | |
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
936 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 04/28/2006 7:05 PM |
| | Im not a english speaker, so i read some guys wirte "Tier 1", so i want to know what it mean? | |
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D&D Miniatures
Guru
guyf
Sergeant
545 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 4:52 PM |
| Drago F joins the Hall of Shame!
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19326 | |
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swoper
Sneak
54 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 9:40 AM |
| Is this an Inquisition? "The Inquisition what a show!"
If so I want to join! When do I sign up? When do I get my turn?
I want to use fear and intimidation to round up all those malcontents!
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I've got a lot of Minis, okay, so lets just leave it at that... | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 05/04/2006 7:59 PM |
| Considering how people clammer to get Guy to give them a 'X is correct' on the wizards site, I would not be surprised to see people intentionallystart confusing rounds with turns just so they can get shamed ...
Now, if you'll excuse me, I must go play a match wheere my creatures will get to activate on a round turn within a turn round. | |
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D&D Miniatures
Guru
guyf
Sergeant
545 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 3:50 PM |
| doranur is now in the Hall of Shame! (Locals and non-locals will all be smashed with equal impunity!)
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19839 | |
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D&D Miniatures
Guru
guyf
Sergeant
545 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 3:57 PM |
| Might as well smash another local: elder_basilisk is in the Hall of Shame, and not just for filling out his last match report slip incorrectly!
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19747 | |
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