Vrecknidj
Warlord
10253 Posts
    
United States
 | | 04/30/2006 6:18 PM |
| My son is a very good player and excellent at warband design. Today, I was playing a band that I felt was quite good:
Rakshasa
Helmed Horror x2
Chraal
Dark Moon Monk
Timber Wolf x2
Barbarian Mercenary (just in case Hold Person works)
So, he kicked my butt up and down the King's Road. And then, after I'd been schooled, I played him again, same map, same bands, same starting areas. You'd think I'd have learned.
Nope, he mopped me up again.
Curious what he played?
Here's a hint, the secret tech wasn't obvious.
[}:)]
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 6:21 PM |
| | oh well i know what it is, its Flameskull... no dout. | |
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 6:33 PM |
| | jokes aside, was his commander King Obould Many-Arrows? | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 6:33 PM |
| | I'm guessing the tech was... Spider Swarm as a blocker. | |
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 6:35 PM |
| Calling it new NOST probably means LG, but how can we even venture a guess without even a hint or two?
Well, Kings Road map has forest, which can be a boon to ranged, and last year's NOST used dual couatl's. So, Dual Couatl + Arcane Ballista? Throw in a warforged scout for VP grabbing, and some melee blockers to protect your core (Sacred Watchers?), and it's off to the races.
So, how far off was I? Probably WAAAY off. | |
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 6:43 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by taliesin
Calling it new NOST probably means LG, but how can we even venture a guess without even a hint or two?
Well, Kings Road map has forest, which can be a boon to ranged, and last year's NOST used dual couatl's. So, Dual Couatl + Arcane Ballista? Throw in a warforged scout for VP grabbing, and some melee blockers to protect your core (Sacred Watchers?), and it's off to the races.
So, how far off was I? Probably WAAAY off.
didnt know that kings road was a map, have not been playing in a while. also did not know nost was a band used. hmm i think thats a good guess my self. anything else i can see adding is dual couatl + dual arcane ballista? | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10253 Posts
United States
| | 04/30/2006 6:56 PM |
| All the guesses so far aren't on target. Heck, I'm afraid to give it away since our qualifier is in two weeks. I guess we'll all have to wait.
[)]
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 04/30/2006 6:59 PM |
| | Ghaele Eladrin? | |
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 7:17 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
Here's a hint, the secret tech wasn't obvious.
Is it something obscure? Hmmm...
Anvil of Thunder?
Forest Troll?
Fiendish Dire Wolverine??
Achaierai???!
C'mon, tell us! *taps foot impatiently*
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 04/30/2006 7:33 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
All the guesses so far aren't on target. Heck, I'm afraid to give it away since our qualifier is in two weeks. I guess we'll all have to wait.
[)]
Dave
Dave, that's just cruel. Where is your humanity?
It's the Dragon Samurai, isn't it? Huh, huh, huh? You can tell me!
OK, seriously... let's see...
Is it Arcane Archer and HEBI? | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
8879 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 04/30/2006 7:34 PM |
| | Come on Dave, we're all waiting. | |
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shemnon
Warrior
279 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 7:36 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
All the guesses so far aren't on target. Heck, I'm afraid to give it away since our qualifier is in two weeks. I guess we'll all have to wait.
[)]
Dave
Non-Obvious huh? Will revealing it be that big a deal? What, will uncovering it remove the bonus you expect to get playing it? I feel like you are hiding something from us V. | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 04/30/2006 7:43 PM |
| Mordenkainen? The extra 4 AC from cover and ability to back off without an AOO and blast would be nice...
Who wants to get close to that??? | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 04/30/2006 7:45 PM |
| Oooooooh... how about THIS???
Dragon Totem hero with melee reach 2 baddies that have more than one attack? You cut down on your opponents attacks by half and you still get the extra attacks yourself.
Damn - that's GOOD. | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 04/30/2006 7:48 PM |
| OK - one last guess!
Bladesinger with Brass Samurai and Rikka. That would also work extremely well in the forest... | |
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ChristopherGroves
Warlord
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The Defenestrator
AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 7:51 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by BoloBaby
OK - one last guess!
Bladesinger with Brass Samurai and Rikka. That would also work extremely well in the forest...
Thats alot of pts tied up in that, and she still routes just as fast and is easily hit in the forest. If your going to take advantage of the forest you need a very high to hit or an auto hit of some kind, and a high AC yourself doesnt hurt.
Due to Daves flanking question Im wondering if it is a sneak attacker such as the skullclan, as it can sidestep in the forest and still do well. But the limits of the sneak attack in the current environment take me out of considering that.
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 7:53 PM |
| | Its the Dromite wilder. [:p] His AC pushes to 24 in the woods and it doesnt block his electro blasts :P Thats it I swear [)] | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 04/30/2006 7:54 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
quote:
Originally posted by BoloBaby
OK - one last guess!
Bladesinger with Brass Samurai and Rikka. That would also work extremely well in the forest...
Thats alot of pts tied up in that, and she still routes just as fast and is easily hit in the forest. If your going to take advantage of the forest you need a very high to hit or an auto hit of some kind, and a high AC yourself doesnt hurt.
Due to Daves flanking question Im wondering if it is a sneak attacker such as the skullclan, as it can sidestep in the forest and still do well. But the limits of the sneak attack in the current environment take me out of considering that.
Right, well, that WAS a LAST guess, so it would have to be lame. ;)
I thought about sneak attackers too, but he was playing 2x HH. Seems unlikely... | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 04/30/2006 7:58 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
Its the Dromite wilder. [:p] His AC pushes to 24 in the woods and it doesnt block his electro blasts :P Thats it I swear [)]
GOOD guess, actually. Not to mention the fact that even after he's based, he can walk over to where he needs to be without an AOO to release the charge.
(I still wanna try a Dragon Totem Hero + melee reach 2 band now. Too bad I don't really own any CG figs. Traded them away to make my other factions stronger.) | |
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 8:02 PM |
| There is no new NOST!
There is no Vreck's son!
It's all a conspiracy to wring a new Tier 1 warband abusing forest terrain out of us!
Kidding. But I am curious what your son used. | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 04/30/2006 8:06 PM |
| | Actually, now that I think about it, can melee reach 2 attackers even ATTACK in forest terrain? Once they step away, they are likely to no longer have line of sight which means they couldn't attack, right? | |
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The Defenestrator
AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 8:13 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by BoloBaby
Actually, now that I think about it, can melee reach 2 attackers even ATTACK in forest terrain? Once they step away, they are likely to no longer have line of sight which means they couldn't attack, right?
Correct, they cannot attack as it uses ranged rules for cover and LoS. | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 04/30/2006 8:18 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
quote:
Originally posted by BoloBaby
Actually, now that I think about it, can melee reach 2 attackers even ATTACK in forest terrain? Once they step away, they are likely to no longer have line of sight which means they couldn't attack, right?
Correct, they cannot attack as it uses ranged rules for cover and LoS.
Right, so then your best bet with the Dragon Totem Hero might be Xen'drik Champion. 24 AC and now it is delivering +10 melee damage. Of course, the extra +4 AC that enemies get has to hurt.
For that reason, I'm thinking that this sooper sekrit warband had to use a special ability or spell of some sort. Use the free back up to blast away... | |
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ESBurt
Skirmisher
11 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 8:18 PM |
| | Hmmm, you bring up a good point the are somethings that many have likely seen, but few talk about. Usually I am not so silly about these things, but this time there are some good things waiting to be unveiled. That's most of the fun and I won't spoil it either. If I am wrong that's cool to, but I don't want to tip my hat either | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3779 Posts
USA
| | 04/30/2006 8:30 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
My son is a very good player and excellent at warband design. Today, I was playing a band that I felt was quite good:
Rakshasa
Helmed Horror x2
Chraal
Dark Moon Monk
Timber Wolf x2
Barbarian Mercenary (just in case Hold Person works)
So, he kicked my butt up and down the King's Road. And then, after I'd been schooled, I played him again, same map, same bands, same starting areas. You'd think I'd have learned.
Nope, he mopped me up again.
Curious what he played?
Here's a hint, the secret tech wasn't obvious.
[}:)]
Dave
Can you give us a hint? What faction?
Ok ok. Does the "secret tech wasn't obvious" refer to the fact that it uses blur, or invisibility, or such?
How about CE - HGB and Githyanki Fighter - blur on HGB?
Not too obvious.
[)]
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Temperance
Sergeant
502 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 8:38 PM |
| Hey, I have another game. I'm thinking of 8 numbers between 1 and 558*. Can you guess them?
*558 = 572 miniatures - 12 huge rares - Drider Sorcerer - Evoker's Apprentice because it really really sucks. | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 04/30/2006 8:46 PM |
| OK - at least this thread has me thinking. Back to Dragon Totem Hero...
Given the wording on the DTH's Cfx, can you attack THEN move 2 spaces? Because then my original strategy stands, just in reverse order. You do a full attack first, then step back. Melee reach creatures can't get you and the enemy will only get one attack in response every time.
If this is the case, DTH + King's Road has just moved to tier-1, in my opinion. | |
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Frost-Bitten
Sergeant
677 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 8:54 PM |
| 5, 122, 394, 522, 380, 244, 296, 158
that is the secret tech for sure
Anyways this is gonna be a stupid topic if he doesnt give (meaningful) hints and tell us if we are right | |
PS. This is what the alphabet would look like if Q and R were removed
hardinjmm:
Frost-Bitten, there's more to life (and DDM) than LG!
Frost-Bitten:
More to life than LG... that is like saying there is more to Lucky Charms than the marshmallows!!!!!!!! | |
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Teach
Sneak
140 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 9:00 PM |
| | Whoa whoa whoa. I could see 5, but 122? No way is that a secret anymore! | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10253 Posts
United States
| | 04/30/2006 9:07 PM |
| Wow, you guys sure are eager to get at this!
Now I feel like I'm important or something.
I can say this though, nobody's gotten it yet. That's probably giving away too much already though, given how many posts there have been.
Oh, and I actually have two sons, but only one of them consistently plays DDM. And, worse for you guys, he regularly plays against bshugg and his group (the shuggettes?).[:I]
Alex and I had a little chat today after dinner. He's been playing against these guys quite a bit lately, and he's not going to be taking his NOST with him since he's reasonably likely to go up against them in a couple weeks at the Ypsilanti qualifier.
Heck, I'm thinking I might play his band...
Oh, and someone mentioned Mordy. Alex played a Mordy band at the Midwest Open and did a lot better than was probably expected. He kinda lost his cool after the third match and started playing it too aggressively, but if he'd kept his head (he's only 16) he'd have probably pulled out another win. He was 4-2 at the Grinder last year too.
His Midwest Open band:
Mordy
Efreeti x2
Chraal
Warrior Skeleton x4
His Grinder band:
Eye of Gruumsh
Orc Champion x2
Orc Sergeant
Mongrelfolk
Orc Spearfighter
Mountain Orc
Orc Warrior x2
Orc Brute x3
His Midwest Open band was obviously not optimized to face Couatls, but against a lot of other bands it was amazingly good. The Grinder band wasn't nearly as strong as it could have been, but this is what he'd practiced with and what he really wanted to play.
Oh, there are no hints about his NOST in these two bands either.
Dave | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 9:11 PM |
| | V, you will soon be hearing from my lawyer. [)] | |
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Frost-Bitten
Sergeant
677 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 9:16 PM |
| Gah, dont give him the satisfaction of our graveling!!! Stand UNITED!!!
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PS. This is what the alphabet would look like if Q and R were removed
hardinjmm:
Frost-Bitten, there's more to life (and DDM) than LG!
Frost-Bitten:
More to life than LG... that is like saying there is more to Lucky Charms than the marshmallows!!!!!!!! | |
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 9:22 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Frost-Bitten
Gah, dont give him the satisfaction of our graveling!!! Stand UNITED!!!
...Does it have to do anything with Slayer of Domiel x3?
this will be gone from my mind by the time 2 weeks rolls around. | |
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psistef
Underboss
1572 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 10:55 PM |
| Good Lord what an irritating thread.
Archmages. | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 04/30/2006 10:59 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by psistef
Good Lord what an irritating thread.
Archmages.
Yeah - don't encourage him any more. He's not going to reveal, the cruel bastage. :-P | |
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Frost-Bitten
Sergeant
677 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 11:03 PM |
| Just think...he could have made it all up
THERE IS NO NOST!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
PS. This is what the alphabet would look like if Q and R were removed
hardinjmm:
Frost-Bitten, there's more to life (and DDM) than LG!
Frost-Bitten:
More to life than LG... that is like saying there is more to Lucky Charms than the marshmallows!!!!!!!! | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 04/30/2006 11:07 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Frost-Bitten
Just think...he could have made it all up
THERE IS NO NOST!!!!!!!!!!!!
(I doubt reverse psychology will work, but what the hell...)
Yeah, you are probably right. Vrecknidj is a big fat liar who only posted this thread to steal our ideas. There is no NOST, never was NOST, and never will be.
Oh... he also collects Beanie Babies and NOT DDM. Freak. | |
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Kalrin
Sneak
90 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 11:37 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
V, you will soon be hearing from my lawyer. [)]
But isn't your band NOST II? *Evil Grin* | |
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Frost-Bitten
Sergeant
677 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 11:48 PM |
| | I committed suicide 5 minutes ago...that is how annoying this thread is | |
PS. This is what the alphabet would look like if Q and R were removed
hardinjmm:
Frost-Bitten, there's more to life (and DDM) than LG!
Frost-Bitten:
More to life than LG... that is like saying there is more to Lucky Charms than the marshmallows!!!!!!!! | |
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