Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
    
 | | 05/01/2006 3:33 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by rhane
NOST is Non-Obvious Secret Tech...
Ah, thanks. Never heard the term before. Or perhaps I did but edited from my mind cos I despise the term "tech" as used in reference to DDM - particularly the awful "savage tech". It makes my skin crawl and my fists itch. I honestly have no idea why it effects me in such a manner.
quote:
Kings Road is one of the maps in the Fields of Ruin pack...available at your FLGS for a mere $15. You can also see it on the latest Vassal mod.
Got it last week. | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1344 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 3:37 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by BoloBaby
quote:
Originally posted by Prince o the Raven Banner
I like Hougars idea.
I'll toss in Elminster, with an Adventuring Wizard and a Meph Pyro.
That'd be unexpected, and waaaay outa left field.
Of course I have no idea what the heck NOST is?
NOST = something you knowest not, i.e. secret tech
NOST = Non-Obvious Secret Tech
As I recall, Jesse coined the phrase before last year's championships, and I acronymized it. | | | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 3:40 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by johnny.quest
NOST = Non-Obvious Secret Tech
As I recall, Jesse coined the phrase before last year's championships, and I acronymized it.
And for that we shall forever live in infamy. [:(] | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1344 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 3:46 PM |
| | Hey, it's the first time I've ever contributed to something that got put on a t-shirt [)] | | | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 3:49 PM |
| | Bah Team ALL DAY! Is going to be far cooler then Team NOST ever was. [)] | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 05/01/2006 3:54 PM |
| | Well johnny.quest, "nost" is also an actual "word" (as much as "e'er" is a word). It's a poetic word meaning "knowest not", so through some strange twist of fate, you created an acronym that holds meaning in itself. What a coinkydink. | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1344 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 4:01 PM |
| | New t-shirt: Thou nost mine NOST | | | |
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zenthrus
Commander
4908 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 05/01/2006 4:08 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by johnny.quest
New t-shirt: Thou nost mine NOST
Woot! (woot being a middle-English word meaning "I know"). [:P] | |
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shemnon
Warrior
279 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 4:26 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Foxman
dragon totem hero allows you to move followers before during or after an attack.... (move up 1 square, hit twice, move another square hit one more time - if you had 3 hits...)
Before or after, but not durring. He only grants Combat Rush not Spring Attack, and I am not even sure if combat rush + spring attack (Githyanki Renegade) would allow that to happen. | |
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djtool
Sergeant
584 Posts
Crystal MN, USA
| | 05/01/2006 6:11 PM |
| | its the red wizard probably with an efreeti or 2. | |
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Falster
Skirmisher
21 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 6:26 PM |
| OMG ! HUGE COMBO !
I know what your son plays ! IT ROCKS ! I'm totally gonna use THAT warband at the qualifiers. [:D] | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 05/01/2006 6:48 PM |
| (Maybe using Vrecknidj's own game against him will work...)
Oh, I got it. I know your combo, but I ain't telling what it is.
It's stupid anyway. If everyone knew about this silly combo, they'd agree. At least I know what it is... even though I won't tell. [:o)] | |
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Foxman
Sergeant
417 Posts
Calgary, AB, Canada
| | 05/01/2006 6:55 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by shemnon
quote:
Originally posted by Foxman
dragon totem hero allows you to move followers before during or after an attack.... (move up 1 square, hit twice, move another square hit one more time - if you had 3 hits...)
Before or after, but not durring. He only grants Combat Rush not Spring Attack, and I am not even sure if combat rush + spring attack (Githyanki Renegade) would allow that to happen.
check out this thread
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=631178
Guys says:
quote:
The Combat Rush definition puts no restrictions on when (any of) the attacks must be used in relation to the movement.
So my example is correct... | |
It would be very unlikely for unlikely events not to occur.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10358 Posts
United States
| | 05/01/2006 8:24 PM |
| While I've considered pulling out the stops and playing a Red Wizard, I don't think my son has the guts. So, that piece is out of contention.
Nobody picked up on my hint that the first shall be last?
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Frost-Bitten
Sergeant
677 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 8:27 PM |
| Cleric of Order (first fig) and Slayer of Domiel x3...ahahaahah
Lets lock this thread before i kill myself... again [:)] | |
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hardinjmm:
Frost-Bitten, there's more to life (and DDM) than LG!
Frost-Bitten:
More to life than LG... that is like saying there is more to Lucky Charms than the marshmallows!!!!!!!! | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 05/01/2006 10:01 PM |
| | Stone Golem? | |
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shemnon
Warrior
279 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 11:51 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Foxman
Guys says:
quote:
The Combat Rush definition puts no restrictions on when (any of) the attacks must be used in relation to the movement.
So my example is correct...
Man, I feel like I am playing magic and BethMo took a trip to Trinidad Colorado in the intervening years.
This is also counter to sidestep and whirlwind attack.
I'll go argue it in the correct thread... or not, WOTC seems to be down for the night. | |
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Feathers
Underboss
1140 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 2:41 AM |
| | Triple Death Slaad. | |
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rhane
Underboss
1412 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 11:01 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
Nobody picked up on my hint that the first shall be last?
Hmmm...here are some firsts and lasts(all sorted in Bifur)
Sorted by:
Cost: Stone Golem (no way)
Cost (ascending): City Guard (um...no)
Name: Aasimar Favored Soul (Nice Tech, but doesn't bring anything that is particularly effective)
Name (descending): ZWD (Helmed Horrors and Chraals should dance around him)
Expansion: Cleric of Order (okay, but certianly not NOST)
Expansion (descending): Arcane Ballista (sure, but already discounted)
Hmmm...what other lasts and firsts are there?
EDIT: I thought the Stone Golem had Requires Commander, but its only Commander Dependent (speed 0 when OOC). If it could somehow get to the center victory area, it could stand there forever with a 30 AC...but how many turns does it take to get him there. So maybe in some sort of a weird point denial type of scenario...but based on Daves first post about getting whupped, I don't think this is likely.
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nycfarmkid
Underboss
1210 Posts
Wadsworth, OH
| | 05/02/2006 11:05 AM |
| some thoughts on the new NOST:
I do not know 100% how Forest Terrain works, but if we are sure that this NOST revolves around forest terrain perhaps it is taking advatage of the restrictions on LOS involving the creatures in and out of the terrain. Perhaps sticking a commander tied to some constructs inside the terrain to hide him? Is the forest terrain also difficult? Perhaps having a commander that can fly, or ignore the terrain penalty, moving from foerst to forest with the opponent unable to catch him? Ghaele Eladrin comes to mind, but again i do not know how forest terrain works at all. Could the ghaele use the gaze out of the forest? what baout shoot out of the forest? It has blindsight, but im not sure that helps.
As a really off the wall idea doesn't the kings road provide some excellent shooting lanes for ranged attack? If so, how about some Wand Experts backed by a Cleric of Corellon to boost their saves. Saving at +10 and +14 for morale. Just a crazy thought as I said.
I suppose it would really help if i knew what the map looked like and what forest errain does. :-P | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
11456 Posts
In ur house, stealin' yur minis
| | 05/02/2006 11:10 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by johnny.quest
New t-shirt: Thou nost mine NOST
All your NOST are belong to us?
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nycfarmkid
Underboss
1210 Posts
Wadsworth, OH
| | 05/02/2006 11:12 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by rhane
quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
Nobody picked up on my hint that the first shall be last?
Hmmm...here are some firsts and lasts(all sorted in Bifur)
Sorted by:
Cost: Stone Golem (no way)
Cost (ascending): City Guard (um...no)
Name: Aasimar Favored Soul (Nice Tech, but doesn't bring anything that is particularly effective)
Name (descending): ZWD (Helmed Horrors and Chraals should dance around him)
Expansion: Cleric of Order (okay, but certianly not NOST)
Expansion (descending): Arcane Ballista (sure, but already discounted)
Hmmm...what other lasts and firsts are there?
EDIT: I thought the Stone Golem had Requires Commander, but its only Commander Dependent (speed 0 when OOC). If it could somehow get to the center victory area, it could stand there forever with a 30 AC...but how many turns does it take to get him there. So maybe in some sort of a weird point denial type of scenario...but based on Daves first post about getting whupped, I don't think this is likely.
Hmm what about Warduke? Last miniature in the last expansion. Anything on the forest terrain that would benefit him greatly?
EDITE: He has been called a tech piece before.... Maybe something with his morale save effect. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10358 Posts
United States
| | 05/02/2006 11:32 AM |
| 1) The first/last stuff guesses have all been wrong so far (colder, you're getting colder...). And, that hint had two different references. They can both be better rephrased as "the least shall be first."
2) The NOST doesn't depend upon Forest terrain, it just so happened that this was the first map we tested it on. That said, the NOST doesn't mind the Forest terrain, not at all.
3) The NOSTy band has been tested several more times and it's no longer undefeated. It's amazing how much damage three Eyes of Gruumsh can do when they don't miss. (Then again, what piece can handle three Eyes of Gruumsh when they don't miss?) That said, the NOSTy band lost on the last die roll of the game, and all the Eyes made their morale saves--how often is that going to happen?
Dave | |
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Lance H
Sergeant
403 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 11:33 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sulaco
. . . I despise the term "tech" as used in reference to DDM - particularly the awful "savage tech". It makes my skin crawl and my fists itch. I honestly have no idea why it effects me in such a manner.
I have the same inexplicable reaction to the term "crit" as used when discussing a critical hit. | |
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nycfarmkid
Underboss
1210 Posts
Wadsworth, OH
| | 05/02/2006 11:44 AM |
| This may have been said before but here goes.
Last year's NOST was essentially doubling a figure (Coautl) in what was already known to be a good combination (Coautl + Justic Archon). Perhaps it is something similar? How about doubling Dark Naga's? Or maybe doubling Coautl's again on the Marut? (I dont even know if thats possible given the point costs.) Or doubling up on bodyguards? But i think that has been done before? Just some more fodder for thought. What other figures might be powerful when doubled up where they are usually run as singles? | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 11:48 AM |
| Dammit, the hint is too cryptic for me... "The least shall be first"
Uh, something small, maybe even Tiny? Imps or Quasits?
(edit) First? Maybe using the nasty Conceal 11 on an Imp as a blocker? | |
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bombur
Sergeant
362 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 12:38 PM |
| People, People it is patently obvious what the new NOST Warband is.
War Troll x2
Kobold Sorcerer x2
Kobold Miner x3
Kobold Champion
What else could it possibly be aside from maybe kobold miners x8.
Ok, I don't have a clue. | |
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 12:50 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Low Key
Dammit, the hint is too cryptic for me... "The least shall be first"
Uh, something small, maybe even Tiny? Imps or Quasits?
(edit) First? Maybe using the nasty Conceal 11 on an Imp as a blocker?
Yeah it makes me think of scenes from Highlander with that damned Spanish peacock sprouting his crap to Connor. Cue Queen music.
Anyway the hint makes me think of Elminster's Mystra's Curse. If both Helmed Horrors were cursed and taking their lowest of two rolls for attacks he might have never hit anything. With Aramil and a few other rude spellcasters then Dave's whole warband could have been nerfed and cursed. Still not sure it's all that solid but if Dave was rolling bad half the time it might win. If later his Eye of Gruumsh never rolled low maybe he won as a result.
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 05/02/2006 12:58 PM |
| | Fine time to mention that the forest terrain didn't play a part. [:(!] | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10358 Posts
United States
| | 05/02/2006 1:22 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by BoloBaby
Fine time to mention that the forest terrain didn't play a part. [:(!]
Well, it played a part in the first test of the band, and, like I said, the band certainly doesn't mind being played on the King's Road...
Dave | |
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Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss
1085 Posts
Southeast PA
| | 05/02/2006 2:15 PM |
| | Just tell us already, so we don't have to waste our time thinking and reading all these guesses. You're going to spill it eventually anyway. | |
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md3
Sergeant
702 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 2:19 PM |
| Ok, so I will toss my obvious tech...but if fails miserably against a fireproof warband.
125 = 5 flameskulls
45 = Helmed Horror
20 = Snig, the Axe + 3 skirmishers - should give +5 regular damage to the flameskulls melee attack
10 = Goblin Adept - more fire damage cones
5 close range fireballs are effectivly 50 autodamage - 5 ranged attacks for 5 fire damage each before closing, a +18 to hit at range isn't anything to easy to avoid. Unfortunately, the flameskulls all just do fire damage. The Helmed Horror is immune to those fireballs too. The goblin adept is for a possible few more fire cones.
Oh, don't forget the skulls have conceal!
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 2:33 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by md3
Snig, the Axe...should give +5 regular damage to the flameskulls melee attack
Snig's CFX only affects small creatures, not tiny. | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 2:35 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by md3
Ok, so I will toss my obvious tech...but if fails miserably against a fireproof warband.
125 = 5 flameskulls
45 = Helmed Horror
20 = Snig, the Axe + 3 skirmishers - should give +5 regular damage to the flameskulls melee attack
10 = Goblin Adept - more fire damage cones
5 close range fireballs are effectivly 50 autodamage - 5 ranged attacks for 5 fire damage each before closing, a +18 to hit at range isn't anything to easy to avoid. Unfortunately, the flameskulls all just do fire damage. The Helmed Horror is immune to those fireballs too. The goblin adept is for a possible few more fire cones.
Oh, don't forget the skulls have conceal!
You wimp. Use 8 Flameskulls. | |
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Frost-Bitten
Sergeant
677 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 3:03 PM |
| DO i smell WARDUKE?
The first (highest point fig) shall be last (killed last)
OR
The least (lowest cost) is first (use methodical killer)
Come on this is it for sure
If this isnt i give up lol | |
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hardinjmm:
Frost-Bitten, there's more to life (and DDM) than LG!
Frost-Bitten:
More to life than LG... that is like saying there is more to Lucky Charms than the marshmallows!!!!!!!! | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10358 Posts
United States
| | 05/02/2006 3:06 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Just tell us already, so we don't have to waste our time thinking and reading all these guesses. You're going to spill it eventually anyway.
If I can manage to hold on until the 5/13 qualifier, everyone is sure to know after my son takes 1st. [:)]
Unless, of course, we ditch the band by then because we find all its flaws.
Dave | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 05/02/2006 3:11 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sulaco
quote:
Originally posted by md3
Snig, the Axe...should give +5 regular damage to the flameskulls melee attack
Snig's CFX only affects small creatures, not tiny.
...and it would actually be +5 fire damage if it did affect them since the base damage type is fire. (Confirmed by Guy yesterday.) | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 05/02/2006 3:21 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Frost-Bitten
DO i smell WARDUKE?
The first (highest point fig) shall be last (killed last)
OR
The least (lowest cost) is first (use methodical killer)
Come on this is it for sure
If this isnt i give up lol
Actually, you are probably right. But one fig does not make NOST, methinks. Sooooo, if you had to spice up a Warduke band, what might you use? Oh, I dunno - how about Grey Render? Go ahead... pick the smallest target for my Grey Render... that only makes my Warduke stronger beyotch!
You could also toss in something snazzy like Bugbear Champion of Erythnul to pump your damage even more. Then, you can Frighten the big guys (who can be frightened) after they drop below 30HP. Plus you get Magic Weapon for your Render.
Of course, a fig with a cone could also help, but now we are getting tight on points.
This seems like it could be it...
(BTW, since you never told us squat (realistically), we can take credit for coming up with this on our own! [:p]) | |
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md3
Sergeant
702 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 3:26 PM |
| | that will teach me to read SIZE. | |
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Frost-Bitten
Sergeant
677 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 3:26 PM |
| | I (almost) PROCLAIM VICTORY [:)] | |
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hardinjmm:
Frost-Bitten, there's more to life (and DDM) than LG!
Frost-Bitten:
More to life than LG... that is like saying there is more to Lucky Charms than the marshmallows!!!!!!!! | |
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