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| | 04/30/2006 8:36 PM |
| | What's the Atlantic Cup? It sounds cool if it's a championship of champions. Was it for previous winners of qualifiers? | |
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Frost-Bitten
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677 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 8:55 PM |
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Frost-Bitten, there's more to life (and DDM) than LG!
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Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 04/30/2006 10:41 PM |
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robbdaman
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| | 04/30/2006 11:10 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
It was just some winners / ambassadors playing today in the UK. Not the EU championship, but rather just a small event.
So he must represent the USA. GO YANKS!!! [:)]
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Frost-Bitten
Sergeant
677 Posts
| | 04/30/2006 11:17 PM |
| | wow and wasn't kiddoc saying his playing was rusty a couple weaks ago when DCI came out with the top 10 or whatever... looks like he got some oil to say the least heh [:)] | |
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Frost-Bitten, there's more to life (and DDM) than LG!
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 12:06 AM |
| Somehow, when kiddoc says he's rusty I feel the urge to get a tetnus booster...
Rusty can still be dangerous. [)]
Congrats, kiddoc! | |
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| | 05/01/2006 12:26 AM |
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| | 05/01/2006 3:15 AM |
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Hejas
Sergeant
435 Posts
Poland
| | 05/01/2006 6:28 AM |
| Does that mean that Europeans got their asses kicked once again?
Oh, never mind - they probably let him win. ;) | |
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froffenhoffer
Sergeant
702 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 7:40 AM |
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Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
It was just some winners / ambassadors playing today in the UK. Not the EU championship, but rather just a small event.
The Atlantic cup was played between the top two players form the sealed, the 200 points and the epic, as well as Alepulp and Kiddoc.
Kiddoc playe coautl marut, there were 2 tri-horrors(1 by Alepulp) 1 ulmo band, 1 balor band, one different Le band, bit rogue, dual frensied+dual marshal. Kiddoc beat a tri horror in the finals. The reason for the more rogue bands was the winners form sealed and 500 points did badly in 200 generally. | |
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 8:09 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by froffenhoffer
quote:
Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
It was just some winners / ambassadors playing today in the UK. Not the EU championship, but rather just a small event.
The Atlantic cup was played between the top two players form the sealed, the 200 points and the epic, as well as Alepulp and Kiddoc.
Right. It was a chance for the best European players from all formats to thrown down in one big "Tournament of Champions" and was our most "hyped" event. It was incredibly tense playing against guys that had gone pretty much undefeated in sealed, Epic, and constructed (including my finals match--where I played against Marco Moretto who placed 2nd in both Constructed and Epic!!! Yikes.). It was a ton of fun, and the highlight of the tournament from many of the spectators I talked to--we had quite a large crowd.
I have news for the Americans too: the rest of the world is just as good, and our metagame doesn't hold everywhere. I saw some awesome rogue bands show up, and they didn't show up because of a lack of a well defined metagame, they showed up because these players did their homework, and because they knew they were good enough to pilot them to victory.
I was impressed... AWED by the skill level of these players. Beware US competitors, if they show up at Gencon, you'll be getting a run for your money.
Thanks again to Peter Scott (aka Alepup) and Fanboy3 games as well as Wizards for allowing me to participate in such an amazing event. I'm quite humbled!
Stay tuned for tons of pictures (and video!), a tournament report from yours truly, and another report about the "experience" in general.
Tiamat sends her greetings from the UK, and looks forward to returning to US soil in a couple of days. [:D] | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 8:17 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by froffenhoffer
quote:
Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
It was just some winners / ambassadors playing today in the UK. Not the EU championship, but rather just a small event.
The Atlantic cup was played between the top two players form the sealed, the 200 points and the epic, as well as Alepulp and Kiddoc.
Kiddoc playe coautl marut, there were 2 tri-horrors(1 by Alepulp) 1 ulmo band, 1 balor band, one different Le band, bit rogue, dual frensied+dual marshal. Kiddoc beat a tri horror in the finals. The reason for the more rogue bands was the winners form sealed and 500 points did badly in 200 generally.
I think Pawel (winner of the 500) did quite well in the 200 constructed IIRC. He had a very well thought out band for the cup, and even though you'd think Balor, Ravager, Quaggoths was a odd band, I think some people learned the hard way what a crafty band it was.. I however did crap in the 200 constructed (3-3!) and borrowed one of Alepulps bands for the Atlantic Cup.
Bands were (from memory!!)
1) Brian (Kiddoc)- Marut, Couatl, Bodyguard
2) Marco (Nike)- Naga, 3x Horrors, Snig
3) Sam (me)- Naga, Gauth, Chraal, Duergar, Zakya, filler
4) Pawel- Balor, Ravager, MANY Quaggoths
?) Cesare (Orion)- 2x Marshalls, 2x Bezerkers, 2x Greycloaks
?) Peter (Alepulp)- Raka, 3x Horrors DMM?
?) David - Ulmo, Village Priest, 2x Arcanix Guard, Half Orc Paladin, Aramil
?) (?)Death Slaad, 2x Blue Slaad, Tiefling | |
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alepulp
Underboss
1540 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 05/01/2006 8:43 AM |
| I came 6th - beating only Cesare with the 3xHH band. Losing to the Balor and Naga/Snig 3xHH band.
Funny thing was that the matchup I won was the one I expected to lose. Let's put it this way - I know how to win with HHs on the Outpost - even v other HHx3 warbands. I also think I know how to beat the Balor on it with HH - yet I allowed the HHs to fight as individuals and off the bridge. What was I thinking? Having said that - I had a strange run of luck... I tried to hit Snig 3 times with a HH - and rolled 3 x 1.... on the 4th hit he passed morale... However - my strategy was very poor and theirs was very good...
Kiddocs match v David was probably the funniest I've ever seen - they did NOTHING for about 1 hour... then Brian suddenly decided it was time to actually do some fighting and not win on a technicality. 4 attack rolls against the Sacred Watcher - 4 misses later... nothing. Then Ulmo moves up to the centre of the board and replaces the Marut - thus winning the game as the closest to centre high value piece - taking an AOO on the way. Brian pulls back and crits Ulmo....
Ask Brian about the final round in his sealed event - the game was settled in a dramatic style.
I was REALLY impressed by the sportsmanship showed by everyone at the show...
Brian was a GREAT Ambassador for the game and for the US... I hope he'll come back over for the next EU champs | |
One of these days WoTC will update their tournament page when I'm in the top 5... they never seem to do when I'm in that bracket :(
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ChristopherGroves
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alepulp
Underboss
1540 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 05/01/2006 8:47 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
Which "David" was it?
David - Our Czech finalist. | |
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 8:48 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by froffenhoffer
The reason for the more rogue bands was the winners form sealed and 500 points did badly in 200 generally.
Actually, there's more than that to it. [)]
The reason for one of the Rogue bands (aye! my first round matchup-gag!) is that I accidentally (over a few pints...) let the warband I was playing slip the day before. The very competitive Italians decided that if they got another player (they had 2 in already) in, they'd design the perfect band to beat me (and the other lawful bands they knew were showing up). Hence the 3x Death Slaad warband. 3 Chaos Hammers... ugh. Very, very clever Italians. [:D] | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 9:17 AM |
| | Wow, well congrats Brian! I hope the trip was as great as it sounds. I'll have to some how save some money for next years event and try and go. | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 9:20 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kiddoc
quote:
Originally posted by froffenhoffer
The reason for the more rogue bands was the winners form sealed and 500 points did badly in 200 generally.
Actually, there's more than that to it. [)]
The reason for one of the Rogue bands (aye! my first round matchup-gag!) is that I accidentally (over a few pints...) let the warband I was playing slip the day before. The very competitive Italians decided that if they got another player (they had 2 in already) in, they'd design the perfect band to beat me (and the other lawful bands they knew were showing up). Hence the 3x Death Slaad warband. 3 Chaos Hammers... ugh. Very, very clever Italians. [:D]
Heh. I remember last year saying that if the Italians came to GenCon Indy they'd win. I've seen them on Vassal and they are really good players ... | |
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Newtoncain
Commander
2985 Posts
Land of 10,000 taxes
| | 05/01/2006 11:21 AM |
| COngrates Kiddoc.[:0]
How about resurrecting WBVII? | |
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Okay McKay
Underboss
1070 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 12:29 PM |
| Congratulations, Kiddoc! Jolly good show.
And... No more pints for you before big competitions. | |
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Drago F
Sneak
88 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 12:39 PM |
| As a middling order player in the UK Champions tourny, I have to say that we couldnt have asked for a better event. Peter Scott (Alepulp) deserves super credit for his effort in arranging the tourny.
I also think everyone was very impressed by Brian (Kiddoc) both on and off the board. A better ambassador for the US would be tough to find and clearly a deserving winner of the Atlantic Cup. All nations had strong players and it goes to show that variety in culture brings out variety in warbands.
The main impressive point is the quality of play, even rogue or non-Tier 1 bands were played with much skill and ingenuity.
Cant wait until next EU Champs and now I might even fly to US for GenCon to see how US players handle the EU players. Many more Atlantic cups I hope! In future I also would like to play those outside US and Europe.
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Janos M.
Underboss
1015 Posts
Hamburg / GErmany
| | 05/01/2006 2:45 PM |
| Congrats Kiddoc!
It was hard for me after going 8-2 out of my 10 games(200 constructed 5-1 and sealed 3-1) and didn't make it to the atlantic cup (and no chance get my ass kicked). | |
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 8:30 PM |
| Thanks guys, it was great meeting you all. I had an absolute TON of fun. I'm more exhausted than I've ever been in my life, but that's to be expected. [:D]
Hope to see some of you at Gencon!
Oh, and I hope to see you next year at the EU Championships again--but for now, the Atlantic Cup rests safely in the US (well, as soon as I get there). I'm salivating at the chance to defend it (poorly) [:p]. | |
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 05/01/2006 9:03 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Newtoncain
COngrates Kiddoc.[:0]
How about resurrecting WBVII?
Yup. I'll hop to it as soon as I get back on US soil. Ahem... I uh... Meant to bring all the stuff with me to do it... but uh... left it on my USB key at home. [B)] Oops. Apologies for that. We'll get it going again on Wednesday. | |
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kreylan
Sneak
61 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 4:39 AM |
| The Atlantic cup games were a great show!
Kiddoc made a good show the whole weekend, judging, joking and telling stories.
Seeing him at th gaming table was amazing. He still jests a lot, but i dare call it psycological warfare! When Dario put his 3x Slaad warband on the table EVERBODY agreed that Kiddoc could not win. Dario was ahead on points for some rounds and the Marut-band was spread out to avoid the hammers.
Well, Kiddoc let his warband slip over some pints of ale....Dario had won a selection of German beer in the Epic tourney and decided to drink one during the game! Maybe that helped Kiddoc win the game, but his playing skills are awesome!
Dario played well too (despite the beer), but he missed an early chance to hammer Marut, Couatl, Bodyguard AND the Cleric of Order with the possibility to rout the cleric right off the board.
A great game to watch! | |
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rilos
Skirmisher
34 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 7:05 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kiddoc
quote:
Originally posted by froffenhoffer
The reason for the more rogue bands was the winners form sealed and 500 points did badly in 200 generally.
Actually, there's more than that to it. [)]
The reason for one of the Rogue bands (aye! my first round matchup-gag!) is that I accidentally (over a few pints...) let the warband I was playing slip the day before. The very competitive Italians decided that if they got another player (they had 2 in already) in, they'd design the perfect band to beat me (and the other lawful bands they knew were showing up). Hence the 3x Death Slaad warband. 3 Chaos Hammers... ugh. Very, very clever Italians. [:D]
oh, there's even more than that [)]
Dario has been playing his 3slaads band since january, and wanted to play it at the EU championship. Last week we played a couple of games which he lost. So he decided to change his wb with a gith monk band. Everybody told him that was a very good band, but he did poorly at the championship. So when he got the chance to play his loved band he did so! Unfortunately he met Kiddoc! [:)]
I was truly impressed by him. He is a great guy and an amazing
player! [:O] The Atlantic cup couldn't have a better winner!
I am very happy for having met him and so many other graet players!
I look forward to the next EU championship! [:D]
Loris (aka Lorco on WoTC and Italian Mini Forum)
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ChristopherGroves
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Hejas
Sergeant
435 Posts
Poland
| | 05/02/2006 7:40 AM |
| | So how did exactly your warband look, Kiddoc? | |
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rubos
Sneak
83 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 8:24 AM |
| Kiddoc's band was:
Coautl
Cleric of Order
Aramil
Warforged Bodyguard
Jozan
Marut
Wolf
Mialee
There are some photos took by superman75 of the final, the prizes and the prize giving here http://spaces.msn.com/superman75/ | |
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 12:49 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by rubos
Kiddoc's band was:
Coautl
Cleric of Order
Aramil
Warforged Bodyguard
Jozan
Marut
Wolf
Mialee
There are some photos took by superman75 of the final, the prizes and the prize giving here http://spaces.msn.com/superman75/
That was it! And my map, obviously, was King's Road.
I owe much thanks to Mike Derry and Jason "Fenris" Lioi for convincing me to play LG. Fenris really hammered home the "make it so they can't hit you" concept and I tweaked it and ran with it. Thanks also to Chris Groves, Dave McKay, Dave Smith, Shawn Daugherty, David Scott, and Peter Scott for helping me test and tweak it against a huge array of metagame warbands. I'll post a tournament report in a week or so after I've had a chance to recover and catch up on work.
Oh, and Chris, I did a bit of singing--but a lot more story telling. [:D] | |
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alepulp
Underboss
1540 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 05/03/2006 12:59 PM |
| | Testing we did afterwards only showed one possible way of beating this warband in one hour with Helmed Horrors and it requires some luck. In over 1 hours, to the death, there is little hope. | |
One of these days WoTC will update their tournament page when I'm in the top 5... they never seem to do when I'm in that bracket :(
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Venport
Sergeant
739 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 1:23 PM |
| | is jozan in there for the cure light? | |
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 2:22 PM |
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Originally posted by Venport
is jozan in there for the cure light?
Sure is--well, that and the command. Even 5 extra HP can be HUGE when used on the Bodyguard, and thus passed along to the Marut or Couatl.
Also, sure the DC is super low on Command, but with 3 of them, you'd be surprised just what sort of things I've stunned. The really nice thing about it is that you never count on it working, so you never plan for it. Then, when it does work, it's an extra bonus.
In my opinion, the 5 points alone on the bodyguard (making the Marut have a magic 135hp, or the Couatl have a very nice 120hp) make him a far better choice than the other 4 point options. | |
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Shadow_Fox
Underboss
1751 Posts
Litchfield, MN
| | 05/03/2006 2:56 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kiddoc
quote:
Originally posted by Venport
is jozan in there for the cure light?
Sure is--well, that and the command. Even 5 extra HP can be HUGE when used on the Bodyguard, and thus passed along to the Marut or Couatl.
Also, sure the DC is super low on Command, but with 3 of them, you'd be surprised just what sort of things I've stunned. The really nice thing about it is that you never count on it working, so you never plan for it. Then, when it does work, it's an extra bonus.
In my opinion, the 5 points alone on the bodyguard (making the Marut have a magic 135hp, or the Couatl have a very nice 120hp) make him a far better choice than the other 4 point options.
Jozan is one of those boys that gets passed over too often. He really has a TON of tech for 4 points. | |
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Orion6
Skirmisher
1 Posts
| | 05/05/2006 1:34 PM |
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The reason for one of the Rogue bands (aye! my first round matchup-gag!) is that I accidentally (over a few pints...) let the warband I was playing slip the day before. The very competitive Italians decided that if they got another player (they had 2 in already) in, they'd design the perfect band to beat me (and the other lawful bands they knew were showing up). Hence the 3x Death Slaad warband. 3 Chaos Hammers... ugh. Very, very clever Italians. [:D]
Sorry Brian, where do you invent this????
The night before the atlantic we are around birmingham and in the casinò (where I lost 35 puond :( ). Anda Dario was with me (and other Italians.
I can absure you anibody makes his warband to beat you! Like I'm sure you and Peter didn't make your warband looking at wath we used the day before!
Loris was right about Dario's warband!
I'm a bit sorry for these words coming from you!
A part from that I was very pleased to know you even if I didn't have the pleasure to play against you!
bye
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 05/05/2006 1:45 PM |
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Hehehe. That's what Dario told me jokingly before the game. I was kidding around with him about "did you stay up all night designing that!?!" I had a hard time understanding him, but he told me: "I play this warband a long time, I know it defeat you!" Luckily, I think we have the two of us laughing hysterically about our warbands on video to preserve the humor forever--including Dario whispering sweet nothings to a Mialee before he crits her! (I need to find a place to put all these videos of my Atlantic Cup matches). We both had a good laugh about the contents of our warbands. Especially since I had to publish the contents of my warband for the Cup first thing on Saturday morning. [:D]
It was pretty funny. I asked him if he knew what I was playing and he said, "Yes, we ask you yesterday" and gave me that sly Dario grin. I told him I was wishing he'd play the Beholder + Steel Predator band he brought to the Epic Tourney. [:p]
Since we were just kidding around, it didn't matter to me either way. It was just the random luck of the first matchup, that ended up being a pretty amusing situation. So we went back and forth with each other about which one of us knew we'd be playing the other. He was a ton of fun to play, and I still can't believe I managed to beat that band. He was an awesome competitor. I can't remember the last time I had that much fun laughing with someone during a match. | |
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Venport
Sergeant
739 Posts
| | 05/05/2006 1:48 PM |
| | i don;t have a jozan yet... So i would never have thought of him... Thanks | |
Sacramento DDM http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16854
New world Project http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20745
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
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