forkedmoon
Underboss
1305 Posts
    
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| Well we are having our discussion about under-rated minis what about the opposite. Any feelings on most over-rated mini. Based on skirmish value not on its monetary value.
Not sure where I fall yet. I'm leaning toward Shuluth. So many proclaim the piece's greatness yet I have not seen the results. | |
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Wayne
Underboss
1371 Posts
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Narcissus
Warrior
197 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 12:00 AM |
| Wardrummer...
No, just kidding. HGB for me too. | |
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demitroy
Skirmisher
39 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 12:17 AM |
| Easy.... HGB.... AC 17 on a piece that screams "KILL ME!!!!" 155 hp (150 after first turn) is not enough to keep it alive against other T1 bands.
Pop quiz.... What warband can kill a single HGB without taking an attack in return?
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Kithmaker
Commander
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demitroy
Skirmisher
39 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 12:30 AM |
| Mordy's sword doesn't work that fast......
And HGB's aren't outsiders so there goes that option.... | |
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Wish
Sergeant
399 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 12:39 AM |
| There are multiple options for your pop quiz, depending on how the dice fall. Beholders of course can auto-kill if you get lucky. Dual steel predators rout one off most boards if it fails all three saves. Even GAZE ALL DAY can pull it off, in theory, with the gaze attack. As might a Ghaele.
As for most overrated piece, I'm starting to lean toward the helmed horror. Not because they aren't strong pieces, but so many people are so obsessed with how good they're supposed to be. | | | |
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 05/09/2006 12:42 AM |
| | Ghaele eladerin, Triple FB, Quad CE with eye of gruumsh, Marut dual couatl.....and some other stuff :P | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 05/09/2006 12:45 AM |
| | HGB simply him! | |
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demitroy
Skirmisher
39 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 12:49 AM |
| I'm not gonna hi-jack the thread, so I'm probably gonna have to start a new thread for my pop quiz....
As for the most over rated, still gotta go with the HGB. | |
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Teach
Sneak
140 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 1:45 AM |
| | I'm going to say Helmed Horror, Marut and Wardrummer. All three have significant liabilities, and while powerful pieces, aren't as impossible to beat as some people make them out to be. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
12507 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 05/09/2006 3:00 AM |
| | Some of the minis being listed seem pretty good. For over-rated, I'll go with the Helmed Horror. What once was a feared mini, is now very manageable. | |
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NightMoor
Sergeant
448 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 3:29 AM |
| Ahem, the answer to pop quiz is the Death Slaad, with his trusty friends the Trog and the Cursed Spirit close at hand.
Most overrated? I'd say the Steelheart Archer. Don't get me wrong, it's a *fantastic* archer unit, but the crux of the matter is that archery still sucks, badly, in DDM. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 05/09/2006 5:28 AM |
| | Most overrated = Marut or Helmed Horror. Both are solid pieces, but neither quite live up to the hype. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
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Eliminator53
Sergeant
628 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 8:44 AM |
| | I would agree on the Helmed Horror, which pains me because that is my favorite faction. It is just to easy to make him cause no damage to people. | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 9:19 AM |
| | The Umber Hulk | |
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aamph
Sneak
61 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 10:15 AM |
| Drizzt. He is selling for $120 on eBay, I mean seriously wtf. I'm going to sell mine just because.
Don't get me wrong, Drizzt is great. He is a tank plain and simple, and his epic stats could make him even better. He isn't tier 1, and even with some of the great uniques, and the potential for new ones, I'm not sure that he could become tier 1.
The absolute best minis from older, discontinued sets are no where near that. An orc champ is 40 bucks. | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 10:16 AM |
| | No one seriously considers Drizzt to be a good piece. | |
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aamph
Sneak
61 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 10:23 AM |
| | Guess i didn't read the first post about Skirmish and not monetary value. Guess I should start a new post for Monetary | |
No matter HOW sure I am, never bet the Fett man. | |
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Eliminator53
Sergeant
628 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 10:40 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
No one seriously considers Drizzt to be a good piece.
My little step-brother thinks he is god or something. My bulette ended that theroy quickly, Nat 20 on leap attack baby! | |
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jooquase
Warrior
272 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 10:46 AM |
| | I also say HH, they are not so good in singles, they only work if you have multiple on the board. | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 11:54 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jooquase
I also say HH, they are not so good in singles, they only work if you have multiple on the board.
Heh, I tend to think the other way around. I'd say its better to use one or two, instead of 3-4. [:p] | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 05/09/2006 3:28 PM |
| | Gauth - DCs are extremely low on his abilities and he dies rather easily. | |
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 05/09/2006 3:53 PM |
| | HHs for sure. | |
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Blunt Claymore
Sneak
78 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 5:18 PM |
| | I'm on the HH bandwagon (me2 me2 me2). With so much traffic made up of Marut/Coualt/Aramils, HH's are down to 5 or 0 damage per hit. What's challenging about that? | |
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Shiva_0
Sneak
79 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 5:49 PM |
| Someone else made a joke about it, but I will say it for real regardless of the flak I may get: Wardrummer.
I'm sorry, I havn't seen him save anyone's butt yet; he either gets assassinated or the squad is just crushed regardless of his abilities. Don't get me wrong, he's a great utility for CE, but I just think he is WAY overrated and I'm tired of hearing about him. | |
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warchanter
Sergeant
394 Posts
Italy
| | 05/09/2006 5:57 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
No one seriously considers Drizzt to be a good piece.
ah... well... actually, I do. [:)] | |
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Zozo
Warrior
218 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 6:30 PM |
| | I hate to say it, but HGB. | |
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Frost-Bitten
Sergeant
677 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 6:35 PM |
| | I might have to say HGB...my uncle ran one and got stomped by some helmed horrors...they never missed and he never hit..that simple | |
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Frost-Bitten, there's more to life (and DDM) than LG!
Frost-Bitten:
More to life than LG... that is like saying there is more to Lucky Charms than the marshmallows!!!!!!!! | |
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Tried
Sergeant
501 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 7:31 PM |
| Heh.
I'd say Kobold miner, but likely wouldn't score any points for it. He can work, but only in numbers as part of a high act band.
The "next" over-rated mini will be the sacred watcher.
Wait for it..... [:)] | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 8:15 PM |
| | Really I think the only strong reason to stay away from the kobold miner is he often costs you 5 damage on an opposing HGB. | |
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Narcissus
Warrior
197 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 8:40 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tried
The "next" over-rated mini will be the sacred watcher.
Wait for it..... [:)]
Wha!!?!?!??!?!?!??! [:0]
Would you care to elaborate or is this smoke and mirrors [)] | |
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Narcissus
Warrior
197 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 8:41 PM |
| | Ahh, sorry I missed the context. The "next" over-rated mini. I get it... [)] | |
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rhane
Underboss
1412 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 9:12 PM |
| Hmmm...no votes for the Dwarf Artificer, huh?
Almost every new player falls instantly in love with the Artificer. There are certainly a few situations where an Artificer makes sense. However, I think he's almost always a mistake. | |
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Fearfrost
Sergeant
518 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 9:15 PM |
| | My experiance with the HGB is limited but I would have to say he was not the monster I was expecting. Yes he hits hard as heck but with ac17 and 150 hp he can be taken down buy most beaters in a round(assuming full attacks) | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 05/09/2006 9:26 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by rhane
Hmmm...no votes for the Dwarf Artificer, huh?
Almost every new player falls instantly in love with the Artificer. There are certainly a few situations where an Artificer. However, I think he's almost always a mistake.
I'm sticking with my original vote of Gauth, but I have to agree with this one.
The DA is a decent piece, but after he uses LSF and GMW, he's usually useless. | |
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JohnnyFive
Warrior
207 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 9:33 PM |
| My picks (by faction) are:
LG: Cleric of Dol Arrah
He has some nice abilities, and commander 7 is nice, but meh. Cleric of Order has supplanted him entirely in the current meta.
LE: Helmed Horror
Waaay to easy to nerf in the current meta.
CG: Greenfang Druid
Another nice piece that just doesn't do anything in the tournament scene. You show me a truly competitive CG band built around the GFD, and I'll gladly change my answer, but until then ...
CE: Orc Warrior
A magnificent piece, no doubt. The best fodder piece in the game, for sure. So why is he overrated? Because, he's a fodder piece!! | |
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Shiva_0
Sneak
79 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 9:46 PM |
| | I accept your challenge Johnny! How about the Greenfang Druid with 3 Chimera. My regular sparring partner came up with it, and though I havn't played against it yet, frankly, I find it scary just to look at :( | |
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azov_praetorian
Skirmisher
29 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 8:41 PM |
| | gonna lynch my sellf and say chraal, Helmed Horror, Steelheart, Gulgar | |
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