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jos1-1
Sergeant
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 | | 05/10/2006 8:51 PM |
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Originally posted by rhane
Hmmm...no votes for the Dwarf Artificer, huh?
Almost every new player falls instantly in love with the Artificer. There are certainly a few situations where an Artificer makes sense. However, I think he's almost always a mistake.
thing is he's not over rated.
But i think your 100% right... i mean i thought he was a godly tech mini when i first started playing :P
AND!! I think he is WAY more useful now a days with the massive amounts of maruts and HH's | |
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rhane
Underboss
1412 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 9:00 PM |
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Originally posted by jos1-1
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Originally posted by rhane
Hmmm...no votes for the Dwarf Artificer, huh?
Almost every new player falls instantly in love with the Artificer. There are certainly a few situations where an Artificer makes sense. However, I think he's almost always a mistake.
thing is he's not over rated.
But i think your 100% right... i mean i thought he was a godly tech mini when i first started playing :P
AND!! I think he is WAY more useful now a days with the massive amounts of maruts and HH's
I'm still not convinced....he is speed 4, only has 30 HP, and requires touch to Rust Construct. A single swipe from a HH and hes checking morale, and a single swipe from a Marut nets a quick 21 points. Anyway...YMMV | |
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rhane
Underboss
1412 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 9:18 PM |
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Originally posted by IanB
Really I think the only strong reason to stay away from the kobold miner is he often costs you 5 damage on an opposing HGB.
...plus the chance that you may run into Shuluth, and they can be a quick snack for him.
I like Kobold Miners in 3s...but in 1s or 2s, I typically go a different route. Still, you will rarely find a better upside to a 3 point mini, outside of an Orc Warrior scoring a critical! | |
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Tried
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501 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 9:54 PM |
| The KM routs regardless of whether he is hit or not. I find it is almost alway a mistake to use him in a reg warband, as you will quickly find yourself in an activation hole.
The vague ref to the SW above reflects the inevitable meta against the piece. I think it will be Chraal-like insofar as it will be a highly flexible/survivable denial type piece. But DDMers are smart, and will quickly adjust - either on their own, or after they see a band adjust in a qual....
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Damien the Bloodfeaster
Sergeant
885 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 05/11/2006 3:11 PM |
| I agree that the Kobold Miner is a bit overrated--routs too easily, and even if you deny your opponent victory points, you still end up losing an activation. As a first round victory point grabber, on the maps just about every scoring victory area leaves the KM wide open to attack by the opponent, and with the near-auto rout I've found that he has never yet scored a single victory point for me.
However, my pick for the most overrated is the Orc Champion. That guy just routs too easily. Even with the Orc Wardrummer doing his save-boosting drumbeat, he routs on me far, far too often for his cost. He is easily hit as well, and his attack bonus isn't good enough to be reliable, especially with all the high-AC figures out there these days. | | | |
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DinoBen
Sergeant
412 Posts
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| | 05/11/2006 3:28 PM |
| Chraal.
Let me explain. Though they've proven to be a great mini when piloted by some of the best players around, the fact is you need to be one of the best players around to pull off this band. One mistake and any worthwhile opponent will assassinate the commander to which they're tied - game over. That's why they're overrated. | |
Champion of all things Athasian
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 05/11/2006 4:19 PM |
| Balor.
On paper he seems like a world-class beater, but in practice he is a bit of a glass-canon. I dropped one in just two rounds with a pair of skullcrusher ogres. | |
Champion of the Gelatinous Cube. Nemesis of Gnomes and Dinosaurs.
Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. ~ Terry Pratchett | |
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JohnnyFive
Warrior
207 Posts
| | 05/13/2006 10:06 PM |
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Originally posted by Shiva_0
I accept your challenge Johnny! How about the Greenfang Druid with 3 Chimera. My regular sparring partner came up with it, and though I havn't played against it yet, frankly, I find it scary just to look at :(
It sounds nice on paper, but waaaaaaaaaaaaay too few activations to be competitive. Two and some fodder (maybe 3 GCRs and an extra wolf?), might make for a fun warband when playing in your local meta, but on a national scale, it probably wouldn't cut it with all the high-HP creatures and constructs running around.
You keep working on it, though. :) | |
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Dagni
Sergeant
870 Posts
| | 05/14/2006 2:48 AM |
| Hmm, from reading the thread, I'll note the Dwarf Artificer seems a little overrated to me, and the Kobold Miner is a lot overrated, in my opinion. I want my fodder to live to see round 2, even if it costs me 3 points later.
Someone mentioned the Orc Warrior, and I might even pick him as the MOST overrated mini in the game.
Why?
Because he once was the BEST mini in the game, and he's so far from it now.
The other poster that brought it up called him the best fodder piece in the game, but said that no fodder can be all that great. Neither of those things are particularly true, in my opinion. Maybe the second one, but I think that although fodder isn't nearly as important as it used to be, it's still got pretty significant value. Not Orc Warriors though. The best fodder piece in the game right now, by far, is the Hyena. Every other faction has to pay an entire extra point for the same thing.
Orc Warriors aren't even very good anymore. More Lawful figures that the Orc can't hit, and 4 fewer Orc Warriors per warband means that when a couple of them die right away... there are none left! So even against Frenzied Berserkers Orc Warriors don't do much in 8 figure limit.
Orc Warriors are among the weaker fodder pieces in the game right now, I think. I'd rather have the Xeph for a 3 pt unit, and way rather have a Hyena or Timber Wolf if I can afford the points. Even Warrior Skeletons can be better than Orc Warriors sometimes.
Before being reminded of the Orc Warrior, I think I'd nominate Death Slaad as the most overrated. That's only a guess - I still haven't used him ever, nor faced him often enough, but even in a Lawful-heavy metagame I think he's considered to be much better than he really is.
Yes, I know a Death Slaad was in the winning band at MI, and a Slaadi band got second overall. I didn't say they sucked, I just think they're not nearly as good as people seem to think.
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