Foxman
Sergeant
417 Posts
    
Calgary, AB, Canada
 | | 05/09/2006 12:31 PM |
| What do you think of this Marut hate band?
Warforged Scout LG 8
Standardbearer LG 10
Healer LG/CG 12
Aramil, Adventurer LG/CG 13
Dwarf Artificer LG 21
Cleric of Order LG 24 Cmdr 5
Couatl LG 42 Cmdr 0
Gold Dragon LG 70
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200p/8a
Stratgy:
Buffs: Cleric gives major resistance to dragon. Artificer gives greater NW and legions shield of faith.
Dwarf artificer can rust contstruct, Aramil can nerf and dragon can weaken cone, couatl gives resist energy 10 - Marut down to 5 damage per hit if all goes well...
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forkedmoon
Underboss
1305 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 12:36 PM |
| And then who hits him? Maybe I am missing something but I don't see much damage output potential. Your opponents warforged bodyguard would be the hardest hitting figure in either team if it worked?
Great use of damage reduction choices but not sure if there is enough to eliminate opponent with after. | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 12:36 PM |
| Mmmm so it all relies on the gold dragon hitting the marut? and the artificer getting there alive?
If your playing a friend and you know he is bringing a marut... MAYBE this might work. But otherwise this is just alot of buff/debuff and a gold dragon. | |
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EldritchSoul
Warrior
324 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 12:42 PM |
| there's lots of nerf there, however, you still have nobody consistently dealing damage to the marut, and that "if all goes well" is a very big if, contingent on a great many things going well for you, not the least of which is your opponent's own aramil rendering your dragon just as impotent as his marut (more likely than his marut getting nerfed to the extent you're looking for) so you've spent your points on nerfing one of his pieces... what about the justice archon or trio of sacred watchers he's got? you have only 2 pieces that are even respectable in combat, the dragon and the couatl. both are still *hoping* to hit a marut. the rest of your team are soft targets.
now, this is not to say that the marut won't be rendered almost useless, it's a VERY potent marut nerf, the problem then becomes the rest of the warband. | |
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Foxman
Sergeant
417 Posts
Calgary, AB, Canada
| | 05/09/2006 12:43 PM |
| Sit on a victory tile with the dragon or chase down his fodder with the dragon leaving him with nothing to hit with.
Game is won on points - not killing the marut
The Marut is slow and could be kept running around the board after the dragon
and the dragon if nerfed by the ray, yes is doing less damage.
Still after GMW its doing +14/+9/+9 (15 Magic/10 Magic/10 Magic) - great for wacking fodder and a 20 fire damage cone isnt too bad either... | |
It would be very unlikely for unlikely events not to occur.
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Eliminator53
Sergeant
628 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 1:05 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Foxman
Sit on a victory tile with the dragon or chase down his fodder with the dragon leaving him with nothing to hit with.
Game is won on points - not killing the marut
The Marut is slow and could be kept running around the board after the dragon
and the dragon if nerfed by the ray, yes is doing less damage.
Still after GMW its doing +14/+9/+9 (15 Magic/10 Magic/10 Magic) - great for wacking fodder and a 20 fire damage cone isnt too bad either...
Just hopefully the strategy doesn't work in reverse. If you kill all of his fodder and you kill all of his he's still winning (not counting assault points).
Maybe w/ out the dragon it would work better, like w/ a Justicator or Dragon Samurai maybe. | |
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Helzapoppn
Warrior
258 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 1:19 PM |
| You want a pure hate band vs. Marut/Couatl/Bodyguard?
Go with the Slaadi. For example (right off the top of my head):
Death Slaad
Blue Slaad x 2
Orc Wardrummer
Tiefling Captain
Hyena
Orc Warrior
200/7
Slaadi are Immune Sonic -- effectively nerfing the Marut right there -- and their Chaos Hammers ignore the Coautl's Commander Effect (assuming you get by the Marut's Spell Resistance).
Slaad bands won't do too well against most other bands -- notable exception being GAS -- but it accomplishes its stated mission.
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RJCarrot
Skirmisher
32 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 1:24 PM |
| Could always try gulgars, they are immune to sonic making maruts 30 damage into 20.
Hes got two attacks for decent damage, you would have to find a better way to help him hit at +14/+9 (I think it is). | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 1:51 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Helzapoppn
Slaad bands won't do too well against most other bands -- notable exception being GAS -- but it accomplishes its stated mission.
I have never lost to slaads while running GAS. | |
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Felagund
Sergeant
922 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 2:14 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
I have never lost to slaads while running GAS.
But how much of that is due to player skill?
The only time I faced Gith Monks while running Slaadi was vs. sienar. Though I lost, the dice were so horribly against me that it would be hard to tell who the matchup favored. | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 2:29 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Felagund
quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
I have never lost to slaads while running GAS.
But how much of that is due to player skill?
The only time I faced Gith Monks while running Slaadi was vs. sienar. Though I lost, the dice were so horribly against me that it would be hard to tell who the matchup favored.
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Zoons
Underboss
1067 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 3:40 PM |
| | True. But you play DDM pretty well.[:p] | |
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Helzapoppn
Warrior
258 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 5:30 PM |
| I suppose GAS vs. Slaadi depends on who gets their "gimmick" in first -- the Chaos Hammers or the Unavoidable Strikes. With the Wardrummer you can't count on a Slaad failing a morale check (or the Young Master making his, as his +4 Save is offset by Intimidating Beat).
But I digress.
All I was saying was, Slaadi = Marut Hate. | |
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Newtoncain
Commander
2985 Posts
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| | 05/09/2006 5:47 PM |
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 8:26 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Helzapoppn
I suppose GAS vs. Slaadi depends on who gets their "gimmick" in first -- the Chaos Hammers or the Unavoidable Strikes. With the Wardrummer you can't count on a Slaad failing a morale check (or the Young Master making his, as his +4 Save is offset by Intimidating Beat).
But I digress.
All I was saying was, Slaadi = Marut Hate.
Unfortunately, the Slaadi just aren't good enough to guarantee the win. I squared off against them in the first round of the Atlanic Cup championship playing a Marut band ripe for the picking. The problem is, in a match of equals, it's still pretty "doable" to play around those Chaos Hammers. Heck, with a Cleric of Order, the save is cake for the Couatl and Marut. Spread the damage to just one other figure (say for example, sacrifice a spent Mialee or Jozan) and absorb the others with the Marut or Couatl.
On the other hand, in many test matches, GAS was a rough matchup, every time. I was consistently losing the Marut, the Couatl, or the Bodyguard in the 2nd round of every match thanks to unavoidable strike. The other advantage GAS has is significantly better metagame matchups against all the other bands.
You want straight Marut hate, play GAS. | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 8:51 PM |
| | Except Helmed Horrors and Chraals. | |
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 9:12 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
Except Helmed Horrors and Chraals.
Right, billions of them in Utah.
And "top players" would tell you that LE just "isn't quite as good" in some circles. That's the debate raging in the other forum right: Why didn't a very tiny selection of "top" players play LE. I could go into a LONG diatribe about group dynamics and the power of persuasion in exclusive circles. But I won't bore you. ;)
Of course, I watched the largest tournament of the year, with 53 very good players slugging it out that didn't give a damn about the " opinion" of the metagame. And holy crud, LE is still strong.
I agree, that's what "I" chose the Marut, I knew GAS wouldn't survive swiss against an efficient field with LE. In my "humble opinion" LE IS very good and will show itself at qualifiers. Of course, the Marut still kicks the crap out of LE too. Hence, good LG for me, and GAS gets the boot. It'll still win some big games, and the great monk players will do well--especially as more Marut bands show up. | |
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Shadow_Fox
Underboss
1751 Posts
Litchfield, MN
| | 05/09/2006 9:54 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kiddoc
quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
Except Helmed Horrors and Chraals.
Right, billions of them in Utah.
And "top players" would tell you that LE just "isn't quite as good" in some circles. That's the debate raging in the other forum right: Why didn't a very tiny selection of "top" players play LE. I could go into a LONG diatribe about group dynamics and the power of persuasion in exclusive circles. But I won't bore you. ;)
Of course, I watched the largest tournament of the year, with 53 very good players slugging it out that didn't give a damn about the " opinion" of the metagame. And holy crud, LE is still strong.
I agree, that's what "I" chose the Marut, I knew GAS wouldn't survive swiss against an efficient field with LE. In my "humble opinion" LE IS very good and will show itself at qualifiers. Of course, the Marut still kicks the crap out of LE too. Hence, good LG for me, and GAS gets the boot. It'll still win some big games, and the great monk players will do well--especially as more Marut bands show up.
Kiddoc is right on the money here and this hearkens back to the conversation we were having in vassal the other day, doubtofbuddah.
There is a revolving door in the meta: X beats Y so Y wont EVER show up anywhere and Z beats X so that means X AND Y will NEVER show up again right? Wrong.
If X is gone then the door is open to Y again. But a lot of people make the mistake of thinking that since X beats Y and Z beats X that both bands are out the door. That is just not the case.
How many people would say that standard CE quad is viable in todays meta? Not many. But who's meta is it? If Helmed Horros Keep down CE but CE can handle Marut, what happens when Helmed Horrors dont show up? Is CE still a nonviable option?
This exact situation occured at the last tourny here in MN. I was running Marut and stomped on two HH bands (the only two in a tourny of about 16). In round 3 I got obliderated by a GAS band and in round 4 I got massacred by Newtoncain piloting a dual orc champ dual umberhulk band. These bands used their superior speed to dance around maruts while dodging the very low Helmed Horror turn out (they counted on maruts to beat them!). CE was very viable that day with Bonepinhimer landing 2nd with an LRD band and Newtoncain pulling off I think 4th (help me out here Jason). First place went to GAS.
I pose the theory that the only real meta that exsists is the one that forms when players sit down at their tables at a tournament. This means that predicting what players will bring to the table is a very important factor for success in today's DDM tournement scene.
EDIT: Something else that was ammusing is that when you cite the EU champs as an example people tend to scoff at you becaue Europe has a "weak meta" in many eyes. They dont say it but a lot of people think it. | |
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 10:18 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Shadow_Fox
EDIT: Something else that was ammusing is that when you cite the EU champs as an example people tend to scoff at you becaue Europe has a "weak meta" in many eyes. They dont say it but a lot of people think it.
Jason, I appreciate your courage in bringing this up. I get the same impression, which is sad. The truth is though, that I also suspected this before I went there. I'm an empiricist at heart, and that's my nature. Call it the language barrier, call it ethnocentrism, call it anything you want, so long as you call it "pre-judice:" Pre judgment. I assumed before I had actually seen them play.
Well, I saw them play. I watched over 200 games played that weekend. I've played the best in the world and beaten them. I've also been crushed by them. I know high level play when I see it. I've been involved in the process of both judging, playing, and designing figures for high level tournament play. These guys are just as good.
You know what else I realized: These guys invented boardgames. I played against guys that have top 10000 world rankings in Chess. Some are international champions in other strategy games. You know how long Chess has been around? Know how many international players there are. Magic: The Gathering is tiddlywinks by comparison. They are scary good gamers. DDM might be newer to them, but gaming is in their blood.
Pre-judge and underestimate them at your own risk. Some people that were not there to witness IN PERSON the skill of these folks, may dismiss their warband choices or the "EU metagame." Truth is, maybe these guys are just good enough to pull it off.
You might catch a game or two against them on vassal. But until you've played against them en-masse, on their own turf, in a metagame they control and understand, dismissing them as "lesser" or "inferior" players is pure foolishness. | |
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Newtoncain
Commander
2985 Posts
Land of 10,000 taxes
| | 05/09/2006 10:26 PM |
| I tied for 4th-5th. Angus and I had the same record and tie breakers, but the software put me on top.
1st went to LG
2nd went to CE
3rd went to LE
4th/5th went to CE/LG
It's all about what shows up at your qualifier and the matchups your warband draws.
BTW-we had only 1 duel HGB warband piloted by a rookie 11yr old show up.
IMO, all factions are close (close, not totally even) to even.
Sure you can whine about CG, but IIRC CG won in the UK.
TO date, the supposedly 2 weaker factions are the only ones to win a qualifier[:0], CG and CE. But only 2 tournements to judge by. Give it until June to see how the National Meta shakes out.
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 10:56 PM |
| | Yes, you are right. Marut/Couatl definitely loses ALL the time vs. Monks and CE Beaters. Excuse me for disagreeing. | |
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Shadow_Fox
Underboss
1751 Posts
Litchfield, MN
| | 05/09/2006 11:06 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
Yes, you are right. Marut/Couatl definitely loses ALL the time vs. Monks and CE Beaters. Excuse me for disagreeing.
No one has ever said that. The only thing Im doing is proposing theory. Nothing loses to anything all of the time. I know youre using Hyperbole here but lets be real for a minute.
Right now so many people are vehemately (sp?) holding onto the status quo. People who question the status quo are usually scoffed at and disregarded as being, how can I say it nicely, "not very intelligent and thus is not a "top player"".
People used to think the world was flat until enough people questioned the status quo.
Am I going to catch flack for saying that the chaotics might not be as dead as people are making them out to be? Sure. Am I saying that the chaotics dont have higher varience then the lawfuls? Not at all. By their very nature they are less reliable. Am I saying that the chaotics are Tier 1 and will win every qualifier? Of course not.
I like to pose theory that causes people to look at things at a different angle and maybe see something new they hadnt seen before. I would just like it if people didnt imply I was an idiot for thinking that the chaotics just might have a chance in todays game. I also dont like it when someone implies Im a bad player because I lost to a certain faction. | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 11:09 PM |
| | Sorry. The sarcasm wasn't neccessary. I agree. CE Quad and LG monks will regular beat Marut/Couatl. | |
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Shadow_Fox
Underboss
1751 Posts
Litchfield, MN
| | 05/09/2006 11:12 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
Sorry. The sarcasm wasn't neccessary. I agree. CE Quad and LG monks will regular beat Marut/Couatl.
Im sorry, Jesse, I just dont see where youre comming from here. Im sorry you seem to be upset about something. Ive learned from my past mistakes and realize this is the point where I need to stop talking because this is obviously pushing buttons for some reason.
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 11:15 PM |
| | You are misreading my statements. I just see no reason to argue the point, because I don't have enough empirical data to really go with my previous statements. So until then I will just agree with you, because I can see where you are coming from in regards to your stances. | |
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Daniel_Tick
Warrior
220 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 12:14 AM |
| OK, disagreements aside, what do you guys think about a anti-Marut/Coualt build using the Aspect of Kord replacing the Marut?
He's pretty solid, the CoO will grant a +15 morale check, and with his speed and a decent attack bonus he can hit the Marut twice and have some efficient spellcaster to bring him down or even a light second beater. Something like this:
Coualt
Cleric of Order
Aspect of Kord
Gith Monk
Aramil
Healer
Timber Wolf x2
Without the Bodyguard next to Marut, this warbad's speed can bring the construct down in the 2nd round (specially if it wins iniciative), before even get touched.
I don't disagree with all of you who are going to say "Well... but that sucks against the other warbands you will face in the current metagame.", but is still a pretty good match-up, right? | |
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 12:16 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Shadow_Fox
quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
Sorry. The sarcasm wasn't neccessary. I agree. CE Quad and LG monks will regular beat Marut/Couatl.
Im sorry, Jesse, I just dont see where youre comming from here. Im sorry you seem to be upset about something. Ive learned from my past mistakes and realize this is the point where I need to stop talking because this is obviously pushing buttons for some reason.
Man, I was confused as heck there for a minute. I had no idea if Jesse was being serious or not. He usually has a brilliant sense of humor (which I admit, I take advantage of far too often)), but damn if that wasn't blunt.
I think I'm somewhat sad at the emotional toll that qualifiers has taken on people. Secrecy, purposeful obfuscation, misleading statements, "half-joking" parodies, and stripping entire venues of their DCI history. It's been an odd start to this qualifier season.
While I'm happy for the competitiveness, it also makes me VERY glad that like last year, I just don't give a damn. I was able to expose both the major metagame, and my personal warband choices because I wasn't burdened by the process. I felt the larger competitive gain was bigger than my own personal gain (because for me, there was none), and so that kind of kept me above the politics of it all.
So here's my caution/lament/hope for the rest of you caught up in this. It is still just a game. I just flew across a major ocean, 3295 nautical miles, to play a game. That didn't make it any more serious, nor any less fun. I never dreamt I'd be making trans-oceanic flights for the love of a game. I did realize, while there, that if I didn't enjoy it, and play for fun, and act as a good ambassador, I'd never be asked to return, and the game wouldn't flourish the way I hoped.
So, don't get too caught up in the hype. In the end, the championship will judge all. It always does. But no matter how fantastic, or awful you do, you'll remember most of all the relationships you've made, the people you've met, and the fun you've had. There's a lot more to fun in this game than just winning. | |
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Fearfrost
Sergeant
518 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 12:26 AM |
| | One odd thing I have noticed is with all the talk of the Marut being the "band to beat", I have yet to see it played in my local area. No idea why but it just isn't so I just try to build a genrally strong band not geared to any specific threat. | |
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Kithmaker
Commander
3926 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 12:30 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Newtoncain
I tied for 4th-5th. Angus and I had the same record and tie breakers, but the software put me on top.
Were they placed in alphabetical order by last name? I've seen that happen for absolute ties -- sucks for those of use with names starting with letters near the end of the alphabet... | |
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Teflon Jeff
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7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 05/10/2006 12:46 AM |
| I heartily second exactly what Kiddoc is saying. I went to the Utah qualifier, and I think I was the only one to actually finish with a losing record (2-4, for those keeping score). I could have bagged it up and made the lengthy travel home at any time. I had no intention of winning, or quitting. I love the game, and it was a joyous opportunity to be able to play at all. I have no player's within 100 miles of me. I play serious DDM exactly 4 times a year. 2 prereleases (my anniversary is the end of october, so that one's usually out in the future) and 2, maybe 3 qualifiers if I'm lucky. (this year, 2 constructed, 1 limited) I went to UT with 2 ideas in mind.
1. Have a dang good time, and meet some nice DDM players.
2. Learn a lot about warband construction.
I have no "meta" to speak of, so this was a chance to see what the field brings, and what I would like to bring to the ID qualifier. This is where I planned to be "competitive" so to speak. But even then, I'll still have a good time. After the last prerelease, 4 of the top 5 guys all went out to dinner together, including me, an out-of-towner. If you can't do that at the end of a tournament, you might be taking the game too seriously. It is still a game.
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 12:50 AM |
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Originally posted by Teflon Jeff
I heartily second exactly what Kiddoc is saying. I went to the Utah qualifier, and I think I was the only one to actually finish with a losing record (2-4, for those keeping score). I could have bagged it up and made the lengthy travel home at any time. I had no intention of winning, or quitting. I love the game, and it was a joyous opportunity to be able to play at all. I have no player's within 100 miles of me. I play serious DDM exactly 4 times a year. 2 prereleases (my anniversary is the end of october, so that one's usually out in the future) and 2, maybe 3 qualifiers if I'm lucky. (this year, 2 constructed, 1 limited) I went to UT with 2 ideas in mind.
1. Have a dang good time, and meet some nice DDM players.
2. Learn a lot about warband construction.
I have no "meta" to speak of, so this was a chance to see what the field brings, and what I would like to bring to the ID qualifier. This is where I planned to be "competitive" so to speak. But even then, I'll still have a good time. After the last prerelease, 4 of the top 5 guys all went out to dinner together, including me, an out-of-towner. If you can't do that at the end of a tournament, you might be taking the game too seriously. It is still a game.
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 12:57 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
But you can take the game seriuously and still have a blast. They are not mutually exclusive.
True-dat. See my 8-1 record for that weekend.
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
960 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 05/10/2006 1:00 AM |
| Well... but that sucks against the other warbands you will face in the current metagame.
Just Kidding!!!! [:D]
Well, is all in your dice, if you heal in the right time AoK with the Healer, you have some possibility, but what about Warforged Bodyguard? | |
Againts the Giants Called Shot: Cattie Bri.
Dungeon of Dread Called Shot: Cockatrice.
Todas las batallas en la vida sirven para enseñarnos algo, inclusive aquellas que perdemos. Paulo Coehlo
"DnD teaches you a valuable lesson, always loot the bodies of your dead enemies"
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EldritchSoul
Warrior
324 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 1:18 AM |
| Back on topic...
Since the only 4 figures crucial to the nerfing are the dragon, the couatl, artificer, and aramil, why not swap out the other pieces for something that works as a hitter, like justice archon, or sacred watchers? you'd have 64 points to spend of 4 figures
Justice Archon
Sacred Watcher
mialee
you'd only have 7 activations, but you'd have another magic weapon (for the sacred watcher) and some threats that could help deal with your opponent's army. | |
Champion of Dracotaur- Vindicated!
T32 | |
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elder_basilisk
Sergeant
410 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 1:40 AM |
| | Marut hate band? 5 Zakya Rakshasas and 3 activations of filler. It may do poorly against everything else, but that's 75 damage worth of +34 attacks. Coincidentally, Maruts have 75 hit points, so most of the time, the marut will die in the engagement round. And after the marut is gone, the coatl and what's left won't be able to deal with the rest of the Zakyas (you figure on losing one to a swing+snake's swiftness swing+failed morale check in the engagement round). | |
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The Defenestrator
AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 1:54 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kiddoc
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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
But you can take the game seriuously and still have a blast. They are not mutually exclusive.
True-dat. See my 8-1 record for that weekend.
The danger is when you let one define the other too much (in either direction) or you have no clear boundary between the two.
Your right to a point, but that is the nature of all games. I am one of the most laid back people in the world when it comes to losing generally. Doubly so if its something I know I'm not very good at. There are ways that changes (the other players attitude etc) but overall, its all a game, none of it changes my wife, my life, my school, nothing. But thats me (and here is the to the point part), some people have fun only when they win, some people have fun only when they are trying new and crazy things etc. Fun is what we make it. My football teams new coach (good ole Herm Edwards) once had a nice rant about football that basically summed down to "we play the game to win, end of story, thats sports."
There is a weird balance of being part of the community and winning, but it's not new to this game at all. I think sometimes it comes across as confrontational because we are so use to having a massivly open community. But I don't see a problem with it, you don't show the other team your playbook, you make calls in the huddle etc. But im off topic, and rambling, back to finishing this stupid paper for Sociology of Culture. | |
Im out- find me on Hordelings if you want to chat. | |
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Avatar of the Tank
Newtoncain
Commander
2985 Posts
Land of 10,000 taxes
| | 05/10/2006 6:15 AM |
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Originally posted by Kithmaker
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Originally posted by Newtoncain
I tied for 4th-5th. Angus and I had the same record and tie breakers, but the software put me on top.
Were they placed in alphabetical order by last name? I've seen that happen for absolute ties -- sucks for those of use with names starting with letters near the end of the alphabet...
I don't think so, his last name is before mine. | |
They just don't know what's good in life...Conan, tell them what is good in life.
To rip the boosters. To count the minis spilled out before you, and to hear the indifference of the women... | |
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Urban Druid
Warrior
253 Posts
| | 05/10/2006 11:28 AM |
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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
...some people have fun only when they win, some people have fun only when they are trying new and crazy things etc...
And then there's me, who's only having fun when I'm trying new and crazy things and winning with them...! Looks like I'm pretty screwed. [:p] [)] | |
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Foxman
Sergeant
417 Posts
Calgary, AB, Canada
| | 05/10/2006 11:28 AM |
| hmmm methinks my thread got hijacked heh - sok
There was a time, not to long ago, when everybody was talking about how Dual HGB were the top contenders, that all the builds were focused on how to beat them. I wrote up some articles and said time and again that they were too high of variance to effectively compete. I did say I wouldnt be supprised to see it win a qualifer but only due to luck (which from the sounds of it, thats what happened).
I'll say it now - Marut is strong, but speed kills and the marut just doesnt have enough hit points and requires far too careful politing to be a dominiating tier 1 warband - it can win games but its not "the build to beat".
The weakness is the fact that the Marut/bodyguard/coutal need to stay all pretty much in base to base contact to be effective, and there's not enough points left over afterwards. Its far to easy to neturlize with careful politing.
I started this thread out in fun, because I like puzzles and etc. and wanted to see what people thought of it.
Right now there are several good Rock/paper/sissor warbands out there. Marut is just one of them, nothing to see move along ;)
Oh and the AoK replacing the Marut - not so good.... Marut has fearless and blindsight - cant make up for that compairing to AoK ;)
I'm trying to convince my wife to let me go to the qualifier in Edmonton - its likely the only one I can go to, but its on our wedding anverseriy ;) heh we'll see what happens.
If I go, I'm looking at this warband....
Green Dragon
Skullsplitter
4 Drugar Champs
Choice of:
-2 Timber wolves
-1 blue/1 timber wolf
-2 blue
Now if only I could get some time to practice it (sigh) | |
It would be very unlikely for unlikely events not to occur.
- J. A. Paulos "Innumeracy" | |
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