Cormulan
Sergeant
533 Posts
    
 | | 05/17/2006 4:25 AM |
| Which mini do you really want to build a tourney class warband out of, only to find that:
1) The synergy just isn't there.
2) You get torn up by the Tier 3 opposition.
3) If only it had x, y or z, then it would rock.
Open slather for responses, just kinda interested in what minis people think 'coulda been the next contender'.
For me it is the Scorpion Clan Drow Fighter. The warband concept is really cool - range 6 skirmish warfare, throw in a bit of ranged sneak attack and hide and you can hit hard then fade away...
The only problem is that if you are inside range 6 - then the Beater X that you just stung with a 10-15 damage attack saunters over and pretty much routs / outright kills one of your minis per hit. | |
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Pegasus Knight
Sergeant
896 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 5:40 AM |
| | Aasimar Favored Soul. If it did a little more melee damage or had better spells, it'd be worth its 20 points. Sound Burst is nearly worthless in the 200/8 format, why couldn't it have been a good spell like Resist Energy, Summon Monster II, or even Spiritual Weapon? | |
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 5:57 AM |
| | Red Wizard. I would love, love, LOVE to be able to build a Tier-1 warband around him, but he is just too damn squishy. LE needs a good bodyguard mini with tons of hit points for him to work. | |
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Eliminator53
Sergeant
628 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 6:30 AM |
| | The Death Knight. Just costs to freeking much for the abilities you get. Great piece though. | |
Champion of Tavern Stripper
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nycfarmkid
Underboss
1210 Posts
Wadsworth, OH
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zenthrus
Warlord
5091 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 05/17/2006 6:36 AM |
| | Xorn. Too many good fliers in the meta and Legion's Undeniable Gravity is a bit unreliable. | |
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 6:52 AM |
| | Xill. But I fixed that. It works better now in CG with blonde hair. :P | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 6:56 AM |
| | Loyal Earth Elemental. Its so close to being useful, but lacks something... | |
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Eliminator53
Sergeant
628 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 7:16 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kiddoc
Xill. But I fixed that. It works better now in CG with blonde hair. :P
True, he does look better w/ blonde hair [:p] | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10429 Posts
United States
| | 05/17/2006 8:39 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sammael
Red Wizard. I would love, love, LOVE to be able to build a Tier-1 warband around him, but he is just too damn squishy. LE needs a good bodyguard mini with tons of hit points for him to work.
/tears/, *sniff* me too! I so wish he was better, I like him better than so many of the other spellcasters.
Dave | |
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Wolfgang
Warlord
5559 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 05/17/2006 8:40 AM |
| i would have to say the dragon sam from LG if he cost 15 points less he would rock
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Urban Druid
Warrior
253 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 9:05 AM |
| The Half-giant Psychic Warrior.
The whole move-12-and-drop-40-damaged thing + Cleave would just be wonderful if the darn just had +2 lvl and 10 or 20 more HPs... | |
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Eliminator53
Sergeant
628 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 9:31 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
quote:
Originally posted by Sammael
Red Wizard. I would love, love, LOVE to be able to build a Tier-1 warband around him, but he is just too damn squishy. LE needs a good bodyguard mini with tons of hit points for him to work.
/tears/, *sniff* me too! I so wish he was better, I like him better than so many of the other spellcasters.
Dave
Me too. I used him in a game on Vassal yesterday and needless to say, the HH is the ultimate Red Wizzonator nerf. | |
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Zaukrie
Underboss
2007 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 9:54 AM |
| Gold Champion/Dragon Samaurai in LG.
Centaur Hero in CG.
Lich Necromancer - used to be there, but the constructs...
Aspect of Hextor - seems like is should work, but doesn't yet | |
Fastest dropping DCI ranking on record!
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grifter100
Skirmisher
48 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 10:09 AM |
| | Regdar, Adventurer...played a looong campaign with him as my commander, so I´m really fond of the guy, but CR 2 and Speed 4 make him useless in regular games ;( | |
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Zozo
Warrior
218 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 10:58 AM |
| | I really, really wish the Helmed Horror worked better... So they would ban it! [:P] Just kidding.[:D] I think if the Dolgaunt Monk was just a little better, it would be tier one. Maybe tweak the damage output? | |
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millygoat
Warrior
297 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 11:06 AM |
| Ghasts. What's not to love, undead, paralyzing, stenchy and full of love!
I had hoped that once the difficult 5 became a non-factor that they would magically be viable. Somehow though, the ac 17 30 hp critter for 25 points just doesn't work still. I kept hoping, it's like a Trog, but it can paralyze! Someday Ghasty, someday I'll make your purple self work in a warband.
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 11:07 AM |
| | The Sacred Watcher. If only it hit for 10 magic damage and had 35 hps. If only. [:(] | |
I am not gone. | |
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Daezarkian
Sneak
110 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 11:08 AM |
| | Hezrou: because he looks so darned cool, but for some reason just isn't. | |
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Foxman
Sergeant
417 Posts
Calgary, AB, Canada
| | 05/17/2006 11:10 AM |
| | Aspect of Orcus. I wish he was more playable. | |
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djtool
Sergeant
584 Posts
Crystal MN, USA
| | 05/17/2006 11:40 AM |
| i really wish I could use the ghostly consort or the grim necromancer with pride instead of shame.
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TheDarklion
Sneak
131 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 12:01 PM |
| Thaskor without a doubt.
86 points
Give him 1 of these on teh back of his card and he's playable
Cleave
His energy resistances
Trample!!!
Trample would make him tier 1 belive it. | |
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Thespian
Sergeant
442 Posts
Lethbridge, Alberta
| | 05/17/2006 12:08 PM |
| | Evermeet Wizard. SHe would be exceptional if it were not for the Summoners rule regarding the fact that the all die when the summoners die, and that they summoned creatures arae worth points. I wish they would change this rule. | |
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scruffydude7
Underboss
1196 Posts
Rock Hill, SC
| | 05/17/2006 12:11 PM |
| | The Half Giant Psychic Warrior, although it does work better than a lot of folks give it credit for...with the right support. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3914 Posts
USA
| | 05/17/2006 12:18 PM |
| Barbed Deveil.
Great immunities, AC, HP, and special abilities. But needs more damage and magic damage for cost.
[:(]
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 05/17/2006 12:53 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
The Sacred Watcher. If only it hit for 10 magic damage and had 35 hps. If only. [:(]
That's not enough. It also needs a higher AC and incorporeal should be 15, not 11. I mean, how stupid is that? | |
Champion of the Cleric with Raise Dead | |
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DinoBen
Sergeant
412 Posts
Based outta Games of Berkeley, CA
| | 05/17/2006 12:57 PM |
| Warforged Hero
Attack for 15 Magic! [:(] | |
Champion of all things Athasian
"Don't sing it - Bring it!" | |
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 05/17/2006 1:00 PM |
| The Marut, I mean whats up with its commander attack problem? 6 Clerics of Garl Glittergold tear Marut bands up!
I figured I could jump on the sarcasm band wagon too! | |
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DinoBen
Sergeant
412 Posts
Based outta Games of Berkeley, CA
| | 05/17/2006 1:00 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by BoloBaby
quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
The Sacred Watcher. If only it hit for 10 magic damage and had 35 hps. If only. [:(]
That's not enough. It also needs a higher AC and incorporeal should be 15, not 11. I mean, how stupid is that?
And why doesn't the Sacred Watcher have Dimension Door?!? I mean, c'mon! [:D] | |
Champion of all things Athasian
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sttmxn
Sergeant
461 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 1:00 PM |
| I'm with Kiddoc: Xill. Planewalk is so awesome, but when he finally shows up, the Xill just doesn't cut the mustard.;
Also, Hound Archon. That Dimension Door should be swift.
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Bluedevyl
Warrior
262 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 1:03 PM |
| | For me, it has to be either the Sword of Heironious or the Drow Cleric of Lolth... they were my two favorite figures from the old sets, but every time I try to use them now, especially the DCoL, she just gets torn up by the figs in today's metagame... though the look on some people's faces when I throw it down is can be priceless [:D} | |
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XenoZephyr
Underboss
1083 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 1:05 PM |
| | Lots of choice of course. I'd add Spectre. They'd be nasty if either started off with a bit more HPs or had 2 attacks. | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1500 Posts
Spain
| | 05/17/2006 1:44 PM |
| | No doubt for me:Gold champion.If it only cost 11 points less or has 20 HP more it would be great.But now,with its real status card,its only a poor choice. | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 1:48 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Zaukrie
Gold Champion/Dragon Samaurai in LG.
Centaur Hero in CG.
Lich Necromancer - used to be there, but the constructs...
Aspect of Hextor - seems like is should work, but doesn't yet
And I will add my usual frustration: The Paladin of Torm. - Useful commander effect with the lawful rise but too easy to hit a figure that can't take the beating.
The Half-Giant Psychic Warrior also. Too few HP and attack bouns not good enough for taking a round to "load" your big attack.
And Warforged Hero: 15 Magic Damage would have made the Mephling pull-over more worth it. Dragon Samuari with better attack bonus or 16 points cheaper (half the Mephling) too. Or Gold Champion with +2 level and 5 more HP. | |
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One_Wing
Sergeant
494 Posts
London
| | 05/17/2006 2:05 PM |
| LG: Dwarf Samurai; he just doesn't do anything quite well enough.
CG: Catfolk Wilder; Negates?Negates? What the heck is the point?
LE: Artemis Entreri; I don't know, give him conceal, a few more points of AC, or the abiltiy to sneak attack things that are normally immune, or just 20 more HP and he'd probably be used. As he is, he is sub-par.
CE: Ravenous Vampire: off the top of my head, this has the worst HP to cost ratio of anything non-epic that is meant to fight in melee. And it costs 58 points. Goody. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7617 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 05/17/2006 4:48 PM |
| | I really wish the MDP had 15 more hp, and some level boost. I think at level 8 and 65 hp, he'd be a standard. | |
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The_Duke
Sneak
158 Posts
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PepperWhisperRady
Sneak
143 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 5:42 PM |
| | adventuring wizard, i dont hav 1 but saw 1, give it any suvivibility | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
11587 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 05/17/2006 6:40 PM |
| | I wish the Arcane Archer worked a lot better. This would have been a great core commander to have for CG's ranged units, the way the Tiefling Captain is for CE's heavy hitters. Problem is, it really needs three adjustments. Lower cost, more HP, and 10 magic damage per ranged attack. | |
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Fearfrost
Sergeant
518 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 7:16 PM |
| | Grey Render I just love this guy but to be really competative he would have to loose the commander efx restriction at least magic damage wouldn't hurt either. | |
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