Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss
1085 Posts
    
Southeast PA
 | | 06/02/2006 12:40 PM |
| Well now that we have the list and the pictures - cast your vote as to what piece you think will have the best skirmish stats. Vote for three.
Here are my votes:
1.Storm Archer
2.Tordek, Dwarf Champion
3.Spellscale Sorcerer Goliath Cleric of Kavaki
Actually I change my mind. I think the Goliath Cleric will be a bit better than the Sorcerer. | |
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 12:48 PM |
| | 2 fer sure if he got speed 6 =D | |
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 12:53 PM |
| Here's what I think:
1. Tordek, Dwarf Champion (new ~60 point beater for LG)
2. Goliath Cleric of Kavaki (CG spellcaster/beater. Possibly a commander?)
3. Large Green Dragon (LGDx3 could be hard to beat) | |
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Thespian
Sergeant
442 Posts
Lethbridge, Alberta
| | 06/02/2006 1:07 PM |
| 1. Slaughterstone Eviscerator
2. Storm Archer
3. War Weaver
The tough part will be the magic users....their value always depend on the mix of spells that they are given.... | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 06/02/2006 1:08 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jos1-1
2 fer sure if he got speed 6 =D
He does in fact have speed 6, boots of speed mention in his preview. [:)] | | | |
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Bluedevyl
Warrior
262 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 1:18 PM |
| 1. Tordek (I play too much LG)
2. Slaughterstone Eviscerator
3. Goliath Cleric | |
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 1:30 PM |
| | #4 on my list would've been the Storm Archer: 33 points (I think that's what the preview said...?) for two 15-damage ranged attacks is pretty nice. I just hope it has good AC and HP. | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 1:47 PM |
| 1) Large Green Dragon
2) Tordek
3) War Weaver (if they get the class right) | |
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Thespian
Sergeant
442 Posts
Lethbridge, Alberta
| | 06/02/2006 3:33 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by kgradert13
1) Large Green Dragon
2) Tordek
3) War Weaver (if they get the class right)
I really think that if they stick to the spirit of the War Weaver class, then this guy will have a huge amount of Legion's spells, or some other way to get those off....Legion's Bulls Strength? Legions Magic Weapon? The possibilities are HUGE..... | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 3:42 PM |
| 1)Large Green.. I have the hope
2)Mounted Griffon.. (or whatever it's called) I have the premonition
3)Tordek.. I have the Preview
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 4:33 PM |
| Sorry, only familiar with 200pt play.
1. Hobgoblin Talon of Tiamat; should be the next wardrummer.
2. War Weaver; spell caster in with LG tanks, very dangerous, depends heavily on reportoire.
3. Blackguard on Nightmare; commander, flying mounted melee attack with Chraals, very deadly.
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Dagni
Sergeant
870 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 5:10 PM |
| 1. Large Fang Dragon
2. Blackguard on Nightmare
3. Large Green Dragon
(4. Redspawn Firebelcher)
They're all far from a sure thing, but I think these are among the ones with the highest potential.
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1724 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 5:39 PM |
| | Meepo will singlehandedly revolutionize competitive play. I'm calling it now. | |
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Bluedevyl
Warrior
262 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 5:51 PM |
| | My previous assertions were for 200 point play... if we're talking about 500, I'd have to give some serious consideration to the Tundra Scout... with Trample, Pushback, and AirStrike, he could be a fascinating figure to use, especially if you can squeeze in 2 | |
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orcdoubleax
Sergeant
694 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 5:59 PM |
| small black dragon.[)]
It won't make a huge change it the game, but I betting that it is going to compete with the cursed spirt in its price point
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ShivanWurm
Sergeant
500 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 6:38 PM |
| 1. Large Green Dragon
2. Eldritch Giant(epic play)
3. Hobgoblin Talon of Tiamat | |
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Venport
Sergeant
739 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 7:08 PM |
| | I'm hoping that barny will be good enought that i will want 2 of them just because of the skurmish stats | |
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Mortusbard
Sergeant
427 Posts
North Carolina
| | 06/02/2006 7:08 PM |
| The Goliath Cleric will be good
Tordek might do very well
Lets watch out for the SpellScale it could be awesome.
Large Green Dragon could depend on its points and wacky ability. | |
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ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 7:11 PM |
| Well, it all comes down to points and funky abilities. Maybe the Tavern Brawler gets a save against any damaging attack (bobbing and weaving) that we can't predict ... but, let's talk gut.
The War Weaver has the right stuff. Heroes of Battle, mess of ally-affecting spells. Beyond the basic stuff, the ability to auto-cast some things at start of combat could be HUGE.
Large Green ... well, if they've got the dragons back on track he could be as well.
I'm holding out for a good druid commander. Wardens of the Wood (initiate feat / druids) get Displacement as a 3rd level spell, +2 AC in forest/woods. If it is the Eldeen Ranger route, it would be more of a direct fighter since it would have Ranger + fighter BAB ... it would then have favored enemie(s) (faster accumulation than straight rangers) and improved critical. Something tells me it's a druid though.
Witchknife could combo well w/ the Inspired Lt ... wonder if it has class levels ... | |
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Newtoncain
Commander
2985 Posts
Land of 10,000 taxes
| | 06/02/2006 7:14 PM |
| | The LGD of course. | |
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Aravis
Underboss
1155 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 7:17 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Newtoncain
The LGD of course.
Im wondering if 3x Large Green Dragon would be good? Sounds interesting..
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Thenameless
Warlord
12507 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 06/02/2006 7:22 PM |
| | Well, for sure the Large Green Dragon will have a chance at making some sort of an impact. I hope that some of the CG stuff can fight as well; I'm thinkin' Storm Archer and Goliath Cleric here. | |
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 06/02/2006 7:30 PM |
| 1.) Goliath cleric looks mighty PIMP! hope his stats hold true so I'll vote for him.
2.)Yuanti Scorcerer
3.)Dragon Born Fighter ---- Maybe this is the LG beater | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 06/02/2006 7:34 PM |
| LGD isn't that strong, folks. It has uses, but it isn't a lock.
As for my predicitons for major skirmish pieces:
Yuan-ti halfblood sorcerer. If it has some good utility spells, it could be a major piece...
Redspawn firebelcher. That thing should be a tank with multiple fire cones/blasts (a guess).
Cadaver collector. High hps, high AC, construct, DR, immune to magic, paralyzing cone, cleave, attack for ~25 to 30 damage. This could be a very interesting piece... especially if they manage to implement that impale ability. It will likely have 'requires commander', but I can live with that...
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MechaKingGhidra
Sergeant
632 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 8:02 PM |
| 1) Large Fang Dragon---It's expected to be a skirmash tank due to dragons finally getting whipped into gear and since this thing does damage of dragons a whole category older than itself, the translated skirmish stats should be comparitively impressive except for the fly speed. It'll probably keep my Wyvern company. Oh my goodness! I thought of something terrible. Let's just say I really hope the Wyvern's nature isn't copied. Yeah you guessed right. It's Incited. I can forgive the Wyvern due to it being a beloved creature in RPG and we will always love it no matter how mutilated it becomes by the WotC staff and I don't even know what a Kruthik is, let alone a hatchling so I don't care but if my Fang Dragon is plagued with this ability as well I will be very disappointed in you, WotC. Not mad, just very disappointed....................[:p]
2)Aspect of Tiamat---Nothing needs to be said, really.
3) Mountain Troll---It's apparently the new and improved (by approximately 1 and 1/2) Fomorian so if you double pull these at the pre-release you can probably use the Huge Fiendish Spider promo as well and maybe also a few choice fillers to round it all out.[:D] | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/02/2006 8:04 PM |
| Tavern Brawler.
Why, you ask? Orc Wardrummer was the major player from War Drums. Oddball, non-combatant piece. Tavern Brawler is the oddball, non-combatant piece from DQ. Hmmm.....
Alternately, the Stirge. If it costs 5 points and has blood drain (reduces target creature's maximum HP rather than just dealing damage) it'll be a tiny, flying terror.
Other pieces of possible note: Meepo. He has to do something spiffy, otherwise he'd be 3 point fodder in LE not a rare in LG....
Since there isn't much info apparently forthcoming from the Vesivus leak, that's all my speculation for now (might swift dimension doors on a piece that will likely have 250 hp be game breaking?). | |
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
526 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 11:10 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
Cadaver collector. High hps, high AC, construct, DR, immune to magic, paralyzing cone, cleave, attack for ~25 to 30 damage. This could be a very interesting piece... especially if they manage to implement that impale ability. It will likely have 'requires commander', but I can live with that...
I put my money on this. LE is gonna get a proper titan. This fella is not gonna miss much and his damage output is scary. His cost is kinda high but manageble. It's a construct that's a mage's worst nightmare. | |
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lono
Sneak
61 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 11:40 PM |
| golaith cleric- hopefully a potent caster/beater for CG
Meepo- he's going to have some kind of gamebending special ability related to his "dragonlord" title
Tordek- he'll be the perfect compliment to the AoM in LG bands. | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 06/03/2006 12:09 AM |
| | I dunno, the 2-1 hp/cost ration mentioned for the LGD, along with a nice acid cone and all the assorted goodies sounded fairly nice for LE. If he's got the "same" stats as a LCD or LBD and comes in at 15 pts less, he could be a beast | |
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One_Wing
Sergeant
494 Posts
London
| | 06/03/2006 4:22 AM |
| 1. Slaughterstone eviscerator
2. Ogre skirmisher. Come on, it can attack for 30 and move away, all at melee reach 2 (i assume)
3. Griffon rider. mounted drow patrol was quite good, and that didnt even fly permanently. | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 06/03/2006 5:46 AM |
| 1. Dragon Totem Hero
-Wait, what? It isnt even a WotDQ piece. But the warband building... Thats right, all those great new Dragons will be CG's new best friend. Dual LGD + Rikka, those new small Dragons, the Large Fang Dragon, etc, etc. The possibilities are great. This set will redeem CG.
2. Griffon Cavalry
-Mark my words, its the 40-point CG beater we all want. Possible Ride-by-attack + flying is very CG-styled.
3. Wizened Elder
-Its a CR 2 medium creature in the RPG, but its a rare in Skirmish. My guess is that is has a Wardrummer-stuled tech ability on it, and guess what? CG as well. [)] | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 06/03/2006 6:14 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Low Key
2. Griffon Cavalry
-Mark my words, its the 40-point LG beater we all want. Possible Ride-by-attack + flying is very CG-styled.
Too bad its CG | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 06/03/2006 9:12 AM |
| I'll play along. I'm voting for pieces we've seen described, though they probably won't make the actual best skirmish piece list once we know the stats.
1) Blackguard on Nightmare
2) Large Green Dragon
3) Bonded Fire Summoner
Runner-up: Ogre Skirmisher
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 06/03/2006 9:22 AM |
| | What I really hope is the huge creatures will not be so useless than the giants of legends.The only one which I have seen being played in true tier 1 warbands is the fomorian (and storm and nightwalker a little bit).I hope the new huges will be awesome powerful and unbeatable and worth for their huge cost.But I doubt It. | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 06/03/2006 9:50 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
quote:
Originally posted by Low Key
2. Griffon Cavalry
-Mark my words, its the 40-point CG beater we all want. Possible Ride-by-attack + flying is very CG-styled.
Too bad its CG
Too bad its a typo. [B)] | |
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Bluedevyl
Warrior
262 Posts
| | 06/03/2006 10:25 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by iluvxtina
What I really hope is the huge creatures will not be so useless than the giants of legends... I hope the new huges will be awesome powerful and unbeatable and worth for their huge cost...But I doubt It.
I do have to say if the new Huges don't have Save = 10 I'm going to be pretty cheesed off. | |
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cerberuspuppy
Warrior
288 Posts
| | 06/03/2006 3:38 PM |
| I have a good feeling about the Talon of Tiamat. I hope the Blackguard on Nightmare is really strong in skirmish, but I expect it to be overcosted.
The Storm Archer sounds ok, but I know from experience that depending on elemental damage is not good.
I won't be surprised if Tordek is actually strong in skirmish. MARMALAAAADE!
I agree that the War Weaver is one to watch. The PRC sounds really strong and good for translation. All those mass buffs could be pretty efficient. If she can cast a useful spell every round of an 8 round game, all while tucked safely behind a line of LG tanks, this mini could be key.
Other possibilities:
Warden of the Wood
Purple Worm
Cadaver Collector
DBPL
Ogre Skirmisher
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lono
Sneak
61 Posts
| | 06/04/2006 1:56 PM |
| Meepo is going to have some kind of synergy with dragons, maybe warband building or wyrmling minions
Tordek will finally make dwarf themed bands viable and will elevate the battleplate marshall and AoM
bluespawn godslayer will own epic play as he will eat aspects, maruts, and dragons for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. everyone will cry out at the power of the blue barney and eventually a godslayerslayer gnome champion of Garl Glittergold will be created as a response.[^] | |
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
526 Posts
| | 06/04/2006 9:42 PM |
| Tordak is going to see a lot of 200 pt play I think...especially with Drizzit and that still leaves you 50ish over points to round up your warband.
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ruhk69
Warrior
205 Posts
| | 06/04/2006 11:35 PM |
| I don't really think any unique or dragon will be there. I can't route for the Ogre Skirmisher, because it looks too much like Jar Jar Binks. I would think more in lines of:
1) Blackguard on Nightmare
2) Meepo
3) Tavern Brawler | |
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