Helzapoppn
Warrior
258 Posts
    
 | | 06/22/2006 3:47 PM |
| Except Lathander is LG, not CG...
And has there been a definitive ruling on whether Chastise Spirits -- which by name targets Incorporeal creatures -- is subject to Incorporeal checks?
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Champion of Iconics & the Apparatus of Kwalish (Constructs with Drivers? Brilliant!)
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simage
Sergeant
746 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 3:50 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
quote:
Originally posted by simage
Did you get the email of my band?
I am at work, and can't check my home e-mail. If you send it to jesse dot dean dot ctr at patrick dot af dot mil, I will check it out.
On its way | |
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12270 | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 3:50 PM |
| | It is a special ability that produces damage. Incorporeal protects against all sources of damage except for attacks from other incorporeal targets. So Chastise Spirits is effected by Incoporeal. | |
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 06/22/2006 3:52 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Helzapoppn
Except Lathander is LG, not CG...
And has there been a definitive ruling on whether Chastise Spirits -- which by name targets Incorporeal creatures -- is subject to Incorporeal checks?
I cant point you to a definite ruling but I was corrected on vassal by a majority rule that chastise spirits has to make an incorporeal check mainly beacuse of the definition of incorporeal.
Page 38 under Incorporeal:
...Any time this creature would be damaged by an attack, or by a spell or special ability, the acting player rolls a die 20.... | |
"Like a thief in the Night"
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 3:53 PM |
| Here's a nice anti-swarm concept no one would see coming:
1X War Chanter
3X Half Giant Psychic Warrior
1X Crow Shaman
1X Greycloak Ranger (w/ Timber Wolf)
1X Xeph Warrior
200, 8.
R~ | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 3:56 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by robbdaman
Here's a nice anti-swarm concept no one would see coming:
1X War Chanter
3X Half Giant Psychic Warrior
1X Crow Shaman
1X Greycloak Ranger (w/ Timber Wolf)
1X Xeph Warrior
200, 8.
R~
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I am not gone. | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 4:04 PM |
| | We wouldn't hate you so much if you weren't keeping us down. | |
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jeremiahcarissa
Warrior
246 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 4:04 PM |
| I think you should try the Lich
Lichnecromancer-64
HGB-78
2 Cursed Spirits-22
Trog-7
2 Quaggoth Slaves-20
Orc Brute or another Trog-8 or 7
On drow outpost
This band is has all the tools to beat the current meta. You have command undead for all those SW. Then on top of that you have incorpreal creatures to take on their creatures. Also most people say this band loses to marut but I have been on fire on Vassal with this same build and Marut can't touch this band. Magic Missle and Command undead take care of most of the Marut couatl bands. Against living bands be aggressive if the Lich makes it into combat he can hold his own and he has 75 HP that is fearless. Also his attack has paralysis. Just a thought but you said you wanted CG but this warband and the Lich command respect. | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 4:08 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by kgradert13
We wouldn't hate you so much if you weren't keeping us down.
There is no keeping you down anymore. I have moved on in my sig.
Btw, I sent you an e-mail. Respond, if you will. | |
I am not gone. | |
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Avatar of the Tank
Newtoncain
Commander
2985 Posts
Land of 10,000 taxes
| | 06/22/2006 4:12 PM |
| Run some IF varient, maybe the one that won the Euro qualifier.
Here's one that should do well in your hands.
IM 29
FB x 2 104
Rikka 31
Devis 6
GCR x 2 +( 2 Wolves, under command for GMA) 30
200 and 9 acts.
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To rip the boosters. To count the minis spilled out before you, and to hear the indifference of the women... | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 4:12 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jeremiahcarissa
I think you should try the Lich
Lichnecromancer-64
HGB-78
2 Cursed Spirits-22
Trog-7
2 Quaggoth Slaves-20
Orc Brute or another Trog-8 or 7
On drow outpost
This band is has all the tools to beat the current meta. You have command undead for all those SW. Then on top of that you have incorpreal creatures to take on their creatures. Also most people say this band loses to marut but I have been on fire on Vassal with this same build and Marut can't touch this band. Magic Missle and Command undead take care of most of the Marut couatl bands. Against living bands be aggressive if the Lich makes it into combat he can hold his own and he has 75 HP that is fearless. Also his attack has paralysis. Just a thought but you said you wanted CG but this warband and the Lich command respect.
1) Cursed Spirits lose to Sacred Watchers. A Sacred watcher needs 1 hits to kill a Cured Spirit. A Cursed Spirit needs 6 hits to kill a Sacred Watcher.
2) Command Undead has a less than 50% chance to steal a Sacred Watcher. While that may allow you to take 1, that also puts you in easy reach of the rest of the Sacred Watchers who will move forward and eat the Lich alive with their 15 damage attacks.
3) The Lich Necromancer's hold monsters do not effect non-living targets. His magic missiles only have a 50% chance of effecting a Marut or a Sacred Watcher.
While you could kill a Marut or SWarm band with this warband you would have to be very lucky, and I don't want to have to rely on luck to win. | |
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Helzapoppn
Warrior
258 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 4:22 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
It is a special ability that produces damage. Incorporeal protects against all sources of damage except for attacks from other incorporeal targets. So Chastise Spirits is effected by Incoporeal.
Can we at least agree that Chastise Spirits SHOULD be an exception? | |
Champion of Iconics & the Apparatus of Kwalish (Constructs with Drivers? Brilliant!)
Dungeons of Dread Called Shot: Yeah, right | |
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Fry
Underboss
1724 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 4:28 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
It is a special ability that produces damage. Incorporeal protects against all sources of damage except for attacks from other incorporeal targets. So Chastise Spirits is effected by Incoporeal.
Don't let Mordenkainen hear you say that. He likes being special.
Run Hill Giants. Smash face. | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 4:28 PM |
| | Sure! But that doesn't help me when I am playing against them. [)] | |
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HidesFromHurricanes
Warrior
289 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 4:35 PM |
| Brass Samurai 56 - 56 (For Whirlwind)
Aspect of Kord 65 - 121 (Can opener)
Fire Genasi 30 151 (Activation control)
Satyr 15 166 (Critical Initiative Control)
Ibixianx3 24 190 (Pack Fervor Whirlwind [:p])
Medium Astral Construct 10 200 (Tile Grabber)
And thank you for not keeping us down any more ( or a least to admitting to it, you illumatus you) | |
Champion of Savage Bard (Unearthed Arcana: Bard Variant)
Bloodwars Called shot (vindicated) Demonic Gnoll Adept/Priestess
Old Jagermonster Saying: Any Plan vere you luz your hat iz a BAD Plan. | |
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DaemonKain
Warrior
312 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 4:41 PM |
| With reverance to your previous championing....
Red Wizard
Night Hag
Duergar Champion
5x Deathlock
I mean really, who's playing HH's anymore? | |
-DaemonKain
Proud Mascot of Team Amish | |
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 4:44 PM |
| | People seem to be forgetting my desire to preserve my DCI rating. (I'm looking at you Patrick!) | |
I am not gone. | |
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 06/22/2006 4:45 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Helzapoppn
quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
It is a special ability that produces damage. Incorporeal protects against all sources of damage except for attacks from other incorporeal targets. So Chastise Spirits is effected by Incoporeal.
Can we at least agree that Chastise Spirits SHOULD be an exception?
I would agree that chastise spirits "should be" an exception, however it is not. | |
"Like a thief in the Night"
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 4:57 PM |
| Moon Elf Fighter 49
Fire Gensai Dervish x4 120 169
Aasimar Favored Soul 20 189
Medium Astral Construct or Timberwolf x2
[:D]
The five dervish version lacks a tile grabber. [:(] | |
Champion of Prit(Wemic vindication is here)
Minneapolis/St. Paul area
Completed trades: Aspect of Cheese (Love that moniker), Tickparasite, Elderthing, Lalato, Sodj, Grimoire, SmilinIrish, Zeb, RWarehall,Link, wikkawikkawa, Auramancer, Rommers, HK, Ivid5,Qillan_dvra, Puggins, Arcabius, Ironfist Boulderbender, Robby, Corim Danex, monster_slayer, DNDJUNKIE, Kelemvor, Krush, ckissee, Massawyrm, hockey fan, Wish, Uninspiring Lieutenant, vtloon x2, Vrecknidj, Darthpoke, WakeXX, AnarionZell, lycusmike, papabear5 and umpteen local trades with board members
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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 5:00 PM |
| | Yes, but where am I going to get five Fire Genasi Dervishes at this hour? [:p] | |
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Neon Knight
Sneak
96 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 5:09 PM |
| | OK, you are all right, Cleric of Lathander is wrong alignment. Get ride of Mialee or Devis then and bring in a Cleric of Garl for the Turn Undead 5 | |
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Zozo
Warrior
218 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 5:13 PM |
| - Snig & sniglets
- Chraal x5
- filler
[:D] | |
Champion of the Ixitxachitl | |
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Calicles
Sneak
51 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 5:20 PM |
| While not Tier 1, its competitive, fun and challenging to play (for me anyway), and most importantly -- its CG!!!
Moon Elf Fighter
Rask or FB (as you like)
Longstrider Ranger
Rikka
Half-Ogre Barbarian
Mialee
Xeph Warrior
Bad Matchups
GAS
Chraal/HBG or Multi-Chraal
Multi-Duergar Champs (unless your dice don't roll below 6)
Skilled use of the Orc Wardrummer
Good Matchups
Any titan will do
Archmage
SWarm depends on dice and in-game tactics, but leans toward unfavorable.
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 5:32 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
Yes, but where am I going to get five Fire Genasi Dervishes at this hour? [:p]
Uh.... I bet you can find 50 of them easy to come by.
R~ | |
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Gnolaum
Sergeant
854 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 5:36 PM |
| CG, eh?
And not the Kord band that Sneaky Joe suggested, or minor variant thereof ?
That leaves Archmage, hopefully there aren't many HH, (I havn't seen many).
1x IM
1x AM
1x Rikka
2x GCR
2x W
3x XW | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 5:45 PM |
| Actually,
IM - 29
Am - 98 (127)
Rikka - 31 (158)
Greycloak x2 - 30 (188)
Timber Wolf x2 - free (188)
Xeph x2 - 6 (194)
Devis - 6 (200)
10 acts, 200pts
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sienar
Sergeant
640 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 5:49 PM |
| You could always go with:
Frenzied Beserker
Wand Adept
Rikka
Celestial Pegasus
Inspiring Marshall
Aramil
2x Timber Wolf
Although, it has been run before. [:D]
I recently ran:
Aspect of Kord
Frenzied Beserker
Brass Samurai
(brain failing to remember juicy bits)
Just go Dragonne. You know you want to. | |
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Gnolaum
Sergeant
854 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 5:54 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by kgradert13
Actually,
IM - 29
Am - 98 (127)
Rikka - 31 (158)
Greycloak x2 - 30 (188)
Timber Wolf x2 - free (188)
Xeph x2 - 6 (194)
Devis - 6 (200)
10 acts, 200pts
Yes, that is what I meant. [)] | |
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SYB
Warrior
328 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 6:08 PM |
| I ran 4 Zakya Rakshasas at Pittsburgh qualifier. It went 4-2 and if I had played a little smarter, I probably would have beat BShugg with it. If I hadn't been an idiot, I would have won my other loss, too (MUST remember that blindfighting makes you immune to gaze attacks in the future...sigh).
Army:
Rakshasa
Zakya Rakshasa x4
Timber Wolf x2
Blue
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Sirohk
Commander
3914 Posts
USA
| | 06/22/2006 6:24 PM |
| Try Lord Ravens BRADY BUNCH, these gilrs kick butt and are pleasent to look at.
x3 Frenzied Berserkers
x3 Xeph Warriors
x1 Elf Warrrior
x1 Rikka
Show em it reallly can work!
[)] | |
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Knight of the Rahshasa's
And Crusader of the Zakya, Ak'chazar, Naztharune, and Naityan Rakshasa's | |
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cooter926
Sneak
165 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 6:32 PM |
| Would you do LG if it was "different"?
Couatl (not different yet)
Mephling (yah yah)
Dragon sam (oh, outta no where)
Cleric of the order
Sacred watcher
standard bearer
timber
commoner
making the samurai fly 8...ac 26 or lvl 12 save or both if ya take yer time...3 attks...alright only 11/11/6 but, the SW could be a flanker...that's 60 possible around with SS..hrm..that's what kord can do...ok, but the sam is harder to hit, and doubling his move would be worth a laff, but not your DCI rating i guess..;)
gettin swarmed would hurt..;)
ok, CG, i do like the dragonne option, too bad i didn't have enough before the niles qualifier or i'd have leaned that way... | |
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ruhk69
Warrior
205 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 7:06 PM |
| How about an Aspect of Hextor, Jesse? You've seen how well they can do....[:D]
Seriously, run the band I did in NJ.
Urthok
DCX2
Zak Rak X2
Snig (sniglets)
Timber wolf
Miner
Hellspike
Maybe swap out Snig and the wolf for a large duergar. It will get +11 for 20 dam vs medium with urthok.
Good luck whatever you pick! | |
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Eliminator53
Sergeant
628 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 7:07 PM |
| | Go old school, run Displaced Aggresion [:p] | |
Champion of Tavern Stripper
Knight of Knights
Squire of Death Giants
Somethin-or-another of Big Arse Swords | |
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Kalrin
Sneak
90 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 8:10 PM |
| I actually think a revised Displaced Aggression would do rather poorly in this enviroment. Marut's would eat it alive.
And I don't think Turn Undead would work against Sacred Watchers... They have Fearless apart from their being Undead. I could be wrong, in which case might want to try:
Cleric of Lathander 27
Combat Medic x2 56
Justice Archon x3 96
Warforged Scout 7
Aramil 13
Dragonshrine
199 points 8 activations
Not so hot against LE Quad, but *Shrugs* if Turn Undead works against Sacred Watchers... | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1360 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 8:32 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kalrin
And I don't think Turn Undead would work against Sacred Watchers... They have Fearless apart from their being Undead. I could be wrong ...
You're wrong [)] Seriously, Turn Undead requires undead to make a morale save the old-fashioned way.
Jesse, I'd go Arcane Ballista or Zak Rak. | | | |
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Helzapoppn
Warrior
258 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 10:29 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ruhk69
How about an Aspect of Hextor, Jesse? You've seen how well they can do....[:D]
Seriously, run the band I did in NJ.
Urthok
DCX2
Zak Rak X2
Snig (sniglets)
Timber wolf
Miner
Hellspike
Maybe swap out Snig and the wolf for a large duergar. It will get +11 for 20 dam vs medium with urthok.
Good luck whatever you pick!
Activations are nice, but Urthok gives only half the morale boost of the Human Blackguard...Zaks saving at a paltry +12 ain't gonna cut it.
HBG
Duergar Champ x 2
Zak Rak x 2
Fiendish Dire Weasel (seriously! He did great for me!)
Timber Wolf
Dire Rat
Or there's Sirohk's very similar build with Chraals... | |
Champion of Iconics & the Apparatus of Kwalish (Constructs with Drivers? Brilliant!)
Dungeons of Dread Called Shot: Yeah, right | |
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ruhk69
Warrior
205 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 11:23 PM |
| I changed my mind. I just tested this band for you on Vassal and it looks fierce:
Dual Aspect of Hextor
Snig (sniglets)
Xorn
Timber Wolf
Drow Outpost
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The Waterboy. Proud member of Team Amish. | |
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lurch_E_bean
Underboss
1058 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 11:40 PM |
| Here's something I've wanted to try, I think you should go for it:
050 Greenfang Druid
144 Dragonne x4
006 Xeph x2
I guess if you feel you need more attack bonus, sub a Dragonne for a Cleric of Kord and Hyena. | |
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12th Place in the 2005 Nationals, and I owe it all to the Minis Training Montage.
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Aravis
Underboss
1155 Posts
| | 06/23/2006 12:17 AM |
| I vote for Multi Zakya. Play an uber Marut hate band. Pwn the crap out of the Sacred Watchers. Pair the 4x Zakya with a Human Black and your good to go. They are freakin awesome figures, I havnt had the time to run it. You'd smash all those darn Marut bands. 60 pts of Near auto damage, then 1 more hit = death for the Marut. And with +7 to MC when in command of the CoY for those SW's is not fun. But fun for you..
Either that..or 3x Death Slaad.
If you couldnt tell im telling you to play a hate warband for a few reasons.
1) You asked :P
2) They are actually very good hate warbands that CAN deal with other warbands fairly well
3) I want you to :P
And you cant steal my Archmage Throne. So no playing Archmage for you :P. Unless you plan to qualifiy with it, then go for it :D | |
Welcome to Eternal Crack...
"Corn is no place for a mighty warrior!"
Champion of the Frost Salamander | |
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 06/23/2006 2:03 AM |
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And you cant steal my Archmage Throne.
....uh what Archmage Throne? Only one i can think of to say that is Pat and...maybe Dwayne...which makes me think...if you go the throne so easily...it could be very easy to steal.. | |
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