CTSparky
Sneak
128 Posts
    
 | | 08/07/2006 2:23 PM |
| OK So I'm preparing to face Firebelchers in the Nationals so I have to come up with a band designed to beat them and beware of GAS So to list possible anti-belcher tech I'd say:
Tier 1
Couatl
Chrall (possible b/c of elemental immunity but they will die fast)
Sacred Watcher (Incorporeal)
Azer Raider
Elf Pyromancer
Tier lower
Dragonborn fighter
Blackscale Lizardfolk
Meepo
Balor
Anything else?
If you were to design a band for nationals what pieces would you steer towards?
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 08/07/2006 2:27 PM |
| The Belch isn't a breath weapon, so Meepo and the Blackscale are useless.
Fire Immunity is the way to go. Some decent Fire Immune/Resistant pieces include the Efreeti, Elf Pyro (grants to others) and Ogre Ravager. | | | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 08/07/2006 3:11 PM |
| | I'm not sure you'll see that many Belchers. Everyone is planning against them right now. Maybe play anti-Anti-belchers. | |
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Urban Druid
Warrior
253 Posts
| | 08/07/2006 3:26 PM |
| | If GAS and Redspawn are all you're worried about, try running a Warbound Impaler with a Warden of the Wood. [}:)] Sure, you'll lose against almost everything else, but you can have a little fun in the meantime (as long as you get your map...). | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 08/07/2006 3:36 PM |
| | Efreeti. [:D] | |
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theplumber
Sneak
72 Posts
| | 08/07/2006 3:58 PM |
| | dual balor :) | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 08/07/2006 4:00 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Gunthar
...Maybe play anti-Anti-belchers.
And anti-anti-GAS, and anti-anti-Kord/Couatl, and anti-anti-SWArm...
[:)]
Dave | |
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Damien the Bloodfeaster
Sergeant
885 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 08/07/2006 4:25 PM |
| LG - Couatl; the Sacred Watcher has incoporeal, so it would work well in conjunction with the Couatl as a damage sponge
CG - Elf Pyromancer
LE - tough; no real tier 1, but maybe Efreeti or Iron Golem; Azer Raider cheap but easily killed, stripping you of fire-immune protection
CE - another Redspawn Firebelcher; top fire-immune fodder is the magmin and maybe the burning skeleton; Ogre Ravager has resist fire 10 and lots of hit points, so is another possibility; Cursed Spirits are incorporeal, so may be good shields if you get lucky on the die rolls | | | |
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Paido
Skirmisher
36 Posts
| | 08/07/2006 5:37 PM |
| Just an idea (probably not worth to play at the Championship, but worth to try) :
Mordenkainen the Mage
Resist 15 fire and has a nasty "empowered" cone of cold. | |
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SYB
Warrior
328 Posts
| | 08/07/2006 6:34 PM |
| Large Red Dragon
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 08/07/2006 9:00 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Paido
Just an idea (probably not worth to play at the Championship, but worth to try) :
Mordenkainen the Mage
Resist 15 fire and has a nasty "empowered" cone of cold.
Put him with an Efreeti for two front blockers, and two Chraals to run up and cone the Firebelchers, and you're golden. Mordy can empowered cone of cold through the Chraals for a million points of damage.
The problem, of course, is all the other bands.
Dave | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
12507 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 08/07/2006 10:31 PM |
| | Azers, Couatl, Elf Pyromancer, Ogre Ravager, Red Samurai, LRD, Efreeti, Iron Golem, your own Belchers, Tiefling Captain. Remember fire is the easiest element to resist, so you have many options. | |
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MGM
Sneak
116 Posts
| | 08/08/2006 3:00 PM |
| | I always put one Efreeti in my LE builds, he is simply the best LE creature for me. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7716 Posts
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 08/08/2006 5:38 PM |
| | I have play belcher two times and both loose because of them.Simply,too much couatls out there to be really useful.And do not forget tiamat in epic play.The elf pyromancer will ruine your day too but that is the lesser problem.In my opinion It looks like useful but it is not.An arcane ballista with only one blow destroyed one of my belchers (making it routing).It,s not truly a tier 1 but it surely have its good matchups | |
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Nobody Important
Sergeant
718 Posts
| | 08/08/2006 6:16 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
Have you tried Gas X? teehee.
(not the monk warband)
That's a good one. Too bad it doesn't normally help your warband survive although it may certainly help YOU survive.
No real suggestions although anything with fire resistance seem like a good place to start.
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RobWreck
Warrior
295 Posts
| | 08/09/2006 5:15 PM |
| You want to deal with fire belchers and GAS? try a Bonded Fire Summoner. His summoned SFE's are immune to the stun and the Gith's take 5 fire each time they pop one and he has 2 scorching rays for the Gith monks, all for less than 1/4 of your band. Versus the belchers, the SFE's LOVE to suck up fire belch. [:)]
What you do with the other 160+ points is up to you... maybe an archmage and a frenzied beserker or Kord?
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 08/12/2006 5:55 PM |
| I'm giving the Fiendish Girallon a second look. It has Resist Fire 5, and only needs two 6's to lay 50 damage on a Belcher. With the right support (TC + OWD) it only fails morale on a 4 or less. Of course, it has the same weakness against Belchers that it always had against other creatures with ranged abilities - a Redspawn that hasn't activated when you base it with the FG will just back up two squares, take the AoO, and still barf on the FG.
Worth considering in singles or pairs with other CE beaters though. | | | |
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HidesFromHurricanes
Warrior
289 Posts
| | 08/13/2006 3:23 AM |
| [QUOTE]Orion72 wrote
I'm giving the Fiendish Girallon a second look. It has Resist Fire 5, and only needs two 6's to lay 50 damage on a Belcher. With the right support (TC + OWD) it only fails morale on a 4 or less. Of course, it has the same weakness against Belchers that it always had against other creatures with ranged abilities - a Redspawn that hasn't activated when you base it with the FG will just back up two squares, take the AoO, and still barf on the FG.
Worth considering in singles or pairs with other CE beaters though.[/QUOTE]
Isn't the belch a special ability, so it can belch in melee contact, no need to take an AoO, unless you want to pick a better target. But in melee contact it would probably better just to do the attack and 15 damage (5+ on a d20) than use a belch. | |
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psistef
Underboss
1572 Posts
| | 08/13/2006 5:39 AM |
| | You can indeed belch while based. [Only on this forum could I say such a thing] | |
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 08/14/2006 6:52 AM |
| | Yes, please, by all means, stay in melee with my Girallon and be Rended (Rent?) for 50 damage. My point was that the Belchers can Belch or attack and then move out of melee, taking a 10 damage AoO instead of a 50 damage full attack (75% chance of success). Girallons could only work if they had some way of keeping the Belchers still long enough to get a full attack in. | | | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 08/14/2006 7:29 AM |
| Greenfang Druid
Fiendish Girallon x2
Elf Pyromancer
Nebin
Graycloak
Timber Wolf (free)
Aramil
Blurry, fire-immune (or resistant), regenerating Girallons. Probably not actually competitive, but who knows?
Dave
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