Neratos
Sneak
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| Just curious what are a few figs that you think don't see as much play as you think they should. Here are a few of mine.
Diregaurd
Hill Giant Chieftain
War Troll (non epic)
Horde Zombie
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Korhal_IV
Sergeant
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| | 08/07/2006 8:18 PM |
| Drizzt-Ulmo.
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| | 08/07/2006 8:37 PM |
| I'd say the Dwarf Wizard. When I'm running a Marut, I always include one for the magic weapon and extra attacks via Bigby's slapping hand. The unlited cold orbs can also help out towards the end of the game.
Better than the Couatl? No. Horribly underrated? YES.
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Vrecknidj
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| | 08/07/2006 8:57 PM |
| The more I play this game, the more I realize that "under-rated" is a relative term. What is and isn't good is so heavily dependent upon local trends and the current meta, that it's hard to say that this or that piece is under-rated.
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| | 08/07/2006 10:13 PM |
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Originally posted by Vrecknidj
The more I play this game, the more I realize that "under-rated" is a relative term. What is and isn't good is so heavily dependent upon local trends and the current meta, that it's hard to say that this or that piece is under-rated.
Dave
Couldn't agree more, for example I have had almost nothing but success with the longstrider ranger and funnily enough "Catfolk" yet how many posted competetive bands do you see em in ?None. I see this as under-rated most would feel it is justified to leave these 2 on the sideline! | |
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| | 08/07/2006 10:20 PM |
| | I like the Renegade Warlock. So many things now have high AC, the Couatl gives energy resistance, and a map gives energy resistance. He's a bit expensive, but he bypasses all of that stuff at range sight - not bad. If CG can get some better front-line hitters, the RW might not be bad support. | |
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| | 08/07/2006 10:32 PM |
| Xorn and Longstrider Ranger are both "underrated."
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| | Yes, I definitely agree with the Xorn. No one ever mentions it in a tier 1 warband, but you get pretty good stats for its cost. Burrow can be awesome at times. | |
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| | 08/07/2006 11:37 PM |
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Originally posted by Neratos
Diregaurd
I think the Direguard just suffers from LE's abundance of riches, together with being in a weird cost bracket. It's hard to justify the points for it, when you can usually shuffle things and get a serious hitter in its place. If it were +10 (10 magic) for 2 or 3 more points, oddly, you'd see it more often.
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Hill Giant Chieftain
His place is in Epic, I'm convinced. He just costs too much in 200, but his commander effect is a beautiful thing in Epic.
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War Troll (non epic)
People gave this one plenty of chances. (At least around here.) It just doesn't make the cut. If you're winning with the War Troll, you're not playing particularly good competition, frankly.
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Horde Zombie
Do you have a competitive build with this you could share? I like the Horde mechanic, but I just can't see it as really viable.
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No idea, as I'm not great with high-point spellcasters. Could be.
My personal choice is Mounted Drow Patrol. Sure, lots of folks say they like 'em, but nobody seems to play 'em. They're just amazingly flexible pieces: fodder hunting, VP grabbing, surgical striking, blocking with conceal, flanking, and on and on. All for 27 points.
I think the Renegade Warlock is a great choice, and the Xorn is great if it's not in there as a hitter. (It also falls into a weird price-point, and its attack bonuses are just painful.)
I've seen people try to use the Longstrider Ranger, and just haven't seen it be successful. Except in Sealed ... it rocked in Sealed. Again, is there a viable competitive build someone can point to?
I also like the Dwarf Wizard, although the Couatl is usually a better choice. (Sometimes, though, you just don't have an extra 21 points ... ) The Couatl with its snake's swiftness spells is much better with a titan like the Marut ... if you have to settle for slapping hands, you want the target pieces surrounded by multiple beaters. Which is fine ... the Dwarf Wizard fits better in multi-hitter LG bands, anyway.
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Neratos
Sneak
67 Posts
| | 08/08/2006 12:24 AM |
| Honestly i think in epic 28 points for 2 horde zombies is well worth it. Every round you recieve a new activation, either putting you ahead or replacing lost activations. For 200 they are a bit expensive for what they do.
Another of my favorites is the Chuul, if only it did magic dmg it would be worth its points. | |
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Janos M.
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| | 08/08/2006 3:39 AM |
| The Wemic is underrated...
Everyone speaks about the Frenzied, but the Wemics has better attack, better AC, higher speed and can block passages with it's large base. | |
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BoroKnight
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| | 08/08/2006 6:42 AM |
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I also like the Dwarf Wizard, although the Couatl is usually a better choice.
Well, I don't think anyone is making that comparison, really... at 21 pts the dwarf wizard is a bit difficult to make fit into a warbands, but Marut or kord with SS AND slapping hands is a beautiful thing.
Considering that many pieces have/could have conceal and high AC builds in the current meta, the Aasimar favored soul is underrated. 20 pts for bless, magic weapon and anti-conceal tech with good saves and 40 hp's which is great for a tech piece. | |
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BoroKnight
Skirmisher
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| | 08/08/2006 6:57 AM |
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Originally posted by Janos M.
The Wemic is underrated...
Everyone speaks about the Frenzied, but the Wemics has better attack, better AC, higher speed and can block passages with it's large base.
I do like the Wemic, but I think the main reason the FB will always see more play is that the Wemic isn't guaranteed to be fearless. For example, Since no piece will fail morale (the triggering mechanism for the Bravado ability) he'll never be fearless vs SWarm. Although he doesn't have to deal with burnout like the FB, you also don't get deathstrike or magic damage... oh yeah and 5 less damage to boot.
I think if they had not made him MORE pts than an FB he'd see more play. | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 08/08/2006 7:49 AM |
| | The most underrated mini is in my opinion the golden champion.It was my favourite mini during a long time and almost always lost.It is not competitive indeed but cool looking and high powered against certain warbands.Nobody play him. | |
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Daezarkian
Sneak
110 Posts
| | 08/08/2006 11:38 AM |
| The Inspired Lieutenant has become my commander of choice in LE. Many still avoid her in preference to Urthok or the HBG, but the IL has more flexibility and is just a more solid piece, in my opinion.
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War Troll (non epic)
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People gave this one plenty of chances. (At least around here.) It just doesn't make the cut. If you're winning with the War Troll, you're not playing particularly good competition, frankly.
I have to disagree with this statement. I've won with the War Troll plenty of times against a wide variety of players on Vassal, some of whom I know for a fact are quite good. He remains one of my favorite titans for LE.
Personally, though, I don't mind if both of these pieces remain underrated...it just means I'll be one of the few players who uses them on a regular basis. ;)
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ArcticLancer
Skirmisher
15 Posts
| | 08/08/2006 1:27 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by BoroKnight
I do like the Wemic, but I think the main reason the FB will always see more play is that the Wemic isn't guaranteed to be fearless. For example, Since no piece will fail morale (the triggering mechanism for the Bravado ability) he'll never be fearless vs SWarm. Although he doesn't have to deal with burnout like the FB, you also don't get deathstrike or magic damage... oh yeah and 5 less damage to boot.
I think if they had not made him MORE pts than an FB he'd see more play.
You make good points, but it doesn't change the point at all that the Wemic Barbarian is highly under-rated.
It takes minimal support to bring out the great potential this piece has (6 point Mialee allows for +17/+12 for 25 magic, which is not anything to sneeze at) and while it does 5 less damage than the Berserker, it will hit more frequently and make up for this small loss.
The Berserker has been tested and proven, but since the game has escallated, Wemic has had a much harder time proving itself since it's in an environment half-existant to hose it (Conceal, fearless, DR, etc ... None of this is on purpose, obviously). I ackowledge that the Berserker must overcome many of these obstancles itself, but the point is that none of this changes how under-rated the Wemic itself is when it's so very comparable to the Berserker in the first place. | |
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 08/08/2006 1:53 PM |
| I'm partial to LE Quads, and I've had fantastic success with a piece I never hear mentioned - the Mind Flayer. Yes, the original Harbinger one.
Cmdr 4 plus -4 enemy morale as his CFX makes him a sort of dual Wardrummer. Unlimited Stun cones? You betcha! His big selling point is his cost - at 35 pts, he easily accomodates upgrading your beaters: Doogie, Zak or Chraal to an Efreeti, HH or Lg Green, and still have pts left for decent fodder/tech (read: Dark Moon Monk). | | | |
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MGM
Sneak
116 Posts
| | 08/08/2006 3:31 PM |
| Efreeti(at least here in Brazil) : nice spells, nice damage, nice mobility.
Griffon Cavalry(non epic) : Everyone just say 'overcosted', but technically it is a mini capable to deal 50 dmg in one activation at a far distance and get to AC 23 with a single Cats Grace, join IM to your force and definitively it does better on the battle than on paper.OK i know what A. kord can do for only 2 pts more, but a IM+Griffon can hunt almost any commander or support piece in the game, suddenly you can kill a Couatl at lightning speed, of course everything if you manage to keep GC stand up [:D] | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 08/08/2006 5:52 PM |
| | I'll agree with Direguard. One of my casual game favourites is the x8 Direguard. 320 fearless hitpoints with conceal 11 effectively doubling it. Unless you have Blindsight, thats alot to cut through. And I agree, the odd costing makes it hard to use. Not quite the beater, but too costly to use as tech with a Quad. | |
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Neratos
Sneak
67 Posts
| | 08/08/2006 6:03 PM |
| | I think the trog captain is underrated as well. lol could do a decent under dog army with him + 6x diregaurd + kobold miner lol. | |
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| | 08/08/2006 8:09 PM |
| | I like the trog captain, it's just missing that hitter with immunities that requires a big to hit bonus (+7 against those affected by stench)... but, LE just doesn't have anything that is power attacking. | |
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Neratos
Sneak
67 Posts
| | 08/08/2006 8:16 PM |
| why i think they actually synergize with the diregaurd, since they could use the boost to attack.
Here is another one, Warforged Barbarian. I think it is his poor level/lack of fearless that makes him undesirable. | |
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ArcticLancer
Skirmisher
15 Posts
| | 08/08/2006 8:36 PM |
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Here is another one, Warforged Barbarian. I think it is his poor level/lack of fearless that makes him undesirable.
In general, the Warforged Barbarian just isn't worth it. For 3 more points, you get Frenzied Berserker. 1 more above that nets you Wemic, and either of these options are better. 5 auto-damage is really nice for that last hit to kill, or knocking off fodder without wasting attacks, and his immunities are okay, but overall he has neither the speed, nor damage output to make him comparable to the above mentioned.
However, one spot I found he works okay is as a blocker for ranged bands. Then again, Pegasus does a better job of that at a much lower cost, so again, he's just a little worse than a lot of other options.
I just don't think he's under-rated because he doesn't do any more than anyone expects him to do. | |
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Errorzero
Skirmisher
20 Posts
| | 08/09/2006 8:53 AM |
| | Halfelf Hexblade is one of my most underrated models. 2 quick curses to lower enemy saves, AB and damage, and if you can base one of their beaters, you can curse and do a full attack. Very useful peice if you back it up right and know how to use it. | |
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MGM
Sneak
116 Posts
| | 08/09/2006 10:52 AM |
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Originally posted by Errorzero
Halfelf Hexblade is one of my most underrated models. 2 quick curses to lower enemy saves, AB and damage, and if you can base one of their beaters, you can curse and do a full attack. Very useful peice if you back it up right and know how to use it.
I agree, but a Cursed Spirit is what he really need to be efective, but cost too much to bring one to LE | |
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Neratos
Sneak
67 Posts
| | 08/09/2006 11:14 AM |
| For a while the hexblade was very popular here, and i am so glad it went away, god i hated that fig, i always failed the stupid curse.
I think Lareth the beautiful is a bit under rated. With undead supporting him he can really make things interesting. I just wish his CE didn't affect enemy commanders and not allied ones. | |
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