hey everyone need help this one kid i played aginst brought 4 fire belchers

and i brought the cadaver and i got crushed but if nayone cn help me plz help

so i cn beat the 4 belchers with the cadver

I agree with the necessity of Azers, but even with those, the belchers can either:

a) chew through them in one bite

b) if the Collector is right behind the Raiders, target the Raiders instead and still deal 10 fire damage to the big guy with the big spikes

Furthermore, the belchers outrun the Cadaver...

I'd say that's a pretty lousy match-up, and if you're playing someone in the same skill range, you'll need a metric buttload of 20's to stand a chance :)

AR

[QUOTE]Zoeskyfarm wrote
Coatl and any silver dragon or any thing with cold damage (because the firebelchers have double damage from cold you just need to find ways to exploit the weekness)[/QUOTE]

Large Silver is a possibility, but even with a couatl a direct belch is still going to do damage (I can't remember whever you double the damage from volnerable then apply resist, or vice versa, so you take either 30 or 20.) Which goes right through the dragon, it's also worth noting that the belchers are immune to the LSDs other major weapon (the paralysis cone) and once breathweapons/belches are done, they still have more then enough damage to finish off the dragon.

As a pure hate band I'd consider something like a couatl, a few human dragonslayers for their anti-dragon abilities, and maybe a djinni, with fire resist they should be decent against the belchers.

Try running 2 Chraals, an Efreeti, and a Duergar Champion with a sturdy commander.  You'll need an Azer Raider or two as initial fire shield.  Chraals can match the speed of the Belchers.  And if you want to match the speed even further, try using a Zakya. 

First, take out your opponents fodder and get tile point.  Get ahead and make him come to you.  Then base the Belchers and use the breath weapon.  Try and catch more than 1 Belcher in the breath weapons.  Now get smacked by the belch and hopefully make the MC.  Next big roll is ini and you need to win.  Smack the Belchers and and maybe you can kill one of them.  Wave good bye to Chraals as they get belched on again.  But both Chraals hopefully get Death Burst and take another Belcher down.  Now its 2 Belchers (hopefully damaged) versus your Efreei and DC.  You should be ahead on points. 

It basically comes down to die rolls.  You win, you win. 

It is a fun match up and its worked for me a number of times, but it takes some pratice with to be successful. 

Try running 2 Chraals, an Efreeti, and a Duergar Champion with a sturdy commander.  You'll need an Azer Raider or two as initial fire shield.  Chraals can match the speed of the Belchers.[/QUOTE]Here's a fun one:

Mordenkainen
Chraal x2
Efreeti
Baaz Draconian
Timber Wolf
Azer Raider
Warrior Skeleton

The Azer and Efreeti serve as anti-Belcher tech.  The Baaz can be strategically placed to that when he dies, his statue leaves a slow path through some area, and provides a little cover.  The Warrior Skeleton, can, maybe, end up serving as the blast point for aiming a Chraal cone (but isn't likely to).

But, the real fun is Mordy's empowered cone of cold against Firebelchers.  It's 80 damage on a failed save.

Dave

How about an Aspect of Kord with an Elf Pyromancer plus a couple of crow shamen.

Immunity fire on AoK should be more than slightly worrying.

I like that Kord band.  A Fire Immune Kord would be very solid against them.

The Chralls I'm not that enthralled with.  They're just as vulnerable to the Belchers, as the  Belchers are to them.  Sure, sure, you can try and block for them, but a good player won't let that go on too long.

Mordenkainen
Chraal x2
Efreeti
Baaz Draconian
Timber Wolf
Azer Raider
Warrior Skeleton

The Azer and Efreeti serve as anti-Belcher tech.  The Baaz can be strategically placed to that when he dies, his statue leaves a slow path through some area, and provides a little cover.  The Warrior Skeleton, can, maybe, end up serving as the blast point for aiming a Chraal cone (but isn't likely to).

But, the real fun is Mordy's empowered cone of cold against Firebelchers.  It's 80 damage on a failed save.

Dave

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I like your thinking.  Very devious.  Very devious. 

I've always wanted to try Mordenkainen in a warband abd tha sounds like a fun one.  Gonna have to give that one a try. 

[QUOTE]jooquase wrote
Try 4 Chraals with Human Blackguard, the game should not last more than 15 minutes, with a try ...[/QUOTE]

I really really like this idea.  If they (the Belchers) fail their saves, it's over quickly.  If not, lots of Chraals go boom. 

Another option, run 3 Chraals with Blackguard on the Nightmare.  With her speed 10 and swift incoporal, she can do an end around and go after the commander / wardrummer if they are using them.  The ride back and support the Chraals. 

If you want to keep the cavader collector in their (which BTW is a bad idea IMO; I am grasping at straws here), I would try this:

Cavader Collector 103

Shuluth, Archvillan 59

Snig the Axe plus skirmisher minions 20

Azer raider x3 15

Goblin skirmisher 3

200 pts, 10 Activations, Dragon temple

Step 1: Pray for map and sides init (this is why commander 5 from shuluth). Go for fire resist side.

Step 2: Chuck cavader in the sacred circle victory area. Place a skirmish screen of Azer raiders and goblins in front (be sure to space them out).

When enemy attacks, try and stun belchers with shuluth, and use goblins etc to restrict ability of belchers to focus fire Shuluth or Cavader try and base a belcher and kill it quick with cavader, and repeat.

This band might have a chance against the belchers, but frankly, you are better off going with chraals.

Balor

Ogre Ravager x2

Orc Wardrummer

Hyena

Orc Warrior x2

I think this should be able to fairly easily handle quad belcher. It has some other bad matchups, to be sure, but I think it is borderline playable in the current meta.

Another choice would be ballista with some fire immune screeners.

You could go Chraals x2, Warpriest of Hextor, Xorn x2, Hell Hounds x3 (or Snig + Azer Raider x2).

The Xorn can flank with burrow and attack at +14 for 20dmg (flank + cfx by switching up 1st and 2nd on a full attack), plus are immune fire/cold.

The Chraals for reasons stated in other posts.

Warpriest of Hextor for his cold energy vortex radius 4 of either 30 or 60 damage if the Redspawn fail.

The Hell Hounds are fast fire immune blockers that can keep up with the Chraals.  1 Hell Hound and Snig for activations might be enough to close the gap.