Janos M.
Underboss
1015 Posts
    
Hamburg / GErmany
 | | 10/16/2006 12:30 AM |
| Due to the fact that the final of the loser bracket is the exact same matchup as in round 2, I decided to change the voting system.
This time we vote for a final winner of all 3 remaining warbands. The map for this final is a standard map with 6x Tiles (Creeping Tangle, Corridor, Broken Wall, Rubble Assembly, Torture Chamber, Mushroom Tangle). There is no timelimit given. The first player reaching 300 vicotry points is the winner.
The Warbands.
A.)
Ulmo Lightbringer
Young Master
Githzerai Monk
Ember, Human Monk
Standardbearer
Sun Soul Initiate
Timber Wolf
Aasimar Fighter
C.)
Archmage
Warforged Barbarian
Inspiring Marshal
Healer
2x Xeph Warrior
Gnome Recruit
Gnome Recruit Â
F.)
Young master
githzerai monk
ulmo Lightbringer
aramil,adventurerÂ
dwarf artificer
Timber Wolf x2 | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
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froffenhoffer
Sergeant
702 Posts
| | 10/16/2006 4:29 AM |
| I vote F.
As far as i can tell its a three way race to 300 points?
F wins this and almost certainly beats both others 1 v 1.
Edit:can somebody sticky this please? | |
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Damien the Bloodfeaster
Sergeant
885 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 10/16/2006 12:27 PM |
| I assume it is 3-way.
Here's how I'm guessing it will play out.
1. Neither players A nor F will want the Archmage sitting back and sniping, so they'll probably gang up on band C and take it out first. The Archmage will likely get off both swords and do some damage, most likely to whichever warband does not hang back as much. Thereafter the warband that did hang back more is far more likely to win. This has a 50% chance of being F or A.
2. Since it's a tossup as to which monk band is more likely to win, I'm going to give the nod to F because I think its support pieces work slightly better against the other monk band than the other way around. The standardbearer should be easy to take out, wheras Aramil, should he get off a ray of enfeeblement on the enemy githzerai in particular before he dies, can do more significant damage.
Of course, in actual play it also depends on which band ends up starting in the middle, since that band is usually at a slight disadvantage, and how well the archmage band is able to maintain line of sight during tile setup.
Not having access to forest terrain (as on the King's Road map) does warband C no favors.
So in summary, I'll go with warband F. This does feel like a bit of an arbitrary way to resolve this challenge, though.
EDIT: I've been thinking this over further, and reading other people's assessments. I think my thinking above reflects a "last man standing" approach, but if it comes down to who has the most points at the end of the game, I have to say that C does stand a good shot at it, since it can potentially take out two Ulmos with swords and a gith with dismissal, not to mention other mischief it might perform. So I'm gonna officially change my vote to warband C. | | | |
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Janos M.
Underboss
1015 Posts
Hamburg / GErmany
| | 10/16/2006 12:40 PM |
| I vote for C.
Sure the Monks will kill the Archmage. But after that they will try to kill each other leaving C in place to pick the damaged figures. | |
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Nobody Important
Sergeant
718 Posts
| | 10/16/2006 4:36 PM |
| C.
While it may be unlikely if the Archmage can Sword both Ulmos it should more than pay for itself even from beyond the grave.
I almost hate to say it but the point limit should still only be 200 not 300. Ignoring VP areas for a second (which are going to be where?), one band needs to take out half of one opponent and solo the other which shouldn't happen. That simply means the last man standing wins but going on points that may not even allow one warband to earn 300 points.
You should have run the monk mirror with the winner getting a rematch against C. That would make an extra match for A to go undefeated. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 10/16/2006 6:08 PM |
| I cast my vote for C.Â
May the best warband win.Â
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 10/17/2006 3:23 AM |
| My vote goes for F.
Its a complicated match. Archamge will be teamed up on, and the two monks face off. In the end, I believe F will be standing due to better tech. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 10/17/2006 3:38 AM |
| Wow, I'm totally at a loss. I can't decide how to evaluate this. I mean, the whole thing is predicated on one-on-one play, so throwing this in at the end really messes things up.
Dave | |
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Damien the Bloodfeaster
Sergeant
885 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 10/17/2006 11:44 AM |
| After reviewing what some of the rest of you said, I changed my vote above to C. You guys made some great points.
I do agree that it is unlikely that any band will get to 300 points, so I'm basing it on who is most likely to have the most points by the end of the game, and not necessarily the warband most likely to survive. | | | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 10/17/2006 12:08 PM |
| I have to abstain here, but my feeling is the standardbearer isn't getting enough credit.  | |
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Nobody Important
Sergeant
718 Posts
| | 10/17/2006 8:06 PM |
| | The Standardbearer would help most against the Monk-Mirror but it is often only one hit away from leaving the battle. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 10/18/2006 5:09 AM |
| So, another way of looking at this, is to consider that there's no time limit. So, after, say, five rounds, what pieces are left from each of the three teams?
Dave | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
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United States
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Janos M.
Underboss
1015 Posts
Hamburg / GErmany
| | 10/23/2006 8:22 AM |
| With 3 votes wins C over F (2 votes) and A.
The Winner is Damien the Bloodfeaster!!! | |
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Janos M.
Underboss
1015 Posts
Hamburg / GErmany
| | 10/23/2006 8:22 AM |
| Congratulation on the Win.
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Damien the Bloodfeaster
Sergeant
885 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 10/23/2006 8:30 AM |
| Thanks! | | | |
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Janos M.
Underboss
1015 Posts
Hamburg / GErmany
| | 10/24/2006 2:55 AM |
| And now you're responsible for the next WBC.
WBC VIII | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 10/24/2006 12:44 PM |
| Looking forward to the next one.
Thanks Janos, for taking on the responsibility of doing this first one since the community split and all the Maxminis troubles.
Dave | |
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Autoxdsm
Sergeant
814 Posts
Myrtle Beach, SC
| | 10/24/2006 8:01 PM |
| | Congrats, Damien the Bloodfeaster...looking forward to the next one. | |
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Damien the Bloodfeaster
Sergeant
885 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 10/24/2006 10:53 PM |
| Up to me for the next one, eh?
I was thinking about doing a "worst warbands" one. Has that been done in Warband Challenge yet?
Also, should I wait a couple weeks until Blood Wars is out, and make that set available for use in the challenge? | | | |
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froffenhoffer
Sergeant
702 Posts
| | 10/25/2006 7:27 AM |
| Damn it lost by one vote.
I was doing so well with F...
If he had gone to each band playing each band once maybe i would have won. | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 10/25/2006 7:34 AM |
| Posted By Damien the Bloodfeaster on 10/24/2006 10:53 PM Up to me for the next one, eh?
I was thinking about doing a "worst warbands" one. Has that been done in Warband Challenge yet?
Also, should I wait a couple weeks until Blood Wars is out, and make that set available for use in the challenge?
That could be a good idea. After the set is out the boards will be full of threads about spoilers, complaints, new warband ideas, tournament reports, etc. You could wait just to avoid getting lost in the flood of new threads. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 10/25/2006 8:32 AM |
| Definitely waiting a few days at least would be a good idea. Maybe waiting until after the pre-release is done with would be good.
Dave | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 10/25/2006 11:20 AM |
| | The two I was kicking around as possibilities (I was warband A) were straight up 100 point and 300 point challenges, using all other rules as normal - probably excluding Epics and huges from 300 as well (the format is MUCH more interesting when you leave those out.) So, feel free to use one of those! | |
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