Autoxdsm
Sergeant
814 Posts
    
Myrtle Beach, SC
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| We all know LE can makes triple and quad hitter bands, they have been doing it forever. They alsdo have some good titan pieces that go to waste because there is no pieces( that I have found) to support the titan.
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Titan: tordek/murat
Support: war weaver and couatl for snake swiftness, Mephling Pyromacer for flying, Healer/combat medic for healing
CG
Titan: Kord
Support: Crow Shaman for snake swiftness, Mephling pyromancer for flying, Wand expert/Spell scale sorcerer for blur.
CE
Titan: Hezrou
Support: Orc Wardrummer for +save, Orc Druid for snakes swiftness
Maybe you guys can shed some light on how to make a titan list in LE. | |
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
960 Posts
Lima, Perú
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| titan: AoH
Support:
Rakshasa, Dark Naga (bigby´s Slapping Hands),
Dark moon Monk, Human cleric of Bane, Kobold Sorcerer (MW),
BGoN, Black guard, skullplitter (tiranical morale),
Grim Necromancer (curse of Impending blades),
Half elf Hexblade (Hexblade Curse)
Human Blackguard, goblin adept(Cure or Heal),
Night Hag (ray of enflebement),
Witchblade (spell silencer),
Erineyes (Dimension door),
Slide (rakshasa, Beholder).
Well is not a WoW!!!! what a support pieces!!!, but is all LE have.
Not low cost miniatures with good spell´s support | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 10/18/2006 1:59 AM |
| Currently, LE does not have a great titan that it can field that can be competative against the whole meta. LE is much more competitive with its many and varied hitters that it can field in various combos. Plus, LE has some really great commanders that add to the variety of warbands that LE can put together.Â
Aspect of Hextor is ok and fun at 200 pts, and not too bad in Epic 500 pt play.Â
But to answer you question, LE does not currently have the support pieces to support its / a titan. Its close, but not quite there yet.Â
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Tgt
Sergeant
574 Posts
| | 10/18/2006 3:05 AM |
| | Titans make successful appearances when you can maximize their use through snake switfness for multiply their high damage and ways to ensure it´ll stay for a long time on the board (healing, bodyguard). LE has none of those. | |
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Autoxdsm
Sergeant
814 Posts
Myrtle Beach, SC
| | 10/18/2006 4:49 AM |
| Titans make successful appearances when you can maximize their use through snake switfness for multiply their high damage and ways to ensure it´ll stay for a long time on the board (healing, bodyguard). LE has none of those.
This is exacally what I was thinking. So i guess the real question is why doesn't LE have snake swiftness? everyone else does?
goblin adept(Cure or Heal)
Thanks for pointing the healing out I think I like this guy. LE have any other healing?? | |
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jeremiahcarissa
Warrior
246 Posts
| | 10/18/2006 5:45 AM |
| | Go super wartroll!!!! I run dual titan trolls and they move mountains. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 10/18/2006 10:03 AM |
| I'd like to say something, but with Blood War right around the corner, my views may change. Right now, I'd say that of all the factions, LE is least likely to be able to adequately support a titan, but, I don't think it's the case that LE cannot do so.
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 10/18/2006 10:55 AM |
| | Depends on whether Lord of Blades has warband building, I think. If he can bring in a Warforged Bodyguard, suddenly LE could support a titan. Whether that titan is the LoB, himself, or something else that fits in the band, I don't think we know, yet. | |
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 10/18/2006 11:21 AM |
| | As long as LoB is 65 pts or less... LoB, WFBG, CC! Whacka, smacka! | | | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 10/18/2006 11:54 AM |
| | I think the cadaver collector is already fairly playable. With a bodyguard it would be legitimately scary. | |
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 10/18/2006 12:01 PM |
| LE is meant to support its titans with debuffers such as the Hexblade. Unfortunately, most of their debuffs are ineffective or overcosted.
Epic Soth with Beholder support is right scary, but that's a rare exception. | | | |
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
960 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 10/18/2006 12:22 PM |
| Posted By Autoxdsm on 10/18/2006 4:49 AM Titans make successful appearances when you can maximize their use through snake switfness for multiply their high damage and ways to ensure it´ll stay for a long time on the board (healing, bodyguard). LE has none of those. This is exacally what I was thinking. So i guess the real question is why doesn't LE have snake swiftness? everyone else does? goblin adept(Cure or Heal) Thanks for pointing the healing out I think I like this guy. LE have any other healing??
Human Blackguard, goblin adept(Cure or Heal), both have cure moderate wounds (10pts only but heal) | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 10/18/2006 2:47 PM |
| Posted By IanB on 10/18/2006 11:54 AM
I think the cadaver collector is already fairly playable. With a bodyguard it would be legitimately scary.
Agreed. I've played CC a few times and its one of the better titans LE has access to. The thing that makes it playable is the second attack i allready has, doesent need a caster with SS to help. | |
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I Tyrant
Warrior
178 Posts
| | 10/18/2006 4:41 PM |
| Posted By Orion72 on 10/18/2006 12:01 PM
LE is meant to support its titans with debuffers such as the Hexblade. Unfortunately, most of their debuffs are ineffective or overcosted.
Bingo, I've actually used the goblin adapt and they are not terrible (10pts?), but don't expect more than what is printed on the card.
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Nobody Important
Sergeant
718 Posts
| | 10/18/2006 4:44 PM |
| There is one area where LE does offer good support is in improving a creature's ATTACK. A large number of commanders can improve a low attack even if some are situational, magic weapon is available at a moderate cost, and flanking can be set up without flanking along with an increased bonus. Two other areas LE does fairly well are morale (due to good command rating and tyrannic morale) and fielding 8 plus activations but other factions can match those. If using an Undead titan LE can also do a good job of "healing" it with repeatable negative energy.
LE may be the master of the de-buff but still lacks any coutersong ability to stop command effects. The second basic problem with debuffs is that they typically go on one of your opponents creatures which means they may or may not help. Additionally, hitting only a single figure still leaves your titan vulnerable to unnerfed opponents. Getting extra attacks also requires your opponent to fail saves and in many cases the more you need the extra attack the less likely you are to get it.
If LE could get some of LG's armor buffs and finally get s'swiftness then it may have a chance. The Corpse Collector may currently be the best LE titan due to its double attack but it still doesn't last long. I think that if LE had some of the titan support LG has then we'd see more LE titans. I for one think place a War Troll in for the Marut (not possible, I know) in many LG builds would still remain an effective warband. | |
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I Tyrant
Warrior
178 Posts
| | 10/18/2006 4:45 PM |
| P.S. erinyes blow, get them if you really like devils or for role playing, but don't expect to get your pts worth out of them, seriously not worth it.
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Ack
Underboss
1476 Posts
| | 10/19/2006 8:35 AM |
| Lets just list the "titan" pieces available to LE and then work from the complete list
Soth
Beholder (in a fashion)
War Troll
Fire Giant
Aspect of Bane
Cadaver Collector
Steel Predator
Barbed Devil (HAHAHHAHHAA!!)
Thraskor
Aspect of Nerull
Some of these are awful pieces for Skirmish.. but they are the big sticks in the LE stables. One of the issues with LE is that they have higher to hits with lower damage & multiple attacks.
I think the 2 best pieces in the price range are the CC and Artemis (im becoming a fan but havent run him yet).. but i REALLY want to get Aspect of Bane to work in Epic. | |
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Zoons
Underboss
1067 Posts
| | 10/19/2006 10:32 AM |
| The CC and War Troll are the only reasonably costed choices in the list in my eyes so far. That's what makes the game exciting. What combos are we missing that can make these other pieces viable? What new piece is on the horrizon that will take a piece from almost good (like the Steel Predator) to contender?
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 10/19/2006 10:37 AM |
| Haven't I already given away the new power combo?
Pit Fiend + Steel Predator!
Sure, it's only two activations... but they're really good ones! | | | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 10/19/2006 12:48 PM |
| | Lord of Blades, Warforged Bodyguard, War Troll would be total sweetness (assuming LoB has the warbanding building to make it work). Let the War Troll take the first hit. Then, while he's regenerating, the bodyguard takes the hits. And, repeat (especially if you find a way to heal the bodybuard). | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 10/19/2006 1:08 PM |
| I think you're right, the bodyguard is a better fit with a cheaper titan. Unless the Lord of Blades is a significant threat on his own, I'm not entirely sure that a bodyguard is a better investment than the extra hitter you give up by running it (exaple, helmed horror in the mind flayer/CC band.)
Remains to be seen what his commander effect is, of course, that could change a lot of the conventional wisdom. Warband building for warforged seems almost entirely guaranteed, but who knows what the CE is? If it turns out to be 'warforged gain fearless' it won't really matter what he can do with the cadaver collector, we'll all be running multi-warforged barbarians.  | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7715 Posts
| | 10/19/2006 1:46 PM |
| | LoB would also be able to bring in the best tile grabber ever, the 8pt WF Scout. No more worrying about u'r kobold miners running off. | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 10/19/2006 2:14 PM |
| War Troll, 69p
Lord of Blades, ?p
Warforged Bodyguard, 32p
Dark Moon Monk, 15p
Warforged Scout, 8p
+filler.
Sounds likea cool idea as long as the LoB actually does this and isnt too expensive.  | |
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Nate_666
Sergeant
801 Posts
Midwest
| | 10/19/2006 3:14 PM |
| And if LoB doesnt have that warband building effect this whole topic is 3/4 pointless 
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jeremiahcarissa
Warrior
246 Posts
| | 10/19/2006 3:57 PM |
| | I say give up on the lob b\c there still isn't enough attacks coming from the titan piece. Dual titans are the only way in LE. | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 10/20/2006 1:59 AM |
| Posted By Nate_666 on 10/19/2006 3:14 PM And if LoB doesnt have that warband building effect this whole topic is 3/4 pointless 
3/4 of everything we do here is pointless. Why stop now? | |
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Autoxdsm
Sergeant
814 Posts
Myrtle Beach, SC
| | 10/20/2006 5:57 AM |
| Well I am glad people are running with the idea but I am still not sure that Lord of blades is the answer. Thats is just bringing over WFBG and having 3 activations is not really going to put it in
tier 1. Seems like Human blackguard and goblin adept could be included for the +morale save and cure moderate wounds. if Lord of Blades is Constructs are legal in your warband then maybe bring over the murat but what does LE have that LG doesn't. So still might not be worth it. | |
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jeremiahcarissa
Warrior
246 Posts
| | 10/20/2006 6:04 AM |
| | The thaskor would be a huge titan if LE ever got SS. It never misses and has great ac with a ton of hp. The wartroll is also a big hitter. I think one of the figures that could benefit from a bodyguard would be a deathknight. These guys just slaughter titans and if he had over a 100 hps he would just be scary. | |
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jeremiahcarissa
Warrior
246 Posts
| | 10/20/2006 6:08 AM |
| | The cure moderate woulds for LE is just ridculus but was a thought of how to heal a person. Great idea but I think there are other things to find in the darkness. | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 10/20/2006 7:51 AM |
| LE needs an Snake S............PLEASE!!! ............thaskor will be great as you say jeremiah!!!
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jeremiahcarissa
Warrior
246 Posts
| | 10/20/2006 8:27 AM |
| | It can and would beat down everything in the current and future meta just on sheer ac and hp. Not to mention the attack bonus, damage....oh he also has a swift stun cone!!!!!! | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7715 Posts
| | 10/20/2006 8:43 AM |
| Posted By Autoxdsm on 10/20/2006 5:57 AM
if Lord of Blades is Constructs are legal in your warband then maybe bring over the murat but what does LE have that LG doesn't. So still might not be worth it.
A Marut in LE would exceptional, it has a negative area effect which would heal all of your undead, and the Kolyarut could then touch heal u'r undead troops as well, but I have a feeling it will be Living Constructs or Warforged only. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 10/20/2006 11:09 AM |
| Posted By Nate_666 on 10/19/2006 3:14 PM And if LoB doesnt have that warband building effect this whole topic is 3/4 pointless
I think it is about the safest assumption we can make with the new set. You can't have a Lord of Blades without warforged followers, and unless there are a bunch of LE warforged this set, he won't have any buddies if he doesn't have it. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 10/21/2006 6:47 AM |
| Posted By Low Key on 10/20/2006 1:59 AM Posted By Nate_666 on 10/19/2006 3:14 PM And if LoB doesnt have that warband building effect this whole topic is 3/4 pointless 3/4 of everything we do here is pointless. Why stop now?
LOL!Â
Most of what we do here is simply pointless prognostication and pontification. But heck, its very fun to do when theres nothing else to do.Â
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
960 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 10/23/2006 8:00 PM |
| Posted By Sirohk on 10/21/2006 6:47 AM Posted By Low Key on 10/20/2006 1:59 AM Posted By Nate_666 on 10/19/2006 3:14 PM And if LoB doesnt have that warband building effect this whole topic is 3/4 pointless 3/4 of everything we do here is pointless. Why stop now?
LOL!Â
Most of what we do here is simply pointless prognostication and pontification. But heck, its very fun to do when theres nothing else to do.Â
Sirohk you are right, is very fun do it!!! | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 10/24/2006 4:00 AM |
| See what I mean? Now this thread is going heavily off-topic as well.
To add something to the topic; I think the Pit Fiend looks promisisng as titans go. Two attacks, high durability with the resists, cool commander effect and spells to make it a ranged threat. With proper support it could be viable. | |
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jeremiahcarissa
Warrior
246 Posts
| | 10/24/2006 10:56 AM |
| | Yeah the pit fiend in a good start but will it end up like the C.Collector? | |
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viper84
Skirmisher
31 Posts
| | 10/24/2006 11:31 AM |
| I assume you're thinking of a Lawful Neutral warband.
Btw, does anyone have the stats on LoB, he looks interesting and I'd like to try and get one when they come out. | | | |
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jeremiahcarissa
Warrior
246 Posts
| | 10/24/2006 3:49 PM |
| | Why all the hype of the LoB? He could be a regular warforge just like the barbarian in a faction all by himself. | |
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viper84
Skirmisher
31 Posts
| | 10/24/2006 7:28 PM |
| | Well I honestly just think he looks cool and wondered if anyone had any updated specs on him. | | | |
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