Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
    
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
 | | 10/27/2006 10:45 AM |
| Until today a lot of Heavy damage titan can't be playable.....
Dragon Mark makes the diference....
- Bodyguard ability gives more survability to your titans (better if you have regeneration....Wartroll), Tordek Needs 2 hits to take off the body guard)Â
- Dragon Mark gives Protection from energy to counter elemental damages, (EX: Bahamut, Tiamat, Mounted Paladin, Godslayers, even Tordek)Â
- Bold, AC 20 and save 9, makes bodyguard more resistance than Warforged Bodyguard.
Now you can run Ao Hextor, Wartroll, Artemis Entreri or Dracolich is good examples of titans, even Tiamat, Displacer Beast Lord can benefit of Dragon Mark.
Ao Hextor 234pts
Large Green Dragon 51pts
2x DragonMark 68pts
Urthok 34pts
Greenspawn sneak 6pts
Goblin Skirmisher 3pts
Kobold Miner 3pts
500pts - Activations 8
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jooquase
Warrior
272 Posts
| | 10/27/2006 11:44 AM |
| | I like it, you can give Hextor imuned to Acid if you don't need anything else and you are free to cone through him with the dragon. The extra 110hp will realy come in handy. Defenetly something I will want to try out. | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 10/27/2006 1:00 PM |
| Yeah, And Ao Hextor gain +4 Attack by multiple threats ........+20 (30 Magic), if you can put Urthok near He can gain +2 more. If you face bahamut you can find some problems with Line Attack ....can fly out you bodyguards to the sky!!!!!.
But other wise is very well....
Any other suggestion??? | |
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 10/27/2006 1:07 PM |
| | Avoid wide open maps. Your opponents will dance around Hextor and not let him get full attacks. Field of Ruin might work - lure an enemy titan onto the center (they tend to go there anyway), then flank with Hextor and the Dragon. A non-flying Large or Huge will be pinned and have to face Hextor's full wrath. | | | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 10/27/2006 1:22 PM |
| WOW thanks ......very good sugestion!!!! Field of Ruin's tactic seems to be the best with this warband. What do you think about LGD?. I think that this unit is really great but I dont have play it in epic yet.
Any other Comment???.... AoH have great melee attack, are you decided to take an AoO to stay off Hextor??? Blade of Storm seems to be really great against multi-attack units, like marilith, Ao bahamut, Ao Tiamat, Justicator, EPIC Ao Kord, EPIC Slaugther Stone Eviserator........ have Blade of Storm good significance to change the game???  | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 10/27/2006 4:43 PM |
| | What do you think about Blade of Storm??? Can this face Marilith??? I think that this skill limit Marilith a lot.... What do you think??? I want to know....... just for curiosity..... | |
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Tgt
Sergeant
574 Posts
| | 10/27/2006 7:09 PM |
| | If he doesn´t die before... the marilith will just need someone to deal 30 extra dmg (or crit twice, can be afforded with Orc Wizard´s spell) to wipe him out in a turn. | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 10/27/2006 8:57 PM |
| ......wait ......I have 2 bodyguard..... i can resist a lot of hits of malith until Ao H Dies. I belive that AoH +2 Bodyguards and you can Hit a lot of blows of Ao H.......
Tgt why you say that AoH dont resist this hits? | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 10/29/2006 6:15 AM |
| Im thinking about new warbnad with Blood war minis.
"Abbator's Hands"
EPIC Ao Hextor 234pts
Zakya Rakshaza 36pts
Large Green Dragon 51pts
2x Dragon marked 68pts
Pit Fiend 105pts
2x Kobold Miner 6pts
Activations -8 / 500pts
AoH gains +5 melee damages and can do 140 damages with stable attack bonus +20, dragon and zakya can hit enemy fodders, commnaders or hitters....... Pit fiend cast area-elemental spells and cna hit in melee.
What do you think about it? | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 10/29/2006 11:23 AM |
| | A Beholder can also slide AoH into position for a full attack. Maybe in your last band, sub a Beholder for the Pit Fiend and choose a cheap commander instead of the kobolds. Depends on how good the Pit Fiend is. I haven't seen the full stats. | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 10/29/2006 11:41 AM |
| Thanks Faragdar for our request. I have test the beholder for now.......but HAVE REALLY GREAT PORBLEM with Dragonmark ..... when she cast protection from energy beholder can avoid your spell....... thats the point. If you are faicing bahamut you need this spell to gives more life to Ao Hextor. Pit Fiend Gives +5 Damages + Inm to fire......
Check Pit fiend here.
http://www.warcraft-guild.com/ddm/bw_stats.html | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 10/31/2006 7:47 PM |
| | What is the best companions of Pit fiend? | |
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PDK
Sneak
134 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 7:50 PM |
| | and id be worried about bodyguards with a weak commander, bahamut can make the whole group run in no time. then again, what cant that king of dragons make run. anyway, i was thinking along the same lines, and it should be fun to experiment with and see if he can live up to his name of the god of war | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 10/31/2006 8:10 PM |
| Yeah maybe Hextor is alive....... We need to test.......
What about Pit Fiend Companions?
- Chain Devil
- Bone Devil
- Ao Hextor
- Ao Nerull
- Erinyes
- Thaskor
- Barbed Devil
- Efreety
- Steel predator
- Justicator
- Zakya rakshaza
- Hell cat
- Horned Devil, ¿¿Ice Devil?? No...
- Mezzoloth
- Achaerai ??? No.....
- Ao Bane....hey wait......No match in 200pts........Heheh meybe in 500pts
- Salamander ......No......
- Flame Brother salamander?, Imp ?, Xorn?, Night Hag, Kumat, Azers..., Bladeling fighter, Formian Warrior, Hell Hound, Vargouille, XILL!!! YEAH,
"BLODDY BLADE OF BAATEZU"
Pit Fiend 105pts
Justicator
2x Xills
Hell Hound 10pts
7 pts fodders.... (2x Kbold Miners)
Activations 7 - 199pts
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 10/31/2006 8:11 PM |
| | I want to see my Xills killing an drummer........Hehehehehe | |
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TheArcher
Skirmisher
29 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 11:49 PM |
| What about something like this:
"Fire and Brimstone"
Pit Fiend
Mezzoloth
Ifreeti
3x Warrior Skeletton
Play on an epic map if possible. Soften up enemies with cloudkill, flame arrows and fireballs then finish in melee... ;-) They can do alot of dmg. Other obvious choice for fiend is aspect of Hextor but I dont own one... | | | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 11/01/2006 6:54 AM |
| Good idea, a lot of damage range and autodamage. And in melee is a real treath....
Personally I think that Mezzoloth is low potencial unit but in this case Works very good.
I think that the better option is!!!
"DARK SLAYERS OF ABYSS"
Pit Fiend 105pts
Juticator 48pts
Zakya Rakshaza 36pts
3x Fillers
Yes......really low activations but Pit Fiend can kill enemy fodders in the first round. | |
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PDK
Sneak
134 Posts
| | 11/01/2006 6:12 PM |
| | Lord of Blades will also work good with AoH, since most epic bands center around one big bad titan his bane spell would give you up to 160 damage a round vs that titan | |
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I Tyrant
Warrior
178 Posts
| | 11/02/2006 4:09 AM |
| Posted By Ryoga on 11/01/2006 6:54 AM
I think that the better option is!!!
"DARK SLAYERS OF ABYSS"
Pit Fiend 105pts
Juticator 48pts
Zakya Rakshaza 36pts
3x Fillers
I'd use the maug over the justicator, it's true the justicator has better lvl. hps & attack, but the maug is fearless, cost's less, does more damage, has spell resistance and a ton of immunities thanks to it's construct traits. Being immune to critical hits is what I think really sells the maug, there are alot more vorpal like effects in play than before, not to mention the use of the orc wizard.
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TheArcher
Skirmisher
29 Posts
| | 11/02/2006 4:35 AM |
| I'd use the maug over the justicator, it's true the justicator has better lvl. hps & attack, but the maug is fearless, cost's less, does more damage
I think the idea was to include outsiders so they profit from the PF's CFX. That way the Justicator does 20magic each strike, the maug only 20 | | | |
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TheArcher
Skirmisher
29 Posts
| | 11/02/2006 4:41 AM |
| I think that the better option is!!!
"DARK SLAYERS OF ABYSS"
Pit Fiend 105pts
Juticator 48pts
Zakya Rakshaza 36pts
3x Fillers
The idea with Mezzolozh and Ifreeti was to have three units that all profit from the PF's cfx while being able to stay back with him at first softening up the enemy.
Yes......really low activations but Pit Fiend can kill enemy fodders in the first round.
can he? Depends on how the enemy assembles his units on his start area. If he has but one fire resistant screener your pit fiend will do probably nothing until melee starts. With Mezzoloth you would have another "energy-type" ranged attack... | | | |
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I Tyrant
Warrior
178 Posts
| | 11/02/2006 5:05 AM |
| Posted By TheArcher on 11/02/2006 4:35 AM I'd use the maug over the justicator, it's true the justicator has better lvl. hps & attack, but the maug is fearless, cost's less, does more damage I think the idea was to include outsiders so they profit from the PF's CFX. That way the Justicator does 20magic each strike, the maug only 20
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 11/02/2006 5:16 AM |
| I think that Justicator is better option, because he have Magic damages, AC 22, deal 20 damages with PF, and have really important thing Smite Chaos +10. I test PF and is really dangeorus fight against Chaotics warband, because they can center damages and kill PF too quick (Frenzied Berserks, Eye of Grusmh).
Im very sceptical about Mezzoloth because He lacks of really competative Stats, 44 points Unita that only do 25 damages??? I prefer Justicator that can deal 40 damages in an full attack or 50 damages to chaotic opponent. | |
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I Tyrant
Warrior
178 Posts
| | 11/02/2006 5:49 AM |
| Posted By Ryoga on 11/02/2006 5:16 AM
I think that Justicator is better option, because he have Magic damages, AC 22, deal 20 damages with PF, and have really important thing Smite Chaos +10. I test PF and is really dangeorus fight against Chaotics warband, because they can center damages and kill PF too quick (Frenzied Berserks, Eye of Grusmh).
I think your missing the point on the justicator, the justicator is better at fighting lawful warbands than it is with choatic warbands, the fact that it has one use of smite chaos +10 does not mean it is specialized at killing chaotics. Also keep in mind if chaotic warbands are ripping through the PF easily, what will they do to a softer justicator, since high AC does not seem to matter.Â
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 11/02/2006 6:10 AM |
| Oh!!! Tyrant I forget to say that is better an +17/+12 than +11/+11..... Maug never hit an LG AC...... Maug is better in Quad warbands that have MW source and Cfx that increase attack bonus. Is better Justicator than Mezzoloth or Maug???? I think that is better Justicator, What do you think.
Tyrant, is better if you test Justicator and Maug, Im ready test it with PF and is much much better Justicator..... | |
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BigMongo
Sneak
101 Posts
| | 11/02/2006 1:32 PM |
| You think AoHextor is the best titan? Try out this warband.
Dracolich
Beholder
Red Wizard
Orc Wizard
Dragonmark Heir X2
Greenspawn Sneak
7 Activations - 500pts.
Beholder can slide and heal the dracolich both on low rolls.
Orc Wizard gives Keen 18 to draco and can do 10dmg plus slide with no save and his fireburst does 30 which is halved nicer to 15dmg than 10.
Sneak grabs points.
Heirs can bodyguard and protect themselves or draco with their spell.
Onlything the Drco has to worry about being hit from is the fireball from the red wizard, which it will probably have immune fire from the heir considering all the fire dmg that is in epic.
I also considered a Gith Fighter for Blur on the Draco but I wasn't sure how many creatures had blindsight/blindfight in epic. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 11/03/2006 3:30 AM |
| Posted By BigMongo on 11/02/2006 1:32 PM
You think AoHextor is the best titan? Try out this warband.
Dracolich
Beholder
Red Wizard
Orc Wizard
Dragonmark Heir X2
Greenspawn Sneak
7 Activations - 500pts.
Beholder can slide and heal the dracolich both on low rolls.
Orc Wizard gives Keen 18 to draco and can do 10dmg plus slide with no save and his fireburst does 30 which is halved nicer to 15dmg than 10.
Sneak grabs points.
Heirs can bodyguard and protect themselves or draco with their spell.
Onlything the Drco has to worry about being hit from is the fireball from the red wizard, which it will probably have immune fire from the heir considering all the fire dmg that is in epic.
I also considered a Gith Fighter for Blur on the Draco but I wasn't sure how many creatures had blindsight/blindfight in epic.
An interesting warband for 500 pt Epic, adding in the Dragonmark to Bodyguard the Darcolich and or Beholder.Â
The only real drawback is that the Red Wizard is very squishy and in Epic play, likely dead very easily and quickly. Plus, the low hip points on the Dracolich have consistently held this ok piece back (even with Healig from the Beholder).
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Knight of the Rahshasa's
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 11/03/2006 6:02 AM |
| | I do not think dragonmark will be useful in tier 1 mode but maybe a very interesting support piece because her energy inmunity.At least,elf pyromancer does it and a lot of CG warbands select him as their support piece.Maybe...I,ll ask much properly when bloodwars was released | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 11/03/2006 8:03 AM |
| Dragonmark is Tier 1!!!!!!!!! Thsi unit is Absolut!!!! When you play against it you can fell her fury....... Thsi unit change all the meta gaming......
iluvxtina, LE factions need an bodyguard a long time ago...... | |
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TheArcher
Skirmisher
29 Posts
| | 11/04/2006 3:44 AM |
| I do not think dragonmark will be useful in tier 1 mode but maybe a very interesting support piece because her energy inmunity.At least,elf pyromancer does it and a lot of CG warbands select him as their support piece.Maybe...I,ll ask much properly when bloodwars was released
Ehmmm....yes, DMHOD is about as useful in tier1 for LE as the warforged bodyguard is for LG...only much more because of energy immunity. | | | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 11/04/2006 6:44 AM |
| Posted By Ryoga on 11/03/2006 8:03 AM
Dragonmark is Tier 1!!!!!!!!! Thsi unit is Absolut!!!! When you play against it you can fell her fury....... Thsi unit change all the meta gaming......
iluvxtina, LE factions need an bodyguard a long time ago......
I'm not so sure yet that the Dragonmark is tier 1. A lot of play testing needs to be done first.Â
Yes, LE did indeed need a Bodyguard to make its "Titans" and some of its potentially good commanders more viable. And it indeed may change the meta, but IMO what CG got in this set will have more of an impact than the Dragonmark (of course CG now potentially has to deal with LG and LE Titan / Bodyguard warbands  ).Â
For LE, suddenly titans like Aspect of Hextor, the new Fire Giant Forgepriest, and the War Troll (if you consider it a Titan) look much more playable.Â
Once squishy commanders now look possibly more playable with the Dragonmark Bodyguarding them (ie Half Orc Fighter) so as to maximize your hitters. It is 34 points + commander, which can be expensive pending your commander choice.  Still, I'd rather have another Duergar Champ than the Dragonmark in Human Blackguard Quad LE hitter warbands.Â
I guess only time will tell the impact of the Dragonmark. And there are two more sets coming out that can have an impact on the meta.Â
Cheers.
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 11/04/2006 6:55 AM |
| Thanks Sirohk for your request. I playing the dragon marked for a long time, using Earth sugenga instead, I all ready test her power against bahamut, Tiamat, Belchers, Marut, GAS and other pices of the Tier 1. What is the result..... this unit is awesome I have no words to say how many this unit help LE warbands.
Im very surpriced with DragonMark + Forge Priest ...... 205 Hps and Inmune to cold make this unit A solid heavy wall that hits really hard..... | |
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