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Jerry_Damage01
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Sneak

146 Posts

10/30/2006 1:49 PM
Ok, so after the prerelease it was time for some playtesting and after some discussion this was a band that I playtested and think it has potential. There are a few tweaks that can be made to it I'm sure and it does require more playtesting but as of right now I think it's a solid concept. The band is this: Fire Giant Forge Priest Rakshasa Dragonmark Heir x 2 Dire Rat Kobold Miner Map: Drow Outpost The dual bodyguard gives the FGFP an effective 260 hps with an AC 23. Last night I playtested it against a Dual Maralith build and was able to beat it with the Fire Giant. Further playtesting is required to know if it was a flash in the pan idea or not, but I figured I'd get thoughts from other people on it.

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jooquase
Warrior
Warrior

272 Posts

10/30/2006 2:27 PM
I was actualy thinking the same thing but with Aspect of Hextor instead of the Fire Giant (the Dragonmarks can use there sneek attacks while adjacent to Hextor) Also leaves you 9 pts extra to upgrade your folder.

Sirohk
Commander

3938 Posts

USA

10/30/2006 2:50 PM
Posted by Jerry_Damago1 10/30/06 Ok, so after the prerelease it was time for some playtesting and after some discussion this was a band that I playtested and think it has potential. There are a few tweaks that can be made to it I'm sure and it does require more playtesting but as of right now I think it's a solid concept. The band is this: Fire Giant Forge Priest Rakshasa Dragonmark Heir x 2 Dire Rat Kobold Miner Map: Drow Outpost The dual bodyguard gives the FGFP an effective 260 hps with an AC 23. Last night I playtested it against a Dual Maralith build and was able to beat it with the Fire Giant. Further playtesting is required to know if it was a flash in the pan idea or not, but I figured I'd get thoughts from other people on it. Posted By jooquase on 10/30/2006 2:27 PM I was actualy thinking the same thing but with Aspect of Hextor instead of the Fire Giant (the Dragonmarks can use there sneek attacks while adjacent to Hextor) Also leaves you 9 pts extra to upgrade your folder. I was think about both warbands and I like both warbands. The only drawbacks I see are that the first warband only has 6 activations, and neither warband is making use of the Forgepriests special ability - Forge Blessing.� So how about this one: Fire Giant Forgepriest 84 Urthok 34 Chraal 35 Dragonmark 34 x3 Warrior Skeletons 9 Dire Rat 4 200 pts, 8 activations Chrall gets magic Weapon, Dragonmark can Energy Protect Cold the Forgeproest, Chrall can breath through Forgepriest, Dragonmark can protect Forgepriest and Urthok. The rest for fill.� Altimately, play testing, play testing, play testing, will come up with the best combination(s). Especailly against he rest of the new figures that have been added to the meta with Blood Wars.� Cheers.

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GiliusThunderHead
Sneak
Sneak

99 Posts

10/30/2006 3:24 PM
Here's the first thing I do when I get my hand on a Forgepriest Firegiant Forgepriest Dragonmark Heir Urthok Snig + Sniglets 3 acheron Goblins and 1 Greenspawn sneak Either that or 4 Acheron Goblins instead of 3 and a sneak. probably not all that well thought out, but will be fun as hell...hehe --GiliusThunderHead

Jerry_Damage01
Sneak
Sneak

146 Posts

10/30/2006 3:56 PM
Between Urthok and Snig, those goblins can be quite Nasty Gil. I'm partial to the Uber Fire Giant though .

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calvar
Warrior
Warrior

226 Posts

10/31/2006 5:45 AM
I was thinkink that since forgepriest gives magig damage a good option would be: Forgepriest Helmed horror Dragonmark Half orc fighter Filler lots of hit points, attack bonus and quite some damage.

djtool
Sergeant

584 Posts

Crystal MN, USA

10/31/2006 7:35 AM
I don't want to highjack your thread but if you want to play dual dragonmarked perhaps look at aspect of moradin.

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wicked cool
Underboss

2151 Posts

10/31/2006 7:46 AM
hlemed horror or maug would both be good choices for fire giant along with a dragonmark

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Jerry_Damage01
Sneak
Sneak

146 Posts

10/31/2006 2:05 PM
Posted By djtool on 10/31/2006 7:35 AM I don't want to highjack your thread but if you want to play dual dragonmarked perhaps look at aspect of moradin. I have thought about that and actually had a band with 2 Warforged Bodyguards and AOM that I ran a few times. It did pretty well but I dropped it in favor of other things as I didn't think the damage output was there.� I like the Forgepriest a bit better than Moradin. Same AC, same level, but Forgepriest has a better to hit, is cheaper, has more hps, and does more damage than AOM does.� So between the two I think I'll go with the Forgepriest. But the AOM and dual bodyguard does deserve some more testing.

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Jerry_Damage01
Sneak
Sneak

146 Posts

10/31/2006 2:08 PM
Posted By wicked cool on 10/31/2006 7:46 AM hlemed horror or maug would both be good choices for fire giant along with a dragonmark I like the idea of the HH with him. He'd serve as a great flanker and could actually do some damage since he'd benefit from Forge Blessing. I'll have to playtest both to see which one works better.

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Sirohk
Commander

3938 Posts

USA

11/04/2006 1:39 PM
Here's another Fire Giant Forgepriest warband idea: Firegiant Forgepriest 84 Rhashasa 41 Dragonmark 34 Flameskull 25 16 pts filler to 8 activations Rhakshasa is a fairly sturdy commander that can use its Slapping Hands and Slide spells to help his large buddy. Flameskull with Concel 6 and flight can act as flanker / blocker or use ranged attack after getting off is Fireball.� Any thoughts folks?�

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Sirohk
Commander

3938 Posts

USA

11/09/2006 4:49 PM
Posted By GiliusThunderHead on 10/30/2006 3:24 PM Here's the first thing I do when I get my hand on a Forgepriest Firegiant Forgepriest Dragonmark Heir Urthok Snig + Sniglets 3 acheron Goblins and 1 Greenspawn sneak Either that or 4 Acheron Goblins instead of 3 and a sneak. probably not all that well thought out, but will be fun as hell...hehe --GiliusThunderHead I really like this warband. 11 activations is just nuts. All those Goblins can be killer, get some flanking and adjacent goblins and they have a pretty good chance to do some (magic) damage. Add in Urthoks CFX and its even sweeter.� I'm really like the Acheron Goblins at 30 hp for cost of 7 points. The only negative that I can see is its a little slow at an average speed 6.� It's almost a Goblin Swarm warband.�

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Nate_666
Sergeant

801 Posts

Midwest

11/09/2006 7:08 PM
Lol, im also very pro arch goblins + snig and urthork, 15 dmg per hit with a pretty good chance to hit if flanking and meeting all the conditions for other bonuses like there benefit for adjacent goblins and urthorks effect. A fought a similar band on vassel and without any cones or large AoE it was pretty hard to kill them all effectivly and make it worth killing them.

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Autoxdsm
Sergeant

814 Posts

Myrtle Beach, SC

11/09/2006 7:44 PM
Forgepriest Helmed horror Dragonmark Half orc fighter Filler I was thinking of this same core the other night but ended up playing something very similar: Half Orc fighter FGFP Duergar Champion Dragonmark heir Large Duergar Blue Goblin Skirmishers x2 Ended up beating a Cadaver Collector band...he is pretty scary.

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ESBurt
Skirmisher

11 Posts

11/09/2006 7:51 PM
Posted By GiliusThunderHead on 10/30/2006 3:24 PM Here's the first thing I do when I get my hand on a Forgepriest Firegiant Forgepriest Dragonmark Heir Urthok Snig + Sniglets 3 acheron Goblins and 1 Greenspawn sneak Either that or 4 Acheron Goblins instead of 3 and a sneak. probably not all that well thought out, but will be fun as hell...hehe --GiliusThunderHead I don't know anyone lame enough to lose to this band more than once. Wait, I resemble that remark. Curses! -Red Arse of the Baboon

Autoxdsm
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814 Posts

Myrtle Beach, SC

11/09/2006 7:58 PM
Anything with fire giant forgepriest in it you could lose.

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Lord_rock
Underboss

2045 Posts

Portland OR

11/10/2006 7:34 PM
Is he the real deal??? data not conclusive... it seems like a long long day against fire immune or resistant citters... lack of commanders in LE that are either cheapish or don't provide an att bonus (neither of which LE is good at) or above 3 commander ratings doesn't boad so well... LE has been lacking in good new commanders for quite some time... when they get a new one in the mid 30's look out...

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Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss

1085 Posts

Southeast PA

11/10/2006 8:39 PM
LE got a great commander in the 30ish range - Red Hand War Sorcerer.

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iluvxtina
Underboss

1501 Posts

Spain

11/11/2006 1:42 AM
forgepriest sounds better than fire giant but the ministures desing is poor.....this hairstyle is really ugly.I prefer without no doubt my old fire giant.In skirmish is different because forgepriest looks like much more playable than fire giant.The blessing is his best ability.

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Vrecknidj
Warlord
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10493 Posts

United States

11/11/2006 4:06 AM
He's definitely a monster in Limited play. I played a League event last weekend and got him in my first booster. I didn't play him every time, but whenever I did play him I won. I'm not so convinced of his absolute power in Constructed. Don't get me wrong, I think he'll be competitive, but he's not going to be quite as good in Constructed as he is in Sealed. Dave

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Sirohk
Commander

3938 Posts

USA

11/11/2006 4:54 AM
Posted By Chad the DragonLordofAiur on 11/10/2006 8:39 PM LE got a great commander in the 30ish range - Red Hand War Sorcerer. I'll second that LE got a pretty good 30ish pt commander in the Red Hand Sorcerer. He's not the commander 5 or 6 everybody wants, be he has some good spells and a nice CFX. 3 lightningbolt spells. And he's speed 6.� The drawbacks - only commander 3 means you'll loose more initiatives (& map choice), the +3 to MC's is pretty poor, and you need to really protect him due to his low HP. He's not as hardy as the HBG or even Urthok for that matter. And, he wants to be up in the fray to make best use of his CFX and spells.� I for one though plan to give him a try if I can find the right warband combination.�

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Sirohk
Commander

3938 Posts

USA

11/11/2006 5:04 AM
Posted By Vrecknidj on 11/11/2006 4:06 AM He's definitely a monster in Limited play. I played a League event last weekend and got him in my first booster. I didn't play him every time, but whenever I did play him I won. I'm not so convinced of his absolute power in Constructed. Don't get me wrong, I think he'll be competitive, but he's not going to be quite as good in Constructed as he is in Sealed. Dave I'm hearing a lot of rave reviews on how good the FGFP is.� I agree with Vrecknidj that I think the jury is still out on this one.� Yes, he is a BEAST, especially in sealed. And he looks pretty darn good in constructed. And I for sure plan to spend some time trying him out. But at his cost plus the Dragonmark for Bodyguarding and add in a commander that gives the FGFP a reasonable chance to make his MC (plus good ini's) leaves little room for anything else that makes best use of his Forge Blessing. I still forsee the FGFP having a hard time versus SWarm, GAS, CG ranged warbands (possibly).� We'll see tough, This guy just may be the real deal and he'll definately see a lot of playing time.� Ah shucks, who am I kidding. I love this big match head!� Cheers.�

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lingster
Sergeant

778 Posts

11/28/2006 3:56 AM
I played this band this weekend: Firegiant Forgepriest Dragonmark Heir Urthok Snig + Sniglets 3 acheron Goblins and 1 Greenspawn sneak My Map was the Drow Outpost. I went 2 an 1. My only loss was to the Dual Dragonlith band. Them combined with Silverhand hurt hard. They went 3-0 Things I noticed: All my points stuck in one "titan". This can be good or bad. Against the dragonkiths, bad. Everyone else I fought, good. I even fought against the same band, save instead of FGFP, he had the Horned Devil. Also, I didn't bring Snig's skirmishers, but rather a mix of warriors and one skirmisher. The range threat would have helped. All in all, not a bad band.

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2151 Posts

11/28/2006 6:07 AM
what was your strategy when using this warband on drow outpost? i would think you would want a more open area where you can swarm with your goblins and giant? im not as familiar with the drow outpost as other maps. did the giant play th role of the large silver and that you got in a kill/hit and then defended rest of game?

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Sirohk
Commander

3938 Posts

USA

11/28/2006 4:51 PM
Posted By lingster on 11/28/2006 3:56 AM I played this band this weekend: Firegiant Forgepriest Dragonmark Heir Urthok Snig + Sniglets 3 acheron Goblins and 1 Greenspawn sneak My Map was the Drow Outpost. I went 2 an 1. My only loss was to the Dual Dragonlith band. Them combined with Silverhand hurt hard. They went 3-0 Things I noticed: All my points stuck in one "titan". This can be good or bad. Against the dragonkiths, bad. Everyone else I fought, good. I even fought against the same band, save instead of FGFP, he had the Horned Devil. Also, I didn't bring Snig's skirmishers, but rather a mix of warriors and one skirmisher. The range threat would have helped. All in all, not a bad band. Nice report lingster.� Too bad I could not make it to crush your FGFP warband with my, oh never mind, I'll keep it a secret for now.� I'd also like to your thoughts on using the Drow Outpost with the Goblin swarm? With the slow Dragonkith (speed 4), you should have been able to use the Goblins as a wall in front of you, got the the bridge first, and then attacked over them.� I also agree that the skirmisers might have helped as you had no ranged threat.� Hope to see ya in 2 weeks.� Cheers. Sirohk

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DinoBen
Sergeant

412 Posts

Based outta Games of Berkeley, CA

11/29/2006 10:47 AM
I played the following band last night: Fire Giant Forge Priest 2x Helmed Horror Snig + Sniglets 2x Kobold Miner for a total of 9 activations I chose the Drow outpost due to the FGFPs reach and the flying HHs. And I ended up playing against perhaps my worst match up: Pit Fiend Zakya Rakshasa Mezzoloth Duegar Fighter Azer Raider Greenspawn Sneak - ALL HIS HITTERS WERE IMMUNE FIRE!!! We played on the Outpost, which didn't necessarily do me any favors other than keep my opponent from tile points (I put the FGFP on his side of the bridge, forcing him to run around the map). The skirmish pretty much boiled down to a single roll - my FGFPs morale save - a 55% chance roll with a commander zero. NOT good odds. I rolled a 14 and ended up winning (HUZZAH!) even though the odds were against me. However, I know that if I had rolled a 9 or lower, my opponent would have been able to take our the rest of my warband w/ his Pit Fiend while I tried to rally my FGFP. All in all, I like the FGFP, but I'm still not convinced that he is Tier 1.

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Sirohk
Commander

3938 Posts

USA

11/29/2006 3:19 PM
Posted By DinoBen on 11/29/2006 10:47 AM All in all, I like the FGFP, but I'm still not convinced that he is Tier 1. After a number of games, I beginning to think the same thing.� I really really like the big fella, hair and all, but he is kinda slow to get to the combat, especially on certain maps. I gotta fine tune his dance partners to try and find the best combination.� Some notes from some recent games played: 1) The Dragonmark in a FGFP warband has little chance of consistently using her Sneak Attack. 2) A FGFP warband might be better off with another hitter. 3) The speed 6 of the FGFP warband gets half your forces killed or badly damaged versus Storm / CG ranged warbands, especially on certain maps.� 4) I'm wondering if using a Thayan Knight (30 pts) with that Arrow Catching Shield ability would be worth using with the FGFP?� More thoughts to follow....

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Gohu
Sneak
Sneak

80 Posts

11/29/2006 6:17 PM
Posted By Sirohk on 11/29/2006 3:19 PM Posted By DinoBen on 11/29/2006 10:47 AM All in all, I like the FGFP, but I'm still not convinced that he is Tier 1. After a number of games, I beginning to think the same thing.� I really really like the big fella, hair and all, but he is kinda slow to get to the combat, especially on certain maps. I gotta fine tune his dance partners to try and find the best combination.� Some notes from some recent games played: 1) The Dragonmark in a FGFP warband has little chance of consistently using her Sneak Attack. 2) A FGFP warband might be better off with another hitter. 3) The speed 6 of the FGFP warband gets half your forces killed or badly damaged versus Storm / CG ranged warbands, especially on certain maps.� 4) I'm wondering if using a Thayan Knight (30 pts) with that Arrow Catching Shield ability would be worth using with the FGFP?� More thoughts to follow.... well to cover it weakness what about this: MC - Put it with one of the Blackguard = FGFP Fearless - with urthok for a MC on a 5 or more Partner - If he his your only beater too much heat so put him with 1 or 2 hitter, if with urthok, let's say a Duergar Champion or two, or HH, and still room for snig & sniglet and a archeron goblin or two if with blakguard, a Chraal, HH and could fit snig and his gang for activation Speed (on certain map that can be bad. ) - Maybe partner with high speed so they can begin and wait for him, let's say: Chraal or Zakya ? - maybe a large green dragon than can breath on second turn on the ranged warband ? -screener for the ranged band that can absord the damage 'till it reach the heat, say a construct ? HH or Maug who also benifit from forged blessing ? i don't think that the bodyguard is a "MUST" if it is not your only threat. i really like this mini, and i think that can be tier 1 ... well will see about that !! ;-)

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Kissmykiester
Sergeant

525 Posts

11/29/2006 6:43 PM
Drow Outpost is the wrong map for a forgepriest. You wanna choose a map that's relatively open and where he won't be hindered by his speed. That said Uthok is the best Cmd to stick him with and I suggest losing the Dragon Heir and putting in more hitters like the D.Champs x2. That'll leave you with about 16 points for fillers.

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Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss

1085 Posts

Southeast PA

11/29/2006 11:10 PM
I completely disagree, the Outpost is good for the Giant. The shared victory area is easy for the Giant to reach with his speed 6. Titans perform better when you can force the enemy to come to them. The narrow bridge does just that. This allows you to park the giant on the bridge and secure victory points every round. The Giant doesn't have to chase anyone down. The last thing you want is for him to have to move and attack. If he does that then 84 points of your band that round only did a maximum of 30 damage. That's terrible. You need the Giant to be making full attacks to maximize his power. Why do you think Marut/Bodyguard and Korducopia used that map? An open map allows the enemy hitters to swarm the giant easily and flank him. Keep the Giant on your own side of the narrow part of the bridge but still in the VA so there are only two spaces for the enemy to base the giant in the front. You have more spaces on your side to bring up support and attack. If the enemy has a large base only one will be able to base the Giant. Your Giant is almost certainly tougher in one on one combat than a single enemy hitter.

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greyhaze
Warlord
Warlord

7715 Posts

11/30/2006 7:11 AM
I'll have to agree with Chad. The VA's on Drow Outpost are easily controlled, they have to face you or get very close behind you to get to them, and that's the allure. The FGFP warband will have better luck controlling the center rather than running after another warband in open areas where they can surround and pound your titan (not that they'd always want to). The Dragonmark is not as good on Drow Outpost though, she ends up just being a few HPs and an energy shield and can't contribute to the fight. The Chraal is an excellent choice here (especially with the Blackguard) as it can race to the center at Speed 8, benefits from the Forge Blessing and has a breathweapon + deathburst. The Xorn is also a good choice for a flanker as it can get around without flight. Drow Outpost (7 activations) FGFP HBG Chraal Xorn Timber Wolf Goblin Skirmisher x2

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Kgradert
Skirmisher

5 Posts

11/30/2006 7:57 AM
I played the following in our weekly Tuesday event: Red Hand War Sorcerer Fire Giant Forgepriest War Troll Dire Rat Goblin Skirmisher x3 Map - Drow Outpost I went 3-0, beating GAS, a FGFP/Dragonmark band and a LG Construct band The War Sorcerer may be a better fit then Urthok in the band I played, where the +2 to hit doesn't help much (although the command rating is nice), but lobbing Lightning bolts along the narrow bridge through your own guys, who are immune, can be absolutely devesatating. I was also able to use my own goblins as lightning rods to kill things in the forest in my 2nd game, which was against the other FGFP band. Greespawns can hide, but they still die to a LB run through the FGFP.

DinoBen
Sergeant

412 Posts

Based outta Games of Berkeley, CA

11/30/2006 10:50 AM
Posted By greyhaze on 11/30/2006 7:11 AM I'll have to agree with Chad. The VA's on Drow Outpost are easily controlled, they have to face you or get very close behind you to get to them, and that's the allure. The FGFP warband will have better luck controlling the center rather than running after another warband in open areas where they can surround and pound your titan (not that they'd always want to). This is the primary reason I chose this map - for the choke point. That is also why I chose to use Helmed Horrors. They were able to fly over the chasm to provide flankers and in a pinch they are a ranged threat: 5 magic damage at +11 can be very effective at removing enemy fodder. I also like the idea of the Chraal racing ahead - OR around the side to flank with the FGFP. One well placed Cone can really change the tide of a skirmish. Thanks a lot for the input everyone!

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Orion72
Underboss

1917 Posts

11/30/2006 11:05 AM
I like using the Mind Flayer on the Outpost when you have a big beefy blocker. It can use its Stun cones across the pits without fear of retaliation, and its CFX combined with the FGFP's big beats will have enemies running for their lives.

Sirohk
Commander

3938 Posts

USA

11/30/2006 4:20 PM
Posted By greyhaze on 11/30/2006 7:11 AM The Chraal is an excellent choice here (especially with the Blackguard) as it can race to the center at Speed 8, benefits from the Forge Blessing and has a breathweapon + deathburst. The Xorn is also a good choice for a flanker as it can get around without flight. Drow Outpost (7 activations) FGFP HBG Chraal Xorn Timber Wolf Goblin Skirmisher x2 I really like the idea of the Chraal. - Speed 8 gets you to where you want to be - Speed 8 and BW are very deadly versus CG ranged bands - Chraal immune to criticals useful versus that new pesky Valenar Nomad Charger The Drow Outpost looks good in practice, but you gotta get there.� I might also try the Rakshasa on the Drow Outpost. You can Slide away hitters without melee reach 2 and force them to only get 1 swing per round. Or you can simply slide them into the pit.� Any thoughts on using the Flameskull?� - 25 Fearless HP - Conceal 6 - Range 6 Fireball that you could target on the FGFP - Has a ranged attack that he can fire across the pit - Immune Fire and Cold (ie the Chraal)

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Lord_rock
Underboss

2045 Posts

Portland OR

11/30/2006 5:50 PM
I'm not sold on the firegiant without the dragonmark heir or with the red hand... i really really really don't see the red hand war sorc as a good commander for the firegiant... low low low moral... he is slightly more attractive with the dragonmark (counters moral with hp and bold, can protect commander in a tight spot). LE just doesn't get by on commander 3... yet they still keep getting commander 3... hmmm... well thats assuming your not running all fearless... which LE can do now... kinda scary when you think of it that way...

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Kissmykiester
Sergeant

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12/01/2006 9:40 AM
Posted By Chad the DragonLordofAiur on 11/29/2006 11:10 PM I completely disagree, the Outpost is good for the Giant. The shared victory area is easy for the Giant to reach with his speed 6. Titans perform better when you can force the enemy to come to them. The narrow bridge does just that. This allows you to park the giant on the bridge and secure victory points every round. The Giant doesn't have to chase anyone down. The last thing you want is for him to have to move and attack. If he does that then 84 points of your band that round only did a maximum of 30 damage. That's terrible. You need the Giant to be making full attacks to maximize his power. Why do you think Marut/Bodyguard and Korducopia used that map? An open map allows the enemy hitters to swarm the giant easily and flank him. Keep the Giant on your own side of the narrow part of the bridge but still in the VA so there are only two spaces for the enemy to base the giant in the front. You have more spaces on your side to bring up support and attack. If the enemy has a large base only one will be able to base the Giant. Your Giant is almost certainly tougher in one on one combat than a single enemy hitter. I dunno man, I'm partial to Dragon Graveyard. If I go with say, Uthok, D.Champ and DragonMark Heir - that basically 4 hitters; including the fire giant forge priest. I kinda want open ground to either swarm or have some areas to hide in if I need protection from range. With Drow Outpost, any creature with line, or range with say 2 fearless Dragonkith is gonna ruin your day. That and with a Maximum move of 12 you're not going to be able to stop your opponent from getting onto the bridge and scoring tile points like say Kord back with Warforge Bodyguard. With 23ac and 150 hp to chew through, I'm not really worried about whether I do 30 now and 60 later. It adds up to 90. Enough to kill or at least force a morale. And let's not forget Cleave. The Fire Giant is fomidable all right. Back with a CMD 5, a bodyguard and a D Champ, it's Tier one all the way.

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Chad the DragonLordofAiur
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12/01/2006 11:48 AM
Dragon Graveyard is fine - I was just opposing your idea that the Outpost was bad for the Giant. Other maps may be just as good or better depending on your build as you say. Any multi-hitter band wants to swarm the enemy. Titans need to be swarmed on to bring them down. The narrow bridge helps keep the titan from getting swarmed on. Thats all that I meant. The Fire Giant would be even better on the bridge if he had flying support that could still swarm the enemy yet keep the Giant from being swarmed back.

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