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Werburn
Skirmisher
10 Posts
    
 | | 11/07/2006 10:43 AM |
| Browsing through these forums since BW has come out has been like walking through a ghost town...at least for me. Not that everybody has vanish, but rather, that everybody seems preoccupied with this or that cool piece...and less so as to which pieces will either make new Tier 1 bands, or which pieces will make it into existing tier 1 bands...
As much as I like the minis, or the idea behind them, alot of minis such as Ice Devil, Horned Devil etc. just don't look like they have the oomph for their points. Solar seems promising, although moreso in epic, in my opinion. But what purpose does the solar serve that we don't already have? he does a whopping 75 dmg in melee on his own...whereas Kord only does 30 (40 with aggression)...but start adding snake's swiftnesses into the mix, and Kord catches up to an extant (although will never entirely catchup in damage...75+25=100 vs 40+30=70 etc.). The solar is 105 points, Kord is 65...thats basically 40 pts for his slaying arrow and his cfx...unfortunately, being a commander, the solar cannot make use of other cfx which hurts...what do you guys think?
...moving on, the Maug looks promising to me...8 pts more than a D.champ, and very very comparable (for relative point costs) combat ability. I personally think Maug will become yet another plug and play beater in LE's repretoir (one that has construct traits, and thus is anti-GAS). Im not sure as to his usefulness in LG as I don't really play the faction...
Personally, my favorite piece of the set, skirmish wise, is Storm Silv....I mean, no, not her...actually, its the Bluespawn Stormlizard. I haven't heard alot of discussion as to the stormlizard, but it looks very very promising to me. (I might be biased towards LE though ;p). Currently I think 2x stormlizard looks awesome for the points. thats 78 points for 2x AC23 (good AC) speed 8 (avg to good) 70hp (1.66:1 hp to point ratio I think...) meatsticks that, while doing a respectable 20dmg (non-magic, but its 20 so it makes up for it) at +13 (avg to good dmg...not as good as most of LE's beaters who get multiple attacks), have powerful charge (30 dmg on charges, yay), and each can cast Lightning Bolt once and a swift mini-lightning bolt twice (though they have to be positioned correctly)...
One piece I'm unsure of is the Red Hand War Sorcerer...at first glance it seems as if it will threaten to do some meta swinging (making spells more useful, thus a larger variety of spell bands and anti-spell tech being used)...but I'm not entirely sure. Any input on this one?
As for some of the neat warband building things we are getting in the way of Lord of Blades and Storm Silverhand...how useful they really are depends only on one thing. It isnt how versatile their warband building might be, nor how many pieces it can bring in or from what faction. The only thing that says whether or not they will be of any use at all is whether a very synergistic combonation of pieces is found...seeing as these pieces cost as much as they do, it would likely even require that they are one of the pieces in the combo (and example: Kord + Coutl...Coutl brings in Kord, and then casts SS on himand gives him some help living longer by way of resistances...this is amplified by various support tech of LG, but the two main pieces are Kord and Coutl). I can't really see much use for LoB, but Storm Silverhand may or may not be useful. So far, I can't see it, but she has alot more room to work with, and does still bring alot for 57 pts, even without the warband building.
Any other pieces standing out to you guys? I mean, not ones that are cool or look fun to play, but ones that are downright competitive...
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 11/07/2006 12:34 PM |
| I've been seeing discussions on all those pieces you mentioned. Maybe dig a few pages into the forum, because some discussions are a week old or more. The stormlizard, for one, is a piece for which we've known the stats since gencon. For most folks, though, the pieces are fresh enough that we haven't had many (if any) opportunities to try them out in constructed. That limits the discussion to mostly thought experiments. Plus, a lot of folks are still stuck on "fun" ideas. How about Storm, Dragon Totem Hero and two Bluespawn Stormlizards? 
Storm, I think, is good enough to stand on her own without an exhaustive search for "synergies". I wouldn't focus my efforts on making use of her commander effect. Instead, I'd build around her with the best pieces available to CG. Only look synergy if there's a tough decision between two pieces that could fill similar roles in the band. For example, I'd probably want to use Half-ogre Barbarians rather than Goliath Barbarians with her. I might not use either of those, though, and stick to an old stand-by, the Frenzied Berserker. Yes, she's already fearless, but so what? She still rocks, and Storm can make her fly and/or heal her.
The Dragonmark Heir of Deneith I expect to see emerge as a tier-1 piece.
The Lord of Blades is probably too expensive, but you never know. The spells are certainly interesting.
I don't think it's time for the Red Hand War Sorcerer. Protected by a Dragonmark Heir, he has a bit of staying power, which he absolutely needs--his commander effect makes him better when chucking spells at close range. And a variety of energy damage (and a couple spells that can actually hurt a Helmed Horror) is nice, but without countersong, he's not cost-effective against Couatl bands who aren't going away any time soon.
I'm not sure about the Maug. He won't damage Gith Monks much better than they can damage him.
The Hammerer will probably see play, and may do well, because of the War Weaver.
I also have my eye on the Elf Dragonkith. His damage potential is awesome for an LG piece (though he could also play in CG with Storm), even against other good bands. Mighty attack is much better than smite.
Of course, there's been a lot of discussion of the Elf Warmage and the Gnome Trickster. As with all spellcasters, their effectiveness in constructed is hard to determine without experimentation.
The Shadowdancer also has gotten a lot of attention because of her maneuverability and survivability. Even with sneak attack, I'm not sure she does enough damage to make a significant difference in the metagame.
The Acheron Goblin is pretty darn impressive--look for Snig the Axe bands to pop up again.
I wonder if the Fire Giant Forgepriest might be a viable titan with a Dragonmark Heir.
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tahjn
Sneak
142 Posts
| | 11/07/2006 12:41 PM |
| I think Epic is going to be the place where most of the pieces end up being played competetively. Just a few pieces of note and possible synergies with old pieces.
Orc Wizard- Combine him with the Epic Balor and you have a chance to score an auto kill on an 18,19,20.
Howler- Again combined with a Balor, lower the saves as much as possible(remember the Howler's quills STACK) and then Enslave with the Balor.
Kolyarut- Another Save lowering machine, combined with the Solar's slaying arrow could be very nasty to make sure one piece dies instantly
Storm Silverhand- her warband building helps the most when her normal version is run with Epic Elminster. She can bring in perhaps the best mage in the set to run with Elm, the Elf Warmage. She also brings in the regular Warmage. | |
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 11/07/2006 1:14 PM |
| Posted By tahjn on 11/07/2006 12:41 PM
Orc Wizard- Combine him with the Epic Balor and you have a chance to score an auto kill on an 18,19,20.
Epic Balor has Almighty, so no spells from allies. Epic Vlaakith, however, doesn't have Almighty, does have Vorpal, and has a nasty array of her own spells.
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 11/07/2006 2:01 PM |
| for me,these are the competitive pieces in blood wars (not in order):
1-acheron goblin
2-dragonmark heir of deneith (possible tier 1)
3-fire giant forge priest
4-elf warmage
5-gnome trickster (combo with living flaming sphere).
6-greenspawn sneak
7-marilith (combo with orc wizard)
8-shadowdancer
Maybe I,m wrong (because I,m european and I do not have the set yet) but I think the other pieces will not see competitive play | |
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Nate_666
Sergeant
801 Posts
Midwest
| | 11/07/2006 2:07 PM |
| Im going to try a build using Epic Vlaakith at my next tourney, ill tell you guys how it turns out, she seems a very promising creature in epic.
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Kai
Skirmisher
45 Posts
| | 11/07/2006 2:30 PM |
| | Im pretty sure it doesn't but I'd just like to check, the kolyrut enervation ray can only be used once on any particular creature, correct? | |
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Nate_666
Sergeant
801 Posts
Midwest
| | 11/07/2006 2:44 PM |
| It can be used more than one time on a creature, but the effect won't stack and only has the effect as if it was used once.
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MightyEinherjar
Sergeant
387 Posts
| | 11/07/2006 4:05 PM |
| | Does DoubtofBudda no longer post here? He normally had great write-ups after each set would come out, and I somewhat miss reading them. | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 11/07/2006 4:08 PM |
| | I don't think I've heard from him in a while. I wonder if he was another casualty of the migration. I'll be you'd see him at hordelings. | |
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
960 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 11/07/2006 4:24 PM |
| For 200mpoints format i think on this for possible tier-1:
Dragonmark heir of deneith
Gnome trickster
Elf warmage
Maug
Acheron goblin
Shadowdancer
Fire giant forge priest
Greenspawn sneak
Thundertusk Cavalry
Hero of Valhalla
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 11/07/2006 4:52 PM |
| Posted By MightyEinherjar on 11/07/2006 4:05 PM
Does DoubtofBudda no longer post here? He normally had great write-ups after each set would come out, and I somewhat miss reading them.
Doubt resides on Hordelings these days. He's also from what I've herd spending a little more time in Dreamblade.Â
For those that don't spend (much) time on Hordelings, we miss the Doubt and his literary ponderings.Â Â
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 11/07/2006 5:07 PM |
| I'm really excited about and want to try in constructed the following:
In LG:
04 R Elf Dragonkith (An elf with sword and ornate armor) - potential hitter for LG & CG (Fearless)
09 R Kolyarut - a really like this piece, bnut what to put with it?
12 R Thundertusk Cavalry - crying out loud for a dwarf warband, love the pushback
In CG:
13 R Air Genasi Swashbuckler - interesting hitter potential
14 R Bralani Eladrin - interesting hitter potential
17 U Gnome Trickster - iIvisibility Sphere, need we say more
22 U Shadowdancer - looks interesting, combine with ??? (Archmage, Storm, tbd)
23 R Storm Silverhand - the answers to prayers for CG (good cmmdr, good cfx, reasonable cost)
LG/LE:
25 U Dragonmark Heir of Deneith - combine with FGFP in LE, try in LG
26 U Maug - nice hitter & Fearless
In LE:
31 R Fire Giant Forgepriest - a WOW  for me as a LE player
32 C Greenspawn Sneak - LE Scout
33 R Hellcat - looks interesting in right warband, needs testing
34 R Horned Devil - see Hellcat, may be better in Epic
42 R Pit Fiend - looks interesting, but maybe too few HP
43 U Red Hand War Sorcerer - very intereting commander with useful spells (+Dragonmark)
In CE:
51 R Githyanki Dragon Knight - nice, maybe useful in Epic too
55 R Marilith - just serious ouch, but is there anything to team with her?
56 U Orc Wizard - is he worth adding in place of a CE hitter
60 R Vlaakith the Lich Queen - me wanna try this one out (take out of garage, take for a spin)
Well, that's my off the top of my head thoughts on what I'm looking to try from this set.Â
Cheers.
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Christaav
Skirmisher
13 Posts
| | 11/08/2006 7:30 AM |
| Vlaakith is solid. I won a sealed against a superior pack with a great first turn init roll and a well placed fireball. I won the game in a matter of seconds. Then the Disintegrate helped weaken the Gith on RD that my opp had, then the Emp LOoElect finished it off (even after making the morale save).
When one piece takes out eight other before dying it is a damn-solid piece.
I was thinking:
1 Vlaakith (79 pt)
3 Zombie White Dragons (111)
1 Abyssal Maw (5pt)
1 Timber Wolf (5 pt)
Vlaakith can spell any longterm threats to death. I would play on an open map like Field of Ruin in order to maximize spell effects like fireball. With over half of the half of the Wb fearless...
Vlaakith kills the major threat or one of the major threats while the ZWDs team up against anything else. If you can fly over and assassinate their commander with one of them, the better.
If anyone has any better and/or cheaper (:p) ideas, they would be much appreciated. | | | |
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troll4death
Sneak
99 Posts
Whitewater, Wisconsin
| | 11/08/2006 5:44 PM |
| I like the forgepriest if used correctly
Fire Giant Forgepriest 84pts
Duergar Champion 33pts
Dragonmark Heir 34pts
Urthok the Vicious 34pts
Greenspawn Sneak 6pts
Goblins 3pts x3
Total of 8 activations and 200pts
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2045 Posts
Portland OR
| | 11/08/2006 6:59 PM |
| Posted By Christaav on 11/08/2006 7:30 AM
Vlaakith is solid. I won a sealed against a superior pack with a great first turn init roll and a well placed fireball. I won the game in a matter of seconds. Then the Disintegrate helped weaken the Gith on RD that my opp had, then the Emp LOoElect finished it off (even after making the morale save).
When one piece takes out eight other before dying it is a damn-solid piece.
I was thinking:
1 Vlaakith (79 pt)
3 Zombie White Dragons (111)
1 Abyssal Maw (5pt)
1 Timber Wolf (5 pt)
Vlaakith can spell any longterm threats to death. I would play on an open map like Field of Ruin in order to maximize spell effects like fireball. With over half of the half of the Wb fearless...
Vlaakith kills the major threat or one of the major threats while the ZWDs team up against anything else. If you can fly over and assassinate their commander with one of them, the better.
If anyone has any better and/or cheaper (:p) ideas, they would be much appreciated. 3 zombie whites!!! you've lost your damn mind... slow att kills these guys unfortunately... go with the standard CE beaters...
vlaakith
Orc champ
firebelcher
wardrummer
176... fill out activations is a must must must... the wardrummer is a pre-requisite for moral unfortunatly... he also adds in beloved counter song vs coutals and makes that disitigrate spell a lot harder to pass... which is a good thing... undead would be nice to fill this out due to the commander effect your paying for but not getting usage of... I really wish they had a good 35pt undead beater in CE... without slow att the zombie white might have made the cut due to sheer hp... too too bad...
hopefully the skeltal coursair (which i think is skelt on dead horse back) hinted at will help out Vlaakith... she is one of those pieces that will see play now due to power but will really shine when she gets the right back up... more undead please... and another gith or three wouldn't hurt either...
but not to hyjack the thread...
LG: Kolyrut!!! Maug!!! Dragon Kith!!! Warmage!!!
CG: Storm!!! ShadowDancer!!! warmage!!! Valenar Charger!!! Trixter!!!
LE: Maug!!! FireGiant!!! Mezzoloth!!! Hellcat??? LOB??? Horned Devil??? Ice Devil??? Pit Fiend???
CE: Vlaakith??? Githyanki Dragon Knight??? Marilith (insert no question marks here)
Sleeper: Living Flaming Sphere...soulknife infiltrator...
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troll4death
Sneak
99 Posts
Whitewater, Wisconsin
| | 11/08/2006 7:17 PM |
| I really wish they had a good 35pt undead beater in CE... Next set I am sure we will see some. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2045 Posts
Portland OR
| | 11/08/2006 7:21 PM |
| I'd prefer them to be NE myself... or at least LE getting some love too (warband building!!!)... and a new mummy please please please... and give the mummy back their power!!! the damaged reduced by half thing in 3.0 made them wonderful!!! the lwast they could do was give him reinforced... and let us not forget the mummified minotaur of legend!!!
Vlaakith would love him!!! Ohh gith mummy!!! even better!!! vampire red dragon (too many reds right now though)!!! all kinds of fun to be had... | |
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Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 11/09/2006 4:36 PM |
| Posted By Lord_rock on 11/08/2006 7:21 PM
I'd prefer them to be NE myself... or at least LE getting some love too (warband building!!!)... and a new mummy please please please... and give the mummy back their power!!! the damaged reduced by half thing in 3.0 made them wonderful!!! the lwast they could do was give him reinforced... and let us not forget the mummified minotaur of legend!!!
Vlaakith would love him!!! Ohh gith mummy!!! even better!!! vampire red dragon (too many reds right now though)!!! all kinds of fun to be had...
Can anyone say Large Dracolich?Â
Seriously, a 30-40 point undead beater would be real nice to go with Vlaakith. Or some useful Githyanki fighter types.Â
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Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss
1085 Posts
Southeast PA
| | 11/10/2006 8:18 AM |
| The Red Hand War Sorcerer is awesome! I've teamed him up with four LE beaters and have gotten a lot of use out of his spells. I haven't faced a Couatl yet but it seems most people are playing CG and LE now in their tests. The Dragonmark can cast prot but that's just on one piece. The rest of the band is still susceptible to the lightning bolts. With four beaters surrounding the RHWS his life has not be threatened in any match so far. Here is the band I've been using:
Maug x2
Duergar Champion
Efreeti
Red Hand War Sorcerer
Goblin Skirmisher x3
Outpost
I may consider dropping to 7 acts and using a greenspawn sneak instead of two skirmishers. The large base fearless Maugs block really well so the RHWS can move right up behind them. Plus, it is much easier to target a LB when you can choose your own piece's corners. This helps a lot if the enemy is invisble and you can't target him. Just target your own guy instead and it still hits them.
I also may consider a Hellcat in place of a Maug just for a little more diversity. | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 11/10/2006 8:31 AM |
| Posted By Chad the DragonLordofAiur on 11/10/2006 8:18 AM
The Red Hand War Sorcerer is awesome! I've teamed him up with four LE beaters and have gotten a lot of use out of his spells. I haven't faced a Couatl yet but it seems most people are playing CG and LE now in their tests. The Dragonmark can cast prot but that's just on one piece. The rest of the band is still susceptible to the lightning bolts. With four beaters surrounding the RHWS his life has not be threatened in any match so far. Here is the band I've been using:
Maug x2
Duergar Champion
Efreeti
Red Hand War Sorcerer
Goblin Skirmisher x3
Outpost
I may consider dropping to 7 acts and using a greenspawn sneak instead of two skirmishers. The large base fearless Maugs block really well so the RHWS can move right up behind them. Plus, it is much easier to target a LB when you can choose your own piece's corners. This helps a lot if the enemy is invisble and you can't target him. Just target your own guy instead and it still hits them.
I also may consider a Hellcat in place of a Maug just for a little more diversity. Great Warband, I think that your idea have good potencial, but you need to consider to put Magic damage unit or Dark Moon Monk for 2 reasons: Maug dont have good Attack bonus and dont have Magic damage, Efretty only surffer of no Magic Damage. I think that Maug Works much better with commander that increase the Attack bonus, Like Urthok, HO Figther, Orog Warlord and others. Red Hand War Sorcere works very ..........very good with Duergar Campions .
"The Red Hammer":
RHWS 34pts
Large Duergar 15pts
Efreety 42pts
3x Duergar Champions 99pts
2x Timber Wolfs
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Ethandrul
Warrior
301 Posts
| | 11/10/2006 1:22 PM |
| | so, did anyone else realize that the forge priest can give cadaver collector and epic iron golem magic weapon? | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 11/10/2006 1:27 PM |
| Posted By Ethandrul on 11/10/2006 1:22 PM
so, did anyone else realize that the forge priest can give cadaver collector and epic iron golem magic weapon?
Yes indeed......... My Shuluth's Childrens will crush bahamut......
EPIC Shuluth 208pts
Cadaver Collector 103pts
Iron Golem 61pts
ForgePriest Giant 84pts
Dragon Mark 34pts
3x Fodders 3pts
But I need to get The giant first.......
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Ethandrul
Warrior
301 Posts
| | 11/10/2006 1:36 PM |
| | LOL- that is exactly the band i just built! | |
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djtool
Sergeant
584 Posts
Crystal MN, USA
| | 11/10/2006 1:55 PM |
| the red hand sorc is a great piece that fits perfectly in LE. My
take on him (besides the obvious damage potential) is as an activation
control piece. LE is superior in activation control and that
mantra is strengthened by a sight ranged 10 damage AoE to take out
fodder pieces (ideally 2+).
bluespawn is a wildy techy piece (typical LE but on overdrive!) but the
level of 6 has me only seeing the blackguard on foot or horsey for a
commander.
archeron is a tight fodder piece. Props to WoTC for keeping fodder pieces interesting and useful with 8 activations.
maug is a great piece just because of his point cost. there's a
12 point gap inbetween the champ and the helmed horror (perhaps 2 of
the most efficient beaters in the faction) and this gives another
inbetween option that provides more blocking potential then the other
two.
this is a great set...for all factions.
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2045 Posts
Portland OR
| | 11/10/2006 7:47 PM |
| If redhand were only commander 4!!! LE should have some of the best commanders out there (+4 or better all the time) but somehow don't... and the various +X to att under X circumstance are really hindering multi commander goodness or at least general utility since LE beaters average +14 these days (Hell the new acheron gobo at 7pts can hit at +15 for 15 under conditions that are very feasable!!!)...
I like him alot with Duergars but moral at +13 is too sketchy (see orc champ)... I like him with dual maug though!!!
So so close... much like the cleric of Nerul... if they changed Lvl 3 to 30 or 35 hps for the fear spell she would see play... damn them for not errating good figs!!! | |
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Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss
1085 Posts
Southeast PA
| | 11/10/2006 8:28 PM |
| See that's why I built the band the way I did. The Maugs are fearless so it doesn't matter what level my commander is. The Maugs don't have to do magic damage if my other two beaters do and besides dropping from 20 to 15 isn't too bad. I think the band is pretty solid as is. There are really just a few minor things I don't like about it:
Invisibility is more prevalent and I have no blindsight
Three large bases are hard to maneuver on some maps
I have no fast tile grabber
All the beaters are just speed 6
I have considered using a Zak Rak in place of a Maug and then upgrading the fodder to include a greenspawn sneak and a timber wolf. But then you give up blocking ability and make the level 3 commander more of a liability as the Zak Rak is just level 7 and will fail morale a lot.
I have also considered including a HellCat for the Blindsight. It could work pretty well as blocker too since it has conceal 11. | |
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jeremiahcarissa
Warrior
246 Posts
| | 11/11/2006 9:47 PM |
| | No I would have to say the firebelcher goes well with the lich queen and she is just a true beater herslf. The ability to hit with a 60 damage spell is just insane. Combined with the auto damage from the firebelchers!!!! Wow this might just be worth looking at. | |
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