evildani
Sneak
111 Posts
    
 | | 11/20/2006 8:52 AM |
| Does any one has any idea for a competitive warband including the howler,
I was thinkg something like:
Warduke
Howler
Cursed Spirt x 2
Troglodite
Wardrummer.
The idea is making everyone fail moral and the confusion of the howler.
Daniel
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 11/20/2006 8:58 AM |
| | Warduke only has one use of Intimidate. Your band will take loads of damage before he has a chance to use it on an opponent worth targeting. I'd say too much gimmick, not enough beats. | | | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 11/20/2006 1:19 PM |
| What about this:
Tiefling Blade Master 27pts (Hope +2 Attack for Howler)
Orc Wardrummer 19pts (Duhhh) 
Orc Champion 39pts
Red Sam 40pts
Howler 46pts
2x Cursed Spirit 22pts
Troglodyte 7pts
200pts - 8 Activation
Just for your Minis Evildani.... you have thats ones ....
Ok when you begin try to hit an Core enemie unit with howler to decrease enemy save, after that you shot confusion blast with curseds and trog .......
Final DC 21 to enemy hitted by howler and 20 for a lot of minis ....... add trog Stench that can grow up DC to 23 and 22 ...............
Are you confused????
Maybe you understand well 
See ya "Devil Dani"
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 11/20/2006 2:23 PM |
| | howler looks like the typical useless rare piece in this expansion. | |
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warty_nosed_goblin
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 11/20/2006 2:52 PM |
| Unfortunately, it seems that iluvxtina is right here (its not unfortunate that iluvxtina is right, but that the howler is, at the moment useless)
at least it looks better then the phoelarch though... | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 11/20/2006 5:50 PM |
| Poor Howler an "street dog" that WoTC hates..... of the same way that other minis........ especialy LE or CE ........ some times CG ......
Howler is only fun piece...... Only fun.......
Any comment for FUN warband that I write before? | |
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Kyuketsuki
Warrior
183 Posts
| | 11/20/2006 8:09 PM |
| | Just one word: Nop | |
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 11/20/2006 8:13 PM |
| It's such a good mini that I didn't use it when I pulled it at the prerelease. I felt that the Bluespawn Stormlizard was a better use of the points.
It's an incredibly cool looking mini though - Good for D+D. | |
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WakeXX
Warlord
10152 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 11/21/2006 3:47 AM |
| | I can't really see any uses for the howler at this time. | | | |
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Chairman7w
Sergeant
484 Posts
| | 11/21/2006 8:26 AM |
| I hate that WOTC does this.
Why not just cost him correctly (8 or 10 pts less?) and he's a viable skirmish fig.
They don't gain anything by overcosting pieces, and surely they must playtest them, or even be able to glance at the stats and see it's not viable.
What am I missing here? | |
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 11/21/2006 9:10 AM |
| I've got a theory...
...it could be bunnies...
Sorry, Buffy moment. My theory is that DDM is WotC's red-headed stepchild, and most pieces don't get more than cursory playtesting. What do the developers do in their spare time? Play DDM? No, they play RPG, using the minis as 3D representations of monsters, which was their original use. DDM is not and has never been more than an afterthought.
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 11/21/2006 6:40 PM |
| @ Orion, Yes this can be true.......... sounds interesting. This Units is designed to be used in RPG play.
What About Owlbear Enraged??? The same thing??? I think that this unit can be used with greenfang druid to make big agresive rend of 60 damages. | |
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Zyla
Underboss
1201 Posts
| | 11/21/2006 8:20 PM |
| | I think alot of the time its cost higher so it wont have a chance to be "broken" or undercosted in a combination the designers havent thought of, unfortunatly thats what makes a figure tournament viable. | |
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delguidance
Sergeant
394 Posts
| | 11/21/2006 9:10 PM |
| Ryoga,
I'm always a big fan of seeing the Orc Champ around. I'd play that band for fun.
Go CE! | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 11/22/2006 2:08 AM |
| | I suppose the Howler could make decent "tech" in epic, but in 200p its way overcosted. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 11/22/2006 3:33 AM |
| Posted By iluvxtina on 11/20/2006 2:23 PM
howler looks like the typical useless rare piece in this expansion.
I'll second what iluvxtina said, something like that.Â
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 11/22/2006 1:30 PM |
| Posted By delguidance on 11/21/2006 9:10 PM
Ryoga,
I'm always a big fan of seeing the Orc Champ around. I'd play that band for fun.
Go CE!
Thanks Delguidance, I will use this warband only for fun....... I like to see an Ao kord Hitting their friends like Crazy dog...... ........ yes Im a big fan of orc Champ.
CE Rules!!!!!! | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 11/23/2006 3:55 AM |
| Posted By iluvxtina on 11/20/2006 2:23 PM
howler looks like the typical useless rare piece in this expansion.
I do Strongly agree! every set has his one useless and howler it the one here! Maybe is more useful for RPG gaming as monster. | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 11/23/2006 5:41 AM |
| | I suppose if you are a RPG player or d.master you,ll be very happy picking up a howler because it looks like crazy cool and demonic .So for RPG is very good.and I agree with the guy who said this mini should cost 10 points less.At least you could play it | |
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Crow_Shaman
Skirmisher
31 Posts
| | 11/23/2006 7:10 AM |
| Posted By Zyla on 11/21/2006 8:20 PM
I think alot of the time its cost higher so it wont have a chance to be "broken" or undercosted in a combination the designers havent thought of, unfortunatly thats what makes a figure tournament viable.
I agree with Zyla. The "quills" ability is stackable after all, and if you get snakes swiftness on him, in a couple of rounds with all of the save decreasing minis out there, an enemy mini could have attack -6, save -8, AC -2 and moral save -12! (Using a wardrummer, trog thug, and cursed spirit which are all great minis.) | |
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froffenhoffer
Sergeant
702 Posts
| | 11/23/2006 11:27 AM |
| | I hate this. Everyone says howler sucks, and in my 2 bw boosters as a skirmisher I opened him and hellcat..DOH | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 11/24/2006 3:19 AM |
| We'll at least the Hellcat isnt all that bad.  | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
13081 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 11/24/2006 4:16 AM |
| Posted By warty_nosed_goblin on 11/20/2006 2:52 PM
at least it looks better then the phoelarch though...
Not many rares are worse than the Phoelarch.
Howler has puh-lenty of RPG uses though.
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 11/24/2006 4:16 PM |
| Posted By froffenhoffer on 11/23/2006 11:27 AM
I hate this. Everyone says howler sucks, and in my 2 bw boosters as a skirmisher I opened him and hellcat..DOH
That's nothing. My first two packs of Deathknell were TWO Ambush Drakes (it was a long time ago and it still hurts).
At least you can use the Hellcat and Howler for D+D, or trade to a RPGer for something more useful. | |
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 11/24/2006 10:32 PM |
| | Yeah, unlimited empowered schorching ray on a mini that costs 40 is really good..... wait a minute. Phoelarch costs 60. Nevermind. | |
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Azalin
Sneak
76 Posts
| | 11/25/2006 8:32 AM |
| oh wow 20 points is quite a difference between "really good" and "one of the worst rares" isn't it???.
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froffenhoffer
Sergeant
702 Posts
| | 11/25/2006 9:52 AM |
| | Yes it is..imagine and HH for 25 points.. | |
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Azalin
Sneak
76 Posts
| | 11/25/2006 3:14 PM |
| you miss the point...it takes alot more than 20 points to go from really good to one of the worst skirmish figs ever. For example if couatl was 62 points he wouldn't be "one of the worst skirmish figs ever", he merely wouldn't be as incredibly good as he is at 42 points.
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froffenhoffer
Sergeant
702 Posts
| | 11/25/2006 3:35 PM |
| | I dunno.... so he wouldnt be awful but he wouldnt be played.. | |
Champion of Wildshaped druid in with natural spell!
Thus said froffenhoffer
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 11/25/2006 3:51 PM |
| Posted By Azalin on 11/25/2006 3:14 PM
you miss the point...it takes alot more than 20 points to go from really good to one of the worst skirmish figs ever. For example if couatl was 62 points he wouldn't be "one of the worst skirmish ever", he merely wouldn't be as incredibly good as he is at 42 points.
Actually it takes a lot less than 20 points to go from incredibly good to unplayable.
I never said that Phoelarch is one of the worst skirmish mini's ever - after all there are plenty of overcosted mini's that are unplayable. Deciding which ones are the worst is totally subjective.
My point is that at 60Â points the Phoelarch is unplayable. | |
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